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Life after Becker.......

Exactly, I have a lot of items that could be considered overkill engineered, or gimmicky in that sense. As was said, to me it's about comfort. I don't really think Ethan designed them to be rugged as hell just to sell. I doubt that was what wasimplied, but it's the first thought that popped into my mind when I read the post. I don't buy gear that will just barely work for what I need, I buy gear that will ace any test I may give it(except math, like Barbie says math's hard).
 
well, when you get down to it, Ethan made the knives the way he wanted them, for his own use, in small handy batches :> not for you, or me, or us :D

then of course, people bought some. then he made more. they bought those. hey, he's on to something...

the BK2, being based on the MOD knife... well, the MOD... well... was not a good knife. Ethan made his own, that was betterer, and a good knife besides the size.

price is right too... and very few people have ever broken one. that's great for the warranty department... the few that WERE broken, i'd say most of them qualified as abuse (vises, throwing, hammers, rocks, rebar, modifications ;>)...

and Les? well, he probably had this in his head a long time. as Ethan points out, not many makers to get to make his knife... though since Mr Stroud *IS* a Canadian, he could have gone with some axe makers... or Grohmann knives - but they mostly seem to do ellipticals.

i can't say i liked where Camillus was towards the end, and ACME? the new ACME? well, i have no idea, so i engage my skeptical mode, but we'll see.

i'm SURE i'll end up with the large chopper, and give it a poke. last time i bought a weird looking chopper :D it became a collectible and worth MORE. should have bought more. thank you CRKT ;)
 
Skimo said:
Re: Beckers being overbuilt being a gimmick.



I don't want to muddy the waters here, but thick knives are a gimmick, chopping through appliances with a BK2.... it's a bit out there, the woods that I come from, nothing like that is needed, never in my time have I had a knife break from use (including batoning) and that is with knives that are much thinner.

I'd like to know how it is not a gimmick.

For most people at least, if it means peace of mind about having a nearly indestructible too, I'll buy that.
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There are logical reasons for a thicker blade. For myself, it translates into rigidity. Sometimes I like to have a stiffer blade instead of a thinner more flexible blade. It's not about anything silly like chopping a concrete block. I've used my BK-7 to pry apart joints for example, which is much easier to do with a stiffer blade.

I think a lot of folks these days have unrealistic expectations of their knives. It's nice to have a stout blade for the peace of mind it offers, knowing it's ready to take on just about anything, but for me I'm more into edge quality and retention of that edge, unless I'm going with a dedicated heavy duty chopper.

What's my father use in the woods? An ancient butcher knife which belonged to his father, a razor blade from a box cutter, and an old Case sodbuster.
 
panzertroop said:
This was posted by Les Stroud himself on Bushcraft USA the other day...

Hi all - I got to thinkin'....there was a press release already, but other than that there have been just a few questions here and there about me releasing a survival knife line. Firstly - yes - I have already released a BUSHCRAFT knife with the most excellent company: Helle out of Norway. The purpose was to design a high end bushcraft knife that is a one of a kind knife made by hand by the fantastic people at Helle. No two knives in this line are alike. I have even been able to visit the plant myself and sit at some of the machines hand crafting out my own blade. - In fact someone will unknowingly get one of these knives and it will be the one I worked on myself!!! I am very proud of these knives and very proud of working with Helle on them. Now. That said - Helle and I were not interested in developing a knife line together that was more specific to survival - including some survival attachments. That is where Camillus comes in. I had turned down a number of knife companies who had courted me (including one specific line of knives you could probably guess at - they went with someone else) simply because they would not adhere to my strict quality policy: "If I am going to design a survival knife for you to put in your hands - then it better be quality enough to put in my own". They were all more interested in profit and celebrity. Camillus is fully committed to working with my own designs to develop a line of survival knives you can trust with your life. So if you want that one of a kind bushcrafting knife then please enjoy what I personally designed with Helle....and if you want to outfit yourself with a survival knife designed personally by me and tested by me - then you will see the prototype we will unveil in Vegas at the Shot show in January - I think I will be there at the show on the 18th. ....Camillus had no issues with the fact that I designed a beautiful one of a kind bushcraft knife with Helle and Helle has no issue that I am designing a fully loaded survival knife with Camillus......Listen folks - whether I became Survivorman and created a whole new genre of TV or not - I would have eventually tried to write a manual (which I did called Survive!) develop a line of survival knives and develop a survival kit. As an instructor of many years - these three initiatives were always in my heart to do. So now I am able to do so thanks to creating survival for TV - ok fine - buts what's most important to me is that whatever I put my name on - it be of the highest quality. Know this: In my opinion - the survival knife...book...kit that I put on the market will be the best there is. The price point may be a little higher than those who are cashing in on the whole 'survival thing'....but our lives are worth it. For me its not about marketing or cashing in on celebrity....its about survival. Les
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Actually, it was posted yesterday on BCUSA and it's a copy and pasta from last week off his Facebook page.
 
Becker knives are not gimmicks- they are incredibly durable working man's tools.
Having a BK2 instead of, say, a KA-BAR shorty is kinda like carrying a .45 instead of a 9mm. Both will get the job done, but the.45 will get the job done easier, faster, and it gives you more peace of mind.
I have seen too many failures of USMC F/U type knives to have the peace of mind of trusting my life to it. Beckers I feel confident in.
 
This is where I didn't want the water to get muddied. Seriously, built tools are good, fast cars are good, and having two kidneys is the bare minimum for me ;)
 
I see bk 2 over engineered like a jeep you may not use 4x4 everyday. But it is there when you need it.
 
I shamelessly stole this from another forum. ;)

H_Talon said:
well spent 6 or so hours at the shot show and this was as close
as I could get to the knives ... sorry if the pic are big :-)

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the machete is not up side down, it's made that way, the square point is sharpened.
notice the fire steels, and I was told there will be a pocket on the scabbard.
the guy said these were just mock up's and wouldn't let me touch them.

as with most of the venders at the show if you weren't there to buy they have
no time for you. the guy at the condor booth even turned his back on me .

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can't say much else since I couldn't hold them ...

Talon
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neat. great reporting for six hours :) sets new standards ;)
 
Well it says TITANIUM and it's got camo so it must be legit.......................... ;) ;)

All kidding aside the handle doesn't look that uncomfortable, but I bet it doesn't come close to a Becker :D
 
i get worried when i see knives sold like action figures in bubble packaging screaming "super wicked awesome survival kewl"
 
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