List of Old Timer Folders

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dlk

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This may be folly, but I have an affliction where I like to make lists, so I tried to list all the Old Timer folding knives that I know of. Most of these are post-'72 regular Schrade stock, but a few are oddballs like the 3 Ulsters from the famous Prince Albert offer, a couple of Keen Kutters, and at least one Schrade-Walden.

All have the rounded bar "Old Timer" shield except the 2-OT, which has the printing across a bolster. All models have the OT suffix except the 858 Lumberjack, and the 296Y Yellow Trapper.

I pretty much ignored the OTX line and fancy collector releases -- but not because I don't like them! There are 38 entries in the list.

If you'll indulge me, I'd be interested in corrections, additions, suggestions, etc. In particular, a few of the oifficial names are missing. I'm not sure how to make table very readable in this medium though...

Depending on how this goes, I may try the Uncle Henrys next.

Thanks for any input,
Dave


Model; Name; Length; Blades; Notes
2; Jack?; 3-1/2"; clip, pen; Schrade-Walden, smooth bone; fancy bolsters
3; Bearhead; 3"; drop point - lockback; SS blade
5OT / 5OTG; Bruin / Green Bruin; 3-3/4"; drop point - lockback; green version has SS blade
6; Golden Bear; 5"; clip - lockback; SS blade, no rear bolster
7; Cave Bear; 5"; clip - lockback;
8; Senior; 4"; clip, sheepfoot, spey; Also Keen Kutter and Yellow (Frontiersman) models
9; Golden Claw; 5"; spear with gut hook - lockback;
10; Barlow; 3-3/8"; clip, pen; Ulster (Prince Albert offer)
12; Pal; 2-7/8"; clip; also thought to be Ulster 2 bld barlow for Euro market 1964-1965 with 12OT model no.
18; Mighty Mite; 2-3/4"; clip - liner lock;
25; Folding Hunter; 5-1/4"; clip, skinner;
33; Middleman Jack; 3-5/16"; clip, pen;
34; Middleman; 3-5/16"; clip, sheepfoot, spey; also Yellow (Plainsman) model
36; Saddleman; 3-5/16"; clip, sheepfoot, punch;
43; Pocket Beast; 3-7/8"; clip - liner lock;
44; Workmate; 3-5/16"; clip, sheepfoot, spey, Wharncliffe; special run?
47; Beast; 4-7/8"; clip - liner lock;
49; Rhino; 4-7/8"; clip w/ gut hook - liner lock;
50; Utility; 3-5/8"; spear, punch, etc.; aka Scout or Camp, Ulster (Prince Albert offer), tang not marked with model no.
51; Big Timer ; 4-3/4"; spear - lockback; aka Sunfish / Bulldog
53OTG; (Bearhead) Blade lifter; 3"; drop point - liner lock; thumb stud, green handle
55OTG; (Bruin) Blade Lifter; 3-3/4"; drop point - liner lock; thumb stud, green handle
58; Whittler / Stockman; 3-1/4"; clip, pen, spey; Ulster (Prince Albert offer); Keen Kutter (no tang stamp)
61; Slim Premium Stock; 4"; clip, sheepfoot, spey;
72; Dog leg jack; 2-7/8"; clip, pen; peanut really
77; Improved / Small Game Muskrat; 3-7/8"; 2 Turkish clip;
89; Blazer 4"; clip, serrated sheepfoot, spey;
93; Wrangler; 3-9/16"; clip, sheepfoot; SS blades
94; Trapper; 3-7/8"; clip, spey;
96; Bearhead Trapper; 4-1/8"; clip, spey, pick, tweezers;
97; Buzzsaw Trapper; 4-1/8"; clip, saw, pick, tweezers;
98; Ramrod; 3-9/16"; Turkish clip, sheepfoot, spey; SS blades
104; Minuteman; 2-3/4"; clip, pen;
106; Grandad's; 2-3/4"; clip, pen, scissors;
108; Junior; 2-3/4"; clip, sheepfoot, pen;
123 / 124; Pioneer; 4"; clip; 124 has SS blades
125 / 126; Mustang; 5-1/4"; clip - liner lock; 126 has SS blades
194; Gunstock Trapper; 3-7/8"; clip - liner lock;
225; Son of a Gun; 5-1/4"; clip, saw;
296Y; Yellow Trapper; 4-1/8"; clip, spey;
858; Lumberjack; 4-1/2"; clip, sheepfoot, spey;
 
It's very early and I just can't find it using the Search Function, but not too long ago Larry posted a nice list of everything you are looking for. It will fill in all the holes and I think it included the UH models as well.

