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daizee said:
would this not be legal if the re-sale were through an FFL?
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going through an FFL is legal -- he was talking about having his uncle buy the handgun then transfer it to him at age 18 as a "gift" without paperwork because he's too young to buy one himself.
Sad thing is, at age 18 you can possess a handgun, but you still have to be 21 to buy pistol ammo.
I even saw a store clerk ask a kid once if he was buying .22lr shells for a rifle or pistol -- if they were for a rifle, the kid could buy them, but if for a pistol he couldn't.
 
Hit it on the dot 1066vik. Now, not that this is gonna get me anywhere, but is it possible to rebarrel a pistol to accept rifle rounds? Small ones, not 223 or anything that big. (actually just wondering, not planning on doing so until I have one to modify)
 
Oxide:
it is a felony for your uncle to purchase a handgun and fill out the 4473 stating it is for him if he intends on giving/selling it to you.
it is not a felony for him to buy it and at some point in the future go through an FFL to transfer ownership to you.
it is not a felony for him to gift you a firearm that he purchased for his personal use at some point in the past - so long as the original purchase was not done with the intent of circumventing the law requiring the intended owner (i.e. you) to fill out the form 4473.

as to your other question:
depends on the pistol -- there are LOTS of single shot bolt or break action pistols out there chambered in rifle calibers.
There are also revolvers chambered in 45/70, 38/40, 44/40, and .30 carbine.
that said, it's a lot easier to find a carbine or rifle chambered in a pistol round.
Lever guns: .38/.357, 44spl/44 mag, .45LC, 44/40
carbines: 9, .40, .44mag, .45
bolt action: .357, .44mag
 
So much knowledge. I must learn more! Thanks for the info. And the laws... I guess I really do need to wait until I turn 21 to get a handgun. Oh well. Any recommendations on a good rifle/shotgun? I would prefer large-ish caliber/gauge, mostly because so far every gun I've shot has almost 0 recoil, 20 gauge shotgun for shotgun shooting merit badge having the most recoil, which honestly wasn't much.

What are the federal restrictions on "assault rifles" as far as builds like the AR 10 and 15 are concerned?
 
if it doesn't fire more that one bullet for each pull of the trigger, it's not an "assault rifle".
shotguns and long guns - be they single shot, bolt, lever, pump, or semi-auto are legal to own as age 18, some states allow posession/ownership at 16.
there is NOTHING wrong with a 20 gauge -- I personally think it's a nearly perfect caliber for most hunting.
That said, if you want a "high power" centerfire rifle, yopu have a ton of options at just about any price point.
mil-surp bolt actions starting at $100, low end bolt actions and semi-auto carbines around $300, nicer rifles in the $5-700 range, and tacti-cool stuff going up from there.
For a general purpose hunting round, I like 30-06. .308 is perfectly fine as well, but not quite as versatile.
Stevens 200/Savage 110 family of rifles are great values -- especially used.
Marlin XR-7 is another good low cost bolt gun, as is the Howa 1500 (also known as the Weatherby Vanguard if you like paying $200 more for a name) and the Ruger American.
Marlin, Henry, and Rossi all make decent lever action rifles.
The AR10 and AR15 families of rifles are fine, I have a personal prejudice against them, but there are a LOT of guys out there who love them, and they are not wrong to do so.
 
oXide said:
20 gauge shotgun for shotgun shooting merit badge having the most recoil, which honestly wasn't much.

What are the federal restrictions on "assault rifles" as far as builds like the AR 10 and 15 are concerned?
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a 20ga has plenty of recoil. you're a big boy and you probably shot it standing, so it didn't bother you. Even moreso if it was a semi-auto. I just want to make the point that felt-recoil is dramatically dependent on body mass, hold, action, and position. So don't EVER give a 20ga pump to your 120lb girlfriend and tell her it has 'mild recoil'. 'cause it don't.

There are no specific federal restrictions on semi-automatic AR-type rifles.

re-barelling a pistol to a rifle cartridge is generally pointless.
rifle cartridges are loaded with slow-burning powder that require a long barrel over which they accelerate the bullet. In a short barrel the bullet blows out early and you burn most of the powder in the air - waste of powder, noise, shock, recoil, etc. You dramatically lose velocity and dramatically increase everything that prevents good shooting.

Pistol cartridges are loaded with fast-burning powder for the same reasons. There ARE crossovers and there ARE intermediates. Full-bore .357 comes to mind. .30-30 has been adapted for single-shot pistols, but since it's perfectly balanced in a 20" levergun, why bother? There are .223 pistols, but even an 16-20" .223 is way overbore, which means it has more powder than can be burned in its abbreviated barrel.
 
oXide said:
So much knowledge. I must learn more! Thanks for the info. And the laws... I guess I really do need to wait until I turn 21 to get a handgun. Oh well. Any recommendations on a good rifle/shotgun? I would prefer large-ish caliber/gauge, mostly because so far every gun I've shot has almost 0 recoil, 20 gauge shotgun for shotgun shooting merit badge having the most recoil, which honestly wasn't much.

