Listing of all-black Kershaw knives

[rsngfrce]

Things do happen, not too common but it has happened before. Most people just show the stock photos of a knife anyway so don't take those photos too seriously. I have found calling is the only real way besides physically seeing it yourself to confirm. I have seen a couple of these but never owned one. Hope that helps.

Thanks for the info. Based on what I have seen though, I am pretty much convinced that 1725BLKST exists in both a serrated black and serrated sliver blade. I actually contact Kershaw about this, wasn't sure if they would respond or not. Unfortunately, I contacted them before I came to believe that two versions of this model exist and when I still mistakenly believed it was a store exclusive. Here is their response:

Yes, we have made a 1725BLKST. It was a plain blade coated with partial serrations. Our history does not say who it was an exclusive to. I do see it at XXX.com but that does not mean they hold the exclusive.

So, not all that helpful, but that is somewhat my fault and I greatly appreciate them taking the time to respond! They do say it was "coated", which I guess means black, but I didn't ask if there was a non-black version also (though as I say, I am personally convinced at this point that this model was originally released with a black blade and later with a silver blade, with the same model number for whatever reason).


Keeping the KERSHAW flame burning here!

 

[rsngfrce]

I'm investigating some more knives that bad_juju let me know about. He mentioned the possibility of a black Salvo. I found this:



Listed at KnifeCenter as "Kershaw Salvo Folding Knife 3-1/4" Black Plain Blade, Black Steel Handles (model 2445CKT)". I believe this is incorrectly titled and is actually a Barrage (and this IS the Barrage model number). So far I don't find a black Salvo, but if anyone knows anything about this, I'd love to hear it!

In the midst of typing this, I found a reference to the name of the Barrage being changed to the Salvo (which explains the similar appearance), so I believe at this point that the black Salvo was actually called the Barrage and wasn't released with a black blade after the name was changed to the Salvo. But as I say, if you know differently...

[EDIT] I would be interested to know if anyone has one of these that came in a box listed as a Salvo, but I believe if this exists that the name on the box would be the only difference from the Barrage version.

 

[sonar87]

Random Tanto Leeks....

...Tanto Leeks. Crap. *adds to knife to want list* T_T

 

[rsngfrce]

After a tip from bad_juju, I did some research and added a couple more Cyclones and Mini Cyclones to the list...

 

[rsngfrce]

I found a number of eBay auctions listing this all black 'Kershaw' as a 1580ST... that is the model number of the Boa; this is obviously a China made knife that has stolen the Kershaw branding...



S30V, made in USA, sells for about $30.00... LOL.

 

[rsngfrce]

I just discovered the existence of a serrated black Boa, it has been added to the list.

 

[rsngfrce]

I got a new in the box Ener-G Black plain blade (1740BLK) and an Ener-G II Black plain blade (1745BLK) today. Both boxes and blades are labeled 1740BLK and 1745BLK. However, the blades are not black as they should be, but satin. Seriously Kershaw, this kind of major spec change with no change to the model#, which I am discovering more and more existence of, is COMPLETELY unacceptable. You just dropped a notch in the opinion of one of your big fans... :thumbdn:

 

[rsngfrce]

I got a new in the box Ener-G Black plain blade (1740BLK) and an Ener-G II Black plain blade (1745BLK) today. Both boxes and blades are labeled 1740BLK and 1745BLK. However, the blades are not black as they should be, but satin. Seriously Kershaw, this kind of major spec change with no change to the model#, which I am discovering more and more existence of, is COMPLETELY unacceptable. You just dropped a notch in the opinion of one of your big fans... :thumbdn:

I just contacted Kershaw regarding this issue of major changes to knife model specifications without any change to the model# (which hurts both the consumer and the dealer), which I hope they take seriously and I will be very interested to hear their response...

(And, the paid forum dealer that I puchased the Ener-G knives from is going to make the issue right for me...)

 

[Kai Corp.]

Sorry about the confusion. The 1740/45 have been disco'd for many years now. Can't really explain your situation. Perhaps knives got put in wrong box's at the factory or outside of the factory.

 

[Kai Corp.]

I guess I'll add that sadly we don't have an chronological order of every black knife we've ever produced. If you are contacting the factory for information, unfortunately there is limited data available. Good luck with your list. From your list I would concentrate on the Leek' Blur's. Seems you are quite short on those patterns.

 

[rsngfrce]

Sorry about the confusion. The 1740/45 have been disco'd for many years now. Can't really explain your situation. Perhaps knives got put in wrong box's at the factory or outside of the factory.

