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sticktodrum said:
So, if they did a Moose, would it not be better suited to the 66 instead of 35?
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I can't speak to the 35 actually, because I haven't had one. But I have had several 66 moose knives, ground the spearpoint blade down to a sheepsfoot. Both were perfect pocket knives. Stout, yet good cutters. Solid as the moose in that picture. Elegant and regal looking at the same time. Great size in the hand and in the pocket. Perfect pocket knives.
 
Furthermore, it could be a 54. There was a 54 moose SFO I believe with this last run, but only for one dealer. So, this could be a standard run. AND, IT COULD BE A STAINLESS RUN... Which would be just swell (not swell center, though).
 
Buzzbait said:
I think I'd prefer an equal end. And doing it on the 35 gets us one step closer to having a #35 scout.
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I think that I would like it on the 35 frame more as well, 35 is just such a nice size. The 35 is a single sprung frame though, would this work for a Moose? If so I would absolutely love a #35 moose, with a single spring and 2 large blades, a clip and spear preferred, it would make a slim and elegant moose.


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My opinion only, but I think the #35 or #54 would be better suited for birch scales than the #66. Although I personally am a much bigger fan of the #66 than either of the other options.

traumkommode traumkommode - I love the idea of changing the spear point to a sheepsfoot on the 66. It probably shouldn't be called a moose, but if it's a great knife I don't care if it's called a moose, goose, caboose, or dropped deuce.
 
nyrico said:
I think that I would like it on the 35 frame more as well, 35 is just such a nice size. The 35 is a single sprung frame though, would this work for a Moose?
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Sabercat said:
traumkommode traumkommode - I love the idea of changing the spear point to a sheepsfoot on the 66. It probably shouldn't be called a moose, but if it's a great knife I don't care if it's called a moose, goose, caboose, or dropped deuce.
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*Any frame (maybe there is an exception of which I am unaware?) can be built with more or less springs. The Drover is a single spring pattern built on the 35 frame. That new Farm and Field knife is a dual spring pattern on the 35 frame. Moose knives are dual spring patterns.

And you're right, too - Moose knives are patterns with equal end opposing clip point and spearpoint mains. Maybe technically the clip point is a main and the sp3ar a secondary, but the spear is full size. So my mod made it "not a moose" or a "modified moose". I would probably opt for a single spring over a moose, because my favorite combo is opposing clip main/sheepsfoot or coping secondary, but if they run a stainless moose then I'll have fun doing the mod.
 
nyrico said:
I think that I would like it on the 35 frame more as well, 35 is just such a nice size. The 35 is a single sprung frame though, would this work for a Moose? If so I would absolutely love a #35 moose, with a single spring and 2 large blades, a clip and spear preferred, it would make a slim and elegant moose.


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The only way that I know to get two main blades on a single spring in the 35 pattern would require an extra thick backspring then incorporating a catch bit on both sides to offset a thinner blade stock so that they can pass one another. I don't see GEC doing this so two main blades work off the same-single spring. Most GEC single springs with two blades have one main blade with blade blank thickness equal to the backspring thickness. The main blade is then offset ground (blade centerline is offset from the centerline of the blade blank) to allow for a little room for a shorter length secondary to pass by. Due to tight clearance on this style of knife, the secondary is of a thinner blade stock and a catch it is used. Even using these methods, they can barely fit a secondary that is about half the blade well length I to the frame. It is tight in there an you can expect blade rub. The mal. Blade often requires well thoughtout and executed swedges so that the two blades can pass one another. Two main blades on a single (the backspring would be so wide it may look odd and it would be easier to just build a linerless two spring like they did on the 54 three spring whittler, that aren't really whittlers. I am glad to see a cope/sheepsfoot being used on the Churchill. The 53TK Cubans had a clip main and pen secondary which are too redundant for my preference. That being said, the TK is one of my top favorite configurations of any GEC made. The Churchill may just slide up there as well.
 
traumkommode said:
*Any frame (maybe there is an exception of which I am unaware?) can be built with more or less springs. The Drover is a single spring pattern built on the 35 frame. That new Farm and Field knife is a dual spring pattern on the 35 frame. Moose knives are dual spring patterns.

And you're right, too - Moose knives are patterns with equal end opposing clip point and spearpoint mains. Maybe technically the clip point is a main and the sp3ar a secondary, but the spear is full size. So my mod made it "not a moose" or a "modified moose". I would probably opt for a single spring over a moose, because my favorite combo is opposing clip main/sheepsfoot or coping secondary, but if they run a stainless moose then I'll have fun doing the mod.
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There was also a 53 furtaker moose which had two main blades. One clip and one wharncliffe. I believe they ran a Turkish clip with the wharney on the same side so, furtaker trapper and then a normal clip with the wharney opposed and it was the furtaker moose. GEC calls it what they want and who am I to argue, they are unique and pretty cool and no one else it producing these unique blade selections and patterns at production facilities.
 