What are the federal restrictions on "assault rifles" as far as builds like the AR 10 and 15 are concerned?
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Any long gun is available to anyone 18+, whether it's single shot, bolt, lever, revolving, or semi-auto. Action doesn't matter...unless it's full auto.

For a first gun for someone who just wants to be able to shoot, I always recommend a Mossberg 500. So freaking versatile, and you'll have it forever. You can deer hunt, small game hunt, bird hunt, shoot clays, shoot targets, etc.
 
Sig Sauer makes the Mosquito, which is chambered for .22 LR. Good for plinking, and the Israeli Mossad uses .22's for their issue pistols. They're also pretty inexpensive, all things considered.

I've got a Springfield XD in 40 S&W for my primary handgun, which has been great for me so far. Reliable, eats whatever kind of ammo (and different types of ammo in the same magazine, even), with no issues. And, SA has fantastic CS. Dealing with them felt just as good as dealing with Kabar. Glocks, a decent 1911, or a S&W M&P may also be good choices for a handgun, from what I've seen. I was looking for something reliable, accurate, and cost effective. Strongly recommend checking them out, handling them, maybe renting and seeing if you like the way that it shoots for you, prior to buying.

For rifles, I've got a Daniel Defense M4v7, which I love, and a Marlin 336 in 30-30 for a lever gun. I am in the market next for a good bolt-action. Not a shotgun guy. Don't like em, never have, and will not be adding one to my collection. Just not my thing, I guess.

-edit- incidentally, oXide, if you need help when you're doing your college stuff, that's part of what I do for a living. I'd be happy to help you out, although if you're mainly just looking for a temporary place to be prior to enlisting, you may not need too much.
 
Oxide, I encourage you to spend the years before you turn 21 acquiring as much knowledge and gun handling training as possible. When you get your permit you'll be competent and situationally aware. Try and find classes that focus on self defense, not just hitting a paper target. Good luck. My 21st birthday present to myself was my concealed permit. I made sure I was ready first.
 
1066vik said:
if it doesn't fire more that one bullet for each pull of the trigger, it's not an "assault rifle".
shotguns and long guns - be they single shot, bolt, lever, pump, or semi-auto are legal to own as age 18, some states allow posession/ownership at 16.
there is NOTHING wrong with a 20 gauge -- I personally think it's a nearly perfect caliber for most hunting.
That said, if you want a "high power" centerfire rifle, yopu have a ton of options at just about any price point.
mil-surp bolt actions starting at $100, low end bolt actions and semi-auto carbines around $300, nicer rifles in the $5-700 range, and tacti-cool stuff going up from there.
For a general purpose hunting round, I like 30-06. .308 is perfectly fine as well, but not quite as versatile.
Stevens 200/Savage 110 family of rifles are great values -- especially used.
Marlin XR-7 is another good low cost bolt gun, as is the Howa 1500 (also known as the Weatherby Vanguard if you like paying $200 more for a name) and the Ruger American.
Marlin, Henry, and Rossi all make decent lever action rifles.
The AR10 and AR15 families of rifles are fine, I have a personal prejudice against them, but there are a LOT of guys out there who love them, and they are not wrong to do so.
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Oh, I agree, nothing wrong with a 20 Ga, just felt like I was shooting a 22 sized for a 10 yr old, it was small, and while it did product a nice sound and I felt a little bit of the recoil in my hands, almost none of it transferred to my shoulder. I guess it could have been improper stance, or overly proper if I had it really into my shoulder, but that was all last summer and what I remember about it was pulling the trigger and thinking "Well, that was disappointing, I was expecting a nice kick.", so I'll probably move up to a 12 or 10 Ga when I get a shotgun (still looking at all the different shotgun and rifle options).


daizee said:
a 20ga has plenty of recoil. you're a big boy and you probably shot it standing, so it didn't bother you. Even moreso if it was a semi-auto. I just want to make the point that felt-recoil is dramatically dependent on body mass, hold, action, and position. So don't EVER give a 20ga pump to your 120lb girlfriend and tell her it has 'mild recoil'. 'cause it don't.

There are no specific federal restrictions on semi-automatic AR-type rifles.

re-barelling a pistol to a rifle cartridge is generally pointless.
rifle cartridges are loaded with slow-burning powder that require a long barrel over which they accelerate the bullet. In a short barrel the bullet blows out early and you burn most of the powder in the air - waste of powder, noise, shock, recoil, etc. You dramatically lose velocity and dramatically increase everything that prevents good shooting.