Also.. several of us have the very excellent book by Robert Clemente, A Catalog History of Schrade Knives (Uncle Henry & Old Timer) and we give them a workout in this forum answering questions about dates made, little facts, ect.

Larry??? Where is that post?

Phil
 
The name of the 225OT, the model with the clip blade and saw, is "Son of a Gun", says so right on the box. Great knife that doesn't get alot of press, even amongst us Schrade-aholics.
 
The name of the 49OT is RHINO, though it is the Beast pattern with guthook added.

Codger
 
Great, thanks for the replies! That list definitely has a few that mine lacks. I edited my list above to include some of the new info. FWIW, I notice it doesn't include the Barlow (10OT) or Scout (no model number) Ulster OTs from the 1972 Prince Albert offer. Do those not count for some reason? Now my question is, which of the following are NOT fixed blades? These are all new to me, but I routinely ignore fixed blades (just my version of the disease :)).

13OT Trailblazer
14OT Timberline
15OT Deerslayer
41OT Maverick
152OT Sharp Finger
154OT Drop Point Hunter
156OT Lit’l Finger
158OT Guthook Skinner
160OT Mountain Lion
165OT Woodsman
140OT Trail Boss
141OT Outfitter
142OT Guidemaster
143OT Blade Runner
146OT Minimum Flex
147OT Pro Fisherman
246OT Maximum Flex

Dave
 
nice list of old timers, I have printed a copy to go in my book. anyway, with all this list talk going on, anyone don't have a list of the schrade walden and/or schrade cut co. folders would they? Also where can I seek a copy of " a catalog history of schrade knives"? thanks
MM
 
dlk said:
....... I notice it doesn't include the ...... Ulster OTs from the 1972 Prince Albert offer.

Dave
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Interesting that you place the Ulster Prince Albert offer in 1972. My research shows a date in the early to mid sixties. The 58OT itself dates from 1958 to 1966? How did you arrive at that date for the Ulster P.A. offer?

Codger
 
He he, some of us here are Old Timers, just a bit rusty and trying to stay sharp.

Back to Schrade knives, how about the OTX, are they Old Timers ?.

I'll go get some popcorn and come back to see if there are any comments about this being a list of Old Timer Folders and if there will be one of Old Timer Fixed Blades...

Luis
 
don't think you'll be getting any replies that quick, this place is slow moving today...you know them old timers are slow to open when they're all rusty hehe :p :p
 
Now my question is, which of the following are NOT fixed blades?
13OT Trailblazer
14OT Timberline
15OT Deerslayer
41OT Maverick
152OT Sharp Finger
154OT Drop Point Hunter
156OT Lit’l Finger
158OT Guthook Skinner
160OT Mountain Lion
165OT Woodsman
140OT Trail Boss
141OT Outfitter
142OT Guidemaster
143OT Blade Runner
146OT Minimum Flex
147OT Pro Fisherman
246OT Maximum Flex
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Is the 41OT is a folder? All of the others seem to be fixed blades.

Don't forget to add 126OT to your list. It's the same as a 125, but with stainless blades. Or so I was informed in the other topic.

I consider the 5OT and 5OTG to be different models, based on the tang stamp model number. So that gets two entries on my list. I stay clear of the green-handled models (Beast, Rhino, etc.) that's my form of the disease.

Best Wishes,
Bob
 
Luis,

There are some here who are kind of fixed in their ways... :rolleyes: But others here will continue to try to help them become more OPEN, as it were. They say you can lead a horse to Drown Royal....but you can't make them Crink....or something like that. ;)

Is anyone USING their Forum knife? Or just admiring it as the nice FOLDER that it is?