Rockon75 said:
The Churchill may just slide up there as well.
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Rockon75 said:
There was also a 53 furtaker moose which had two main blades. One clip and one wharncliffe. I believe they ran a Turkish clip with the wharney on the same side so, furtaker trapper and then a normal clip with the wharney opposed and it was the furtaker moose. GEC calls it what they want and who am I to argue, they are unique and pretty cool and no one else it producing these unique blade selections and patterns at production facilities.
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Is that Churchill going to be a single spring? I haven't paid it much mind yet, but if it is, it might be one of my favorites, too. That's my favorite blade combo, and a single spring is oh so nice in the pocket. That frame length is about perfect for my hand, even though I've carried more of the 3.5" knives.

The 53s have cam tangs, don't they? I reckon' I like me some cam tangs. I just did a google search, and the 53 Furtaker had the blade combo you described with the turkish clip. Some places call it a Furtaker Moose, others call it a Furtaker Muskrat. BUT, there was also just a 53 Tidioute Moose that had the full height clip and a wharncliffe, which was mighty fine lookin', in addition to the 54 Moose. And I think the only differences would have been half stops and cam tangs.
 
54 moose from the run a month ago or so...

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Rockon, both of the #53 Furtakers (Trapper and Muskrat) used the muskrat clip with a full length Wharncliffe.
 
Rockon75 said:
The only way that I know to get two main blades on a single spring in the 35 pattern would require an extra thick backspring then incorporating a catch bit on both sides to offset a thinner blade stock so that they can pass one another. I don't see GEC doing this so two main blades work off the same-single spring. Most GEC single springs with two blades have one main blade with blade blank thickness equal to the backspring thickness. The main blade is then offset ground (blade centerline is offset from the centerline of the blade blank) to allow for a little room for a shorter length secondary to pass by. Due to tight clearance on this style of knife, the secondary is of a thinner blade stock and a catch it is used. Even using these methods, they can barely fit a secondary that is about half the blade well length I to the frame. It is tight in there an you can expect blade rub. The mal. Blade often requires well thoughtout and executed swedges so that the two blades can pass one another. Two main blades on a single (the backspring would be so wide it may look odd and it would be easier to just build a linerless two spring like they did on the 54 three spring whittler, that aren't really whittlers. I am glad to see a cope/sheepsfoot being used on the Churchill. The 53TK Cubans had a clip main and pen secondary which are too redundant for my preference. That being said, the TK is one of my top favorite configurations of any GEC made. The Churchill may just slide up there as well.
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Never considered the difference between 2 full sized blades vs a main and smaller secondary. Having never held a TK Cuban it is a model that I would love to get my hands on, I particularly liked the Mustard Jigged Bone Tidioute. I have a Northwoods Presedential, is it the same as the TK Cuban but in Northwoods trim? I do see what you mean about the redundant secondary, but, still love the knife.
 
black mamba said:
Rockon, both of the #53 Furtakers (Trapper and Muskrat) used the muskrat clip with a full length Wharncliffe.
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I have two, I believe called furtaker moose. Regular clip opposite a wharney. Not on GECs "collect by pattern" pages. They have the clip blade like was found on the cattle knives ran in 2010, but with a full length wharney on the other side.
Like the one attached here.
 

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The presidential is a different take on the TK. Enough so, that I think it is significant enough to stand alone.
They both are 53's, i.e. no half stops. They both are single spring two blade knives.
The presidential has a spear main with a more appropriate cope secondary.
The TK is a clip main spear secondary.
The presidential has chamfered bolsters. The TK has rounded.
 
Rockon75 said:
I have two, I believe called furtaker moose. Regular clip opposite a wharney. They have the clip blade like was found on the cattle knives ran in 2010, but with a full length wharney on the other side.
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The Furtakers were from 2009 and 2010, with muskrat clip mains. The one you show in cinnamon swirl acrylic was from 2012, and was just called a Moose, no Furtaker involved in the name. Here's the link to GEC's page showing the release.

http://greateasterncutlery.net/blog/pocket-knives/2012-new-releases/?bwbps_page_246=11
 
nyrico said:
Never considered the difference between 2 full sized blades vs a main and smaller secondary. Having never held a TK Cuban it is a model that I would love to get my hands on, I particularly liked the Mustard Jigged Bone Tidioute. I have a Northwoods Presedential, is it the same as the TK Cuban but in Northwoods trim? I do see what you mean about the redundant secondary, but, still love the knife.
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I have a well used TK that I'll send for you to pocket carry for a week if you want to check it out. Not for sale, but I'd be happy to let you check it out and see if you like the pattern. Take it to PM if you'd like me to send it to you for a test drive.
 
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