List of ZTs that Don't Have Lock Failure Issues

[RBid]

F falar

This is a sample size of one small ZT, but:

Here’s a top-down view showing contact pattern on the blade tang.

The lock bar insert engages it well, and this 0609 passes spine whacks all day.

Again, just one sample.

 

[falar]

You must be carrying that a lot based on that lint, haha.

Admittedly, as much as I like my 0609 I haven't spent as much time with it yet. I wish a "full size" version would come out like with the 045x series.

454 expensive, custom art knife--->450 mini version with every-day materials-->452 full size version with every-day materials
606 expensive, custom art knife--->0609 mini version with every-day materials-->XXXXXXXXXX????? please happen ZT

I haven't even flipped it enough times to "break it in" yet so my engagement is slightly less than yours. It takes quite a bit of pressure to unlock though so I'm sure it is good to go.

 

[cbrstar]

Unlikely. Counterfeiters don't usually make copies of such a small amount of knives, given the different models. Maybe the 0562.

More likely is that we don't know of the abuse these knives have sustained before failure. The longstanding quality members here that I know through their post history, I trust their failures are legit and warrant attention. As we have seen, there are also trolls here who like to hype an issue because they are trolls. There are also members who abuse their knives and wonder why they fail. Then there are instatubers that have no connection to this community; plus those here that repost their untrustworthy info.

We've got to trust the information we are getting when taking an issue seriously. I've only seen a handful of failures that I think are genuine and those are nowhere near the epidemic level some would have you believe.

I kinda have a theory but I can't prove it. People don't realize this but Titanium has a incredible amount of flex to it. It's one of the reasons why it never caught on as a frame material in the cycling world. I'm wondering when you apply sudden force to titanium if will flex just enough to disengage the lock?

 

[Stephen W Huyssoon]

All this just because a few folks have observed a lock failure and wanted others to know.

The efforts made attempting to show it doesn't happen or doesn't matter or even is the fault of the knife user, these efforts give away the motivation behind the effort.

Let it go. It happens, should be corrected by manufacturer, won't be.

I recommend selling those knives with problems and buy knives with good design.

IF A LOCKING KNIFE HAS A QUESTIONABLE LOCK IT IS NOT SAFE. That is a bad thing. The naysayers are merely saying nay, they aren't fixing anyone's knife.

Get a Benchmade.

 

[Hackenslash]

I smell the stink of ^TROLL^ coming from this guy Horizon7. It's becoming very clear to me that it's his second account and he gets off on arguing with folks and or he/she or It is just another knucklehead noob millennial so why don't you just ride off into the Horizon or start backing your shit up with Pics or Vids. FACTS Kid, We want FACTS. Or Walk On ........

I think the troll has a personal vendetta against ZT. His singular experience with the brand was a 0160 with really bad lockstick.

 

[BD_01]

Fat finger. Will edit

 

[BD_01]

I think the troll has a personal vendetta against ZT. His singular experience with the brand was a 0160 with really bad lockstick.

Hmmm. You might be on to something here......

Apparently, a roll of duct tape can defeat all of those models.

Stay away from ZT, bro. Their knives will literally cut your fingers off. The worst.

But can it withstand a spine tap on your hand?

Nowadays, ZTs are considered slip joints .

I'll NEVER buy a ZT again.

All ZTs should be considered slip joints.

...a knife that can withstand duct tape taps.

ZT makes beautiful slipjoints.

Roll of the dice in getting a good one.

Does anybody else think ZT should include a nail nick on the blade, so they are consistent with other slip joints?

All ZT threads should be moved to the Traditional Folder forum.

 

[knarfeng]

Focus on the knives, not other posters.

 

[Horizon7]

I kinda have a theory but I can't prove it. People don't realize this but Titanium has a incredible amount of flex to it. It's one of the reasons why it never caught on as a frame material in the cycling world. I'm wondering when you apply sudden force to it titanium if will flex just enough to disengage the lock?