WOW! I certainly did not expect a KAI response to my message withing seconds of posting it here (and by they way, I always WELCOME both your and any other Kershaw employees on here to post in my Kershaw threads at any time). The problem with your response is that these two specific knives could not have been put in the wrong box, due to the fact that I PERSONALLY verified that the model#'s on both of the blades were the "BLK" model numbers, so as I see it, this makes the model#'s on these blades "incorrect", not just a case of a 1740 being placed in a 1740BLK box, which would be a different issue (and which COULD be considered a mistake, which obviously happens at times). The dealer selling them believed them to be the black blade versions, as they should have been, and dealers should not have to open every box to confirm Kershaw hasn't randomly changed the specs on the knife with no change to the model#, which Kershaw has from my research, done on at least a number of occasions in the past (another example being the Junkyard Dog II 1725BLKST, which I mention in post #18 in this thread and some of the following posts).

Refer to this picture I just took of the two Ener-G knives in question:


Regarding the shortage of Leeks and Blurs on this list, this list is specifically for what I consider all-black Kershaw knives (my particularly favorite) and I don't THINK I am missing all-black Leeks or Blurs in this list. In case you are unaware, I also have the following thread: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1152494-%28in%29Complete-list-of-Kershaw-knives, which is my work in progress of attempting to list ALL the Kershaw knives that I am able to (and includes a very much more complete lising of Leeks). Oh, and since I have the chance, I hope with Kershaw's introduction of new Black Wash models for 2014, this doesn't mean the end of black versions, as I would very much personally like a Black Cryo II for example (and I consider Black Wash, though very nice, different than Black).

(One final edit hopefully, my request to Kershaw was not for information, but just to complain about this spec change without model# change, which I don't think can be disputed based on the evidence...)

I do VERY much appreciate your posts however! :thumbup:
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[Kai Corp.]

Ahh now I see, yes they are indeed mis-marked for sure. With all the goings on in the factory, it happens on occasion. Sorry bout that.

All black, yes, well that will shorten your list a bit.

Good luck with your quest on the list, if I can think of any others that are missed I'll chime in.

To add: If you are interested in non-cataloged variations, there was the all black Daniel Defense Shallot that is out. It's an 1840DD.

 

[rsngfrce]

I am nothing if not obsessive when I am interested in something, so I will add some more info regarding the Ener-G and Ener-G II model# number problems here. I've been working on this for a while now, so I don't know if any posts have been made after my last one I made in this thread...

1740 / 1740BLK / 1740BLKST
The 1740 had "Handle is textured gray G-10 w/ black Trac-Tec inserts with Sandvik 13C26 stainless-steel blade". Here is a link to this knife from BladeHQ, which shows model# 1740 on blade: http://www.bladehq.com/item--Kershaw-ENERG-Manual--4713.

Here is a link to a 1740BLK, listed as an Ener-GY (The "GY" designation is new to me) from BladeHQ which has black G-10 handles and a Sandvik 14C28N satin blade (model# cannot be seen on blade in picture): http://www.bladehq.com/item--1740BLK-Kershaw-ENERGY--4259.

Here is a link to a 1740BLKST from BladeHQ, which has a black serrated blade, as would be expected (model# visible on blade): http://www.bladehq.com/item--1740BLK-Kershaw-ENERGY--4259.

The 1740BLK with the satin blade that I received has a date on the blade of "Feb 09".

I have found a customer's pictures of a 1740BLK with a satin blade on Amazon. That has no date on the blade. The poster of this picture made the following comments, "Show pertinent information like the designer, model no. and country of manufacture. Wish they included the blade steel. My 1st generation Ener-G (or NRG), with the green and black handle, had 13C26N steel. This 2nd gen. has the 14C28N steel by Sandvik. An interesting note, the 1st gen. included the manufacturing month and year on the ricasso, which was not included in the 2nd generation. Mine had "SEP 07" and "This is the 2nd generation Ener-G. This is the correct rendition of the 1740BLK knife, which I received. Its 14C28N blade is not Tungsten-DLC coated, as the original photo might lead you to believe. Instead, it has a beautiful satin finish. From what I know, the bigger 1745BLK has the Tu-DLC coat, but this 1740BLK does not, even though they have the same -BLK suffix.". So, the 1740BLK with a satin blade has been confirmed to exist with a "Feb 09" date and with no date.

I have found one picture of a 1740BLK with a black blade where I can see that date side of the blade, but the resolution of the photo is low and that I believe the blade is dated May 06 or May 08.

1745 / 1745BLK / 1745BLKST
I have found a picture of the 1745 with the original two color handle and satin blade with a blade date of Jun 06.