ENQUIRE...ing minds must know!

Bill
 
Bob W said:
Is the 41OT is a folder?
Bob
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No, the 41OT MAVERICK is an uncommon "bird and trout" pattern fixed blade. Schrade only made it a couple of years. '71, '72, '73 I think. It has a 4 3/8 sabre clip blade, sawcut delrin handle, and is one of the few OT fixed knives to have an aluminum pommel.

Codger
 
Thanks for the info Codger. That model is still on my "wanted" list and I don't recall seeing them on eBay. A Google search turned up nothing.

-Bob
 
Codger_64 said:
Interesting that you place the Ulster Prince Albert offer in 1972. My research shows a date in the early to mid sixties. The 58OT itself dates from 1958 to 1966? How did you arrive at that date for the Ulster P.A. offer?

Codger
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Codger, I have one of the Prince Albert tins with the offer, and the paper inside says $2 plus 5 wrappers will get you an Ulster Old Timer whittler, barlow, or utility knife. And the offer expires Dec 31, 1973. So I guess that puts the offer in the '72 - '73 time frame.
Interesting that they called the 58OT a "whittler".
Features of the knives include
- Solid brass lining
- Tempered steel
- Unbreakable handle
- Hand honed and edged
You could get your $2 back if not completely satisfied within 60 days.

Bob, I had the 126 in the notes at the end ot the 125. Similarly, I think there is a 124 (SS) version of the 123. But maybe they deserve their own line. Good point about the 5 OT / 5 OTG. But that means I'll have add a 5 OT to my shopping list. I totally agree on the Beast variants, they just are not in the same class as the other OTs.

The wife is calling me to dinner, guess I better go for now...

Thanks for all the replies!

Dave
 
OK,

My last post was a little off topic....but just meant as fun, sorry dlk... :o

Anyway, does anyone know why there was no 4OT? Was it four....oooops, sorry.....for a reason?

What about knives made in the Custom Shop, should they be linked by handle/pattern style with their more common brothers?

Bill
 
Bill,

No apology needed for sure! All in good fun. I think you answered the question I was going to ask next: Why was there no congress in the OT or UH lines? They must have had 4 OT reserved for that...

Actually it's a serious question: Anyone know why no congress? Seems like such a glaring omission, there must be a story behind it.

Dave
 
An Old Timer congress, just the thought of that makes me giddy. 4 1095 blades all packed together in a nice brown derlin package, wish they had made one of those. They didn't, did they?
 
This is as close as they got to a congress.
These without the 2000 lettering are rare.
44OT Workman
044OT.jpg

TTYL
Larry
 
dlk, et al

I did a little research and came across the Ulster Old Timer Camper pattern number.

It was callled a 50 OT. We have thought the 10 OT and 50 OT were only made for a knife market in Europe, but a letter I found from Debbie Chase lists the 10OT Barlow, 50OT Camper and the 58OT as the models in the Tabacco can. Guess they didn't sell well over there and the Tabacco offer was a perfect outlet for the knives.

There is still a missing 12OT Barlow. Anyone seen one? Its also in the Ulster timeframe and also thought to be for the Europe market. 1964-65

10OT 2 bladed Barlow mfd by Ulster Knife 1964-1967
12OT (2-bld Barlow) 1964-1965
50OT Camper Ulster 1961-1966
58OT mfd by Ulster Knife 1961-1966
These were never listed in a Schrade catalog which is why they are not in Roberts books (except for the 58OT). I may get him to add these in the next version.
TTYL
Larry
P.S.
An excerpt from Atricle I have saved.
Prince Albert in the Can
by dennls eillngsen

"Debbie Chase at Schrade and see if she had any idea about these knives. She found that the 10 OT was made between 1964 and 1967. The 50 OT and the 58 0T were made from 1961 to 1966. By a little deduction we can say that this knife offer by Prince Albert was between 1964 and 1966."
 
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