Interesting theory

 

[Yonose]

I’ve never heard of a 0562 or an 0804 failing, but none of my zt’s have ever failed; maybe because I rotate them so often and usually carry at least 2 knives.

 

[stabman]

I used a ZT 0804CF in the woods a few weeks back when I headed out with my brother.
This message has been typed with the stumps left when the lock failed...oh wait, I still have fingers because the lock works.
Just like on all my other ZT knives.

If some of y'all are really experiencing these failures, you must have terrible, terrible luck.

 

[Horizon7]

I used a ZT 0804CF in the woods a few weeks back when I headed out with my brother.
This message has been typed with the stumps left when the lock failed...oh wait, I still have fingers because the lock works.
Just like on all my other ZT knives.

If some of y'all are really experiencing these failures, you must have terrible, terrible luck.

Yup. MANY people have had terrible luck with ZT knife purchases. You're absolutely right.

 

[craytab]

Yup. MANY people have had terrible luck with ZT knife purchases. You're absolutely right.

The vast majority don't.

 

[91bravo]

Yup. MANY people have had terrible luck with ZT knife purchases. You're absolutely right.

This statement is incorrect. You obviously have a vendetta against ZT and it shows through your posts. There are MANY more people happy with their ZTs than not.

 

[Horizon7]

This statement is incorrect. You obviously have a vendetta against ZT and it shows through your posts. There are MANY more people happy with their ZTs than not.

Have proof?

 

[91bravo]

Have proof?

You're the one who started this thread, the burden of proof is on you. This is not a pissing match. You're attempt to belittle ZT as a whole, is not conducive with the mass majority of ZT owners.

 

[Yonose]

ZT produces too many knives at too low a price, which imo leads to people buying their knives who would fall for their implied “overbuilt means perfect;” and believe that “zero tolerance” isnt just a catchphrase. I truly feel bad for those who have (almost or actually)lost fingers or confidence in a company with only “visual” quality control. The 10 or 20(?)that I own I couldn’t in good conscience even give away—so I just enjoy using them (with gloves) for removing tiles, nails and other demo projects.

 

[sgt1372]

Seems to me that if you need a knife that you're going to "wack" that you should buy/use a big, heavy fixed blade instead of a folder for that.

The only folder that I know of that would hold up to really brutal wacking is the Extrema Ratio RAO II and, if you need to use a folder like that, that's the one I suggest be purchased instead of a ZT (or any other "standard" folder no matter how well it may be made). Just be careful to avoid buying a clone. See:

 

[benchwarmer380]

Have proof?

I've been on Bladeforums for just over 6 years. Within that time, ZT's line up of base models, number of collaborations with custom makers, and amount of Limited Edition knives have only increased in number and that trend doesn't really seem to be slowing down.
If there were more unsatisfied customers than happy, as your profess to be truth, why are they growing in numbers of models and continually dabbling into the higher end of the production knife game?

Also, if you look at the reviews on two of the top knife dealers around, Knifecenter and Bladehq, the vast majority of ZT models are sitting with at least 4 stars and most closer to 5. Take that as you will, or add a grain of salt if you like.

I asked this before (mostly rhetorically) but am curious if you have any idea of the actual numbers since you are so keen that they're failing their customer base. "What is the ratio of poor examples to proper?"




Ok, now where is your proof?

 

[Horizon7]

ZT produces too many knives at too low a price, which imo leads to people buying their knives who would fall for their implied “overbuilt means perfect;” and believe that “zero tolerance” isnt just a catchphrase. I truly feel bad for those who have (almost or actually)lost fingers or confidence in a company with only “visual” quality control. The 10 or 20(?)that I own I couldn’t in good conscience even give away—so I just enjoy using them (with gloves) for removing tiles, nails and other demo projects.

This should be stickied.

Maybe ZT should include Mechanix work gloves with each purchase? This would be a meaningful step in making reparations.