Pistol cartridges are loaded with fast-burning powder for the same reasons. There ARE crossovers and there ARE intermediates. Full-bore .357 comes to mind. .30-30 has been adapted for single-shot pistols, but since it's perfectly balanced in a 20" levergun, why bother? There are .223 pistols, but even an 16-20" .223 is way overbore, which means it has more powder than can be burned in its abbreviated barrel.
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Ok, I'll try not to put someone on the ground by understating the recoil of a shotgun. :D Note to self: rifle rounds wasted on pistols and short barrels. Thanks for the explanation on the difference.

mrn8 said:
Any long gun is available to anyone 18+, whether it's single shot, bolt, lever, revolving, or semi-auto. Action doesn't matter...unless it's full auto.

For a first gun for someone who just wants to be able to shoot, I always recommend a Mossberg 500. So freaking versatile, and you'll have it forever. You can deer hunt, small game hunt, bird hunt, shoot clays, shoot targets, etc.
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Will definitely look at that. I keep hearing about Mossberg from all the grumpy old men at camp, they seem to like the brand.

crimsonfalcon07 said:
Sig Sauer makes the Mosquito, which is chambered for .22 LR. Good for plinking, and the Israeli Mossad uses .22's for their issue pistols. They're also pretty inexpensive, all things considered.

I've got a Springfield XD in 40 S&W for my primary handgun, which has been great for me so far. Reliable, eats whatever kind of ammo (and different types of ammo in the same magazine, even), with no issues. And, SA has fantastic CS. Dealing with them felt just as good as dealing with Kabar. Glocks, a decent 1911, or a S&W M&P may also be good choices for a handgun, from what I've seen. I was looking for something reliable, accurate, and cost effective. Strongly recommend checking them out, handling them, maybe renting and seeing if you like the way that it shoots for you, prior to buying.

For rifles, I've got a Daniel Defense M4v7, which I love, and a Marlin 336 in 30-30 for a lever gun. I am in the market next for a good bolt-action. Not a shotgun guy. Don't like em, never have, and will not be adding one to my collection. Just not my thing, I guess.

-edit- incidentally, oXide, if you need help when you're doing your college stuff, that's part of what I do for a living. I'd be happy to help you out, although if you're mainly just looking for a temporary place to be prior to enlisting, you may not need too much.
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Damn, I thought the choices for rifles were crazy. I guess 21 brings more choices.

Thanks for the offer, I might take you up on it, but I think I still need to figure out what I want out of a college other than NROTC...

Captain Airyca said:
Oxide, I encourage you to spend the years before you turn 21 acquiring as much knowledge and gun handling training as possible. When you get your permit you'll be competent and situationally aware. Try and find classes that focus on self defense, not just hitting a paper target. Good luck. My 21st birthday present to myself was my concealed permit. I made sure I was ready first.
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Thanks for the advice Cap'n, I guess I'll be talking to the NRA instructors and grumpy old men I've met a little more frequently. Sounds like a good 21st birthday.
 
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oXide said:
Oh, I agree, nothing wrong with a 20 Ga, just felt like I was shooting a 22 sized for a 10 yr old, it was small, and while it did product a nice sound and I felt a little bit of the recoil in my hands, almost none of it transferred to my shoulder. I guess it could have been improper stance, or overly proper if I had it really into my shoulder, but that was all last summer and what I remember about it was pulling the trigger and thinking "Well, that was disappointing, I was expecting a nice kick.", so I'll probably move up to a 12 or 10 Ga when I get a shotgun (still looking at all the different shotgun and rifle options).
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If you want to hurt yourself, shoot a high-powered rifle. They operate at 65,000psi and the recoil is SHARP. Shotguns operate at lower pressures and it drops rapidly since the bore is so large, thereby increasing the volume more rapidly as the payload travels down the tube.

You may have had a 20ga with a youth stock. That would definitely feel small to you. A normal 20ga isn't much smaller than a 12, but the action should be somewhat slimmer. Clays, birds, and deer don't take much killing. A 20ga is a substantial hunting tool. Also, you may have been shooting mild target loads - I forgot to mention that in my original post. Shotguns will run on a large variety of fodder. Throw a full-length 'magnum' shell in that 20 and it will be a different animal.

Also, if your stance was 'wrong' it would have hurt. That it didn't suggests you're either doing it right, or a giant cyclops. The butt must be snug to your shoulder (ideally not on the joint...) and cheek welded to the stock. If you give the gun room to move it will hit you at high velocity instead of just giving you a shove. Don't let it wind up.
 
No kidding. There are so many choices out there. Shooting is very expensive too. Considering you're thinking about getting into it around when you'll be in college, and college kids are generally poor, you may want to consider buying a popular caliber that's inexpensive (22 LR, 9mm, etc).
 
daizee said:
If you want to hurt yourself, shoot a high-powered rifle. They operate at 65,000psi and the recoil is SHARP. Shotguns operate at lower pressures and it drops rapidly since the bore is so large, thereby increasing the volume more rapidly as the payload travels down the tube
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7mm Mag. I've shot a lot of stuff in my day, and that is one I refuse to own.
 
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