Lock Strength - Kershaw Leek vs Cold Steel Hold Out III

crom said:
I am neither, I don't use the silly Millennial word, "mall ninja" nor do I take the videos as gospel. I have had a knife in my pocket for about 35 years, so I'm no beginner. I know a good product when I see one.
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Oh really oh wow :eek:

No one especially not me even considered if you were a beginner or not and no one questioned whether you can see a good product when you see one :confused:

I forgot a criteria I suppose: Fans who like and appreciate the tests. There there.

You don't use the label "mall ninja" but use othere labels such as "millennials" and "trolls". What does that mean?
 
Insipid Moniker said:
How is it different other than testing a different aspect of performance? Heck, this aspect is honestly less integral to the performance of the end product than most of the head-to-head testing that goes on, so it can easily be seen as much less offensive to the opposing companies.

You also claim what it is and isn't like without providing any objective criteria. In what way is it unlike the Pepsi Challenge?
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Yeah, I can see that neither of us needs convincing so I will take my own advice. You win though :thumbup:
 
Insipid Moniker said:
This is a logical fallacy called poisoning the well. Please try to argue with logic, not fallacies and ad hominem.
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Where are the fallacies and who decides whether it is or not... You?

....But when someone comes in here to show their disapproval of these tests, then they are trolls right? That's not a ad hominem attack on you and Crom's