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dan423

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I just got a horseman the other day and so far I love the thing, however the liner lock wont stick out to the middle half of the knife, instead its only 1/4th. Today I tested it by hitting the back against a hard surface and the lock failed. it still feels solid tho. Will Emerson be willing to fix this and if so whats the turn around time? thanks.
 
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I don't recommend testing your liner lock by spine whacking. IMO it does more harm than good.
As a matter of fact if you told Emerson you did that, it would probably be considered abuse. Sounds like it just needs to break in a little.
 
amen74 said:
I don't recommend testing your liner lock by spine whacking. IMO it does more harm than good.
As a matter of fact if you told Emerson you did that, it would probably be considered abuse. Sounds like it just needs to break in a little.
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Yup, the spine whack thing is just silly IMO.
I have a hard time understanding what its supposed to replicate in terms of actual knife use.

If the lock does have a defect of some sort then it will be fixed by EKI.
 
Spine whack :eek: yep, not thinking things through, I thought liner lock = spine whack. So in a new knife rush, I smacked it on the kitchen counter, only to have it fail, and cut me good, cut me real good. Stupid is stupid does
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yeah ya shouldnt wack the thing, a lite tap on a carpeted floor or into your palm will show ya how the lock up is, at that particular moment anyway.
 
Haze said:
Yup, the spine whack thing is just silly IMO.
I have a hard time understanding what its supposed to replicate in terms of actual knife use.

If the lock does have a defect of some sort then it will be fixed by EKI.
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I always smack the back of my blades on things..Just being a smart ^&*. I don't see the point of this so called test either.
 
I was not going to chime in but since everyone else did...
NO spine whacking!!! :mad:
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I guess the term "spine whacking" on this forum means to hit the damn thing as hard as you can. Ill take note of that. And in regards to amen, if the things made out of titanium and wont stick out far enough, its a safe bet that it wont "break in"
 
dan423 said:
I guess the term "spine whacking" on this forum means to hit the damn thing as hard as you can. Ill take note of that. And in regards to amen, if the things made out of titanium and wont stick out far enough, its a safe bet that it wont "break in"
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uhhh.....actually it will break in. titanium is softer than steel, and it will go farther over the tang with time as it wears.


spine whacks are generally not considered a reliable test of lock strength because they stress the lock in a way that will not be encountered under even extreme use. even if you were to baton your knife with a sledge hammer (it would stress the stop pin more), it would not stress the lock the same way as whacking it on the counter. you're just setting yourself up for failure.

if for some reason you find your self hammering with your folder open using the spine as the impact surface, you are doing something seriously wrong.


i recently acquired a persian, and out of the box the liner only engaged the tang at about 75% of the liner. after a couple weeks of playing with it, it now engages at about 25% of the tang. read more, post less.
 
dan423 said:
I guess the term "spine whacking" on this forum means to hit the damn thing as hard as you can. Ill take note of that. And in regards to amen, if the things made out of titanium and wont stick out far enough, its a safe bet that it wont "break in"
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Like I said, and as MORIMOTOM was kind enough to explain, the knife needs time to break-in.

Why are you asking questions you don't seem to want answers to?:confused:
Two of my recent Emerson purchases had early lock-up, and have since broken in quite nicely BTW. ;)
 
Haze said:
Yup, the spine whack thing is just silly IMO.
I have a hard time understanding what its supposed to replicate in terms of actual knife use.
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Really?!? It surprises you that a 'fighting folder' ("CQC" doesn't stand for "Custom Quilt Cutter";)), designed for 'professionals in harm's way,' might somehow end up getting the spine of its blade smacked?:confused:

Regards,
3G
 
amen74 said:
I don't recommend testing your liner lock by spine whacking. IMO it does more harm than good.
As a matter of fact if you told Emerson you did that, it would probably be considered abuse. Sounds like it just needs to break in a little.
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One smack of the spine of the blade on a hard object to test the integrity of the lock equals "abuse?" We're not talking about cigar cutters here, we're talking about "THE #1 HARD USE KNIVES IN THE WORLD™"!

Regards,
3G
 
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dan423 said:
I guess the term "spine whacking" on this forum means to hit the damn thing as hard as you can. Ill take note of that. And in regards to amen, if the things made out of titanium and wont stick out far enough, its a safe bet that it wont "break in"
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Nothing wrong with testing the integrity of your lock, but be advised, there's a fairly thin line between 'testing' and 'abuse.' In my opinion, a light smack of the spine of the blade on a solid object, properly and safely performed, to test a lock's integrity, isn't a bad thing. Fingers don't grow back, so I'd rather find out that the lock doesn't hold before I have to use the knife in an emergency situation!!

Regards,
3G
 
Well here is why I test the lock on every single frame/liner lock I have with a stout spine whack, and out by the tip by the way. Several years ago I let my wife use a high end liner lock(Tempest) to cut some refrigerator door gasket. She cuts the gasket with no problem and as she finished the cut she brings the knife up and hits the top of the blade on the door. Knife closes part way and cuts her first finger pretty good. No stitches but still a pretty good cut. I of course take the knife and am looking at it and after fixing up her finger I say what gives with the knife. So I lightly tap the knife and sure enough it closes pretty easily. Knife went back to MOD and recieved a new knife that was rock solid. A properly made liner lock if it fails should always fail towards the inside of the lock at least this is what I have been told. Not release the blade so it closes.

I don't see how you can say a liner lock folder that is used won't ever be used in a way that would compromise its lock at one time or another especially in an outdoor setting. You know twisting, or turning the blade, or maybe having it wedge when doing some light batonning. I mean after all you may have to cut your way through a car hood or something! Anyways my take on it. I perform the test and rely on it to indicate a very good lock up. keepem sharp
 
i dont see how cutting through a car door is simulated by a spine whack.

you would be using the edge to do so, no? this would stress the stop pin far more than the liner.

i suppose if you stuck the knife in to the door, the applied pressure on the spine, it would be similar. but why would one expect the spine to cut through anything? granted, under stress we do goofy things.

maybe i think tapping the spine and a spine whack are not the same thing. i don't want my locks to fail, and so far none have.
 
3Guardsmen said:
One smack of the spine of the blade on a hard object to test the integrity of the lock equals "abuse?" We're not talking about cigar cutters here, we're talking about "THE #1 HARD USE KNIVES IN THE WORLD™"!

Regards,
3G
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well, how hard did he whack the spine?

a tap to one may be considered a whack to someone else. and vice versa.
 
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