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Discussion in 'Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades' started by rockgolfer, Jun 23, 2013.
More patterns... in fewer materials... in larger numbers...
Personally I like variety. I don't want to see 3000 of the same knife with same handles. I'd rather there be 10 different handle options with 300 of each. But as a factory owner with an assembly line, I can see how that is not ideal.
I'd like same # of patterns, MORE materials and less numbers is fine. It seems you can usually get a non SFO without pre ordering so long as you dont wait a month to order.
I liked the SFOs, but if this means more variety and more patterns per year then I am for it. I just hope they incorporate some of the less common shield we've seen in them. Now we need to convince them to ditch the blade etchings and we have a perfect, quality built pocket knife on our hands.
Having thought about it for a while, I think I will be content to save, literally, thousands of dollars per year.
I needed to slow down anyway, it's hard to keep all that carbon steel oiled.
I personally would like to see some more patterns coming down the line. But, will miss the surprise SFO & Northwoods offerings
I was hoping the Piasa bird etch would become a big thing in the world.
So many creative knifes the past SFO’s offered, this is how it must have felt that mournful day when Smith & Wesson decided “we don’t need 5 screws to hold our revolvers together, let’s just use 4 screws”
Michigan would be tricky
I hope the #33's are not a hint at another change - just two variations per pattern. More patterns - a fraction of the options.....
My first GEC was a TC Barlow. The last 7 years I’ve followed GEC pretty closely, and many of the knives I’ve most enjoyed have been SFOs. I’m not naive enough to comment on this as a business decision, as I know very well that these unprecedented times put unprecedented pressures on small businesses that call for unprecedented decisions, but as a user, collector, and general fan of GEC and their knives I have to say I’m shocked and saddened by this decision.
I plan to do my best not to react till we have more info. If nothing else, it will be extremely interesting to see how this changes how people enjoy and interact with GEC in the future.
As confirmed by Mike, it does. No non in house branded knives.
I just talked to Joan Mae, and she said at least for the time being. Not clear if that more indicates temporary or permanent.
Yep. An old brand reinvigorated by GEC.....
I hope those complications are temporary and allow for this to be a temporary decision. I very much understand that for small businesses these are difficult times that require unprecedented decisions, so I’m doing my best to reserve judgement on the decision till we know more.
I sure don’t. @waynorth and @knifeswapper and Jay at KSF have absolutely helped propel GEC to its current popularity. This will hurt them financially on its own due to the lack of ability to have their products made, let alone if GEC uses those brands for themselves.
Northwoods is owned by KSF, but I believe TC and NF are more gentleman’s agreements. I assume Waynorth Cutlery is owned by Charlie.
It will definitely raise secondary market prices on SFO Knives.
I don’t know, but I’m not too sure those correlate negatively as clearly as you might think.
Yes. Although someone said the low variations of 33s was just because it was what they had on hand, that doesn’t seem like a full picture to me. I can’t help but think these two pieces of news might be related.
I was asking if we would like to see more SFOs or more patterns throughout the year?
Hopefully they're not in trouble financially, but.......???
I really wonder how much of this is because of the Covid shutdown, I don't know if they lost any key employees or are having difficulty with materials but I'm sure Bill has a good reason.
I cannot follow your optimism I'm afraid. But, I would not mind being wrong...
Certainly don't see any of this as a win-win situation at all, far from it. Given that the latest 33 run appears to be severely limited/truncated and that SFOs & club-knives are being discontinued, it might, might, suggest that the prolonged shutdown has caused production&financial problems. Not in itself surprising but very alarming for those running the company, on the work-floor and for us as connoisseurs of very decently made knives. Any contraction without explanation is to be viewed with disquiet, it's not win-win in my book until I see evidence of sustained, ambitious and healthy production.
I might have misattributed a meaning to your question, but my point was that I don’t think it has to be one or the other.
If the shutdown has affected them anything like it has the small business I work for, which I’d think it’d affect GEC’s supply chain more, it could absolutely be a factor. But who knows, it’s all conjecture until they give more info (if they do, which they’re under no obligation to do)
The news of no more SFOs is definetly sad news. My mayer and grosh 29 is one of my favorite knives I own. I guess now it will have to always stay a safe queen.
My wife will be happy with this news
Definitely bad news for a lot of collectors.
I'm sad, but depending on how the change is implemented it could be a good thing. I could see GEC restructuring their business and start selling directly rather than from a bunch of "shops" that really don't add any value to GEC just funnel the profits to dealers who just take orders and ship stuff. The only advantage that the consumers have from having the different shops is that those shops have SFOs which collectors love. In any case I hope GEC still makes some small batch limited edition variations to keep things interesting.