I have found a picture of a 1745BLK with black handles and a satin blade which is dated Feb 09.

Here is a link to a 1745BLK with a black blade on BladeHQ (no date visible): http://www.bladehq.com/item--Kershaw-ENER-G2-Flipper-Knife-3--8517.

Here is a link to a 1745BLKST with a black serrated blade on BladeHQ (no date visible): http://www.bladehq.com/item--Kershaw-Knives-ENERG2--4714

I can find a picture of a 1745BLKS black serrated blade showing a date of May 08.

I can find a picture of a 1745BLK black blade with no date on the blade.
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My findings in these sort of issues always SEEMS to indicate by the dating that items that were originally produced with black blades, were produced with satin blades at later dates with no change to the model# (although, I am not sure when Kershaw stopped dating blades and some undated black blades exist when their are dated satin examples.)

(By the way, if Kershaw is looking to hire a librarian/historian, I really like Oregon! )

 

[rsngfrce]

To add: If you are interested in non-cataloged variations, there was the all black Daniel Defense Shallot that is out. It's an 1840DD.

Thanks for pointing that out! I had that on my personal list, but apparently forgot to add it to the list here, which has now been corrected.

 

[rsngfrce]

Ahh now I see, yes they are indeed mis-marked for sure. With all the goings on in the factory, it happens on occasion. Sorry bout that.

I should say, based on what I show in post# 33, I don't personally believe these could be called 'mis-marked"... mistakes can happen and I wouldn't have so much of an issue with that. However, unless I am mistaken, there 'technically' are not Ener-G or EnerG II models with all-black handles and satin blades (at least none with a distinct model#). I would think maybe some original satin Ener-G / Ener-G II blades were left over and got marked with the black blade model#'s and installed into the black blade model handles... though this does not account for the different steel that was apparently used between the two. Based on what I see, I can only figure that Kershaw decided at some point to use satin blades instead of black blades with no change to the model# (and that is what I dislike, for reasons I think should be obvious). But again, I appreciate all your input on this.

 

[celtic11]

Not sure if this helps but here's a picture of my Ener-G.

Its marked 1740BLK and dated Feb 09 on the tang.

 

[rsngfrce]

Not sure if this helps but here's a picture of my Ener-G.

Its marked 1740BLK and dated Feb 09 on the tang.

Yes, thanks. I just find too many 1790BLK/1790BLKST in existence with satin blades to be able to consider them mis-marked. It IS a different version of the model which is great, but it should have had a different model# to avoid the inevitable confusion, that is my point. It is really difficult for me to understand WHY Kershaw would not have assigned it a different model#, I must admit... the more, the merrier.

(Oh, and it appears at this point from what I can see that this change from a black blade to a satin blade occurred in Feb 09 for both models).

 

[scottabrandeberry]

On the subject of the Ener-G, I always thought that the BLK signified the change to black G-10 from the original gray G-10 with Trac-Tec inserts, but that is just conjecture on my part, not based on anything that I heard or read anywhere.

 

[rsngfrce]

On the subject of the Ener-G, I always thought that the BLK signified the change to black G-10 from the original gray G-10 with Trac-Tec inserts, but that is just conjecture on my part, not based on anything that I heard or read anywhere.

Never (yet, work continues...) willing to consider myself an expert on these things, but from all I have seen regarding Kershaw model numbers, the letters "BLK" or "CKT" indicate a black blade. Adding BLK to a model number COULD make sense to indicate a change to black G-10, but I would say not when the BLK was already being used on this model as an indication of a black blade. Also, if you refer to my (in)Complete list of Kershaw knives thread, there are several examples of Kershaw adding "G10" to a model number to indicate a version with G-10 scales... maybe "BG10" or the like would have been appropriate, but not "BLK" IMO. Honestly, the constancy of Kershaw's letters which follow model#'s is something I think is awesome, which is one reason this bothers me so much (and I won't deny that I could be accused of being anal about this, but it did result in me receiving different knives than I ordered, and the seller was unaware they were satin also...).

 

[rsngfrce]

I came across a picture of the Blur 1670TBLK (black standard blade) today and, to make a long story short, my understanding from I prior thread I found on here is that this is a blem, due to the incorrect model#, but there is no "xxxx" blem designation on the blade... I have added it to the list as such, correct me if I am wrong.

1670TBLK should indicate a black tanto plain blade, which does not currently exist, but I've heard a rumor it may be coming out as a vendor exclusive this year. 1670TBLKST black tanto serrated blade DOES exist at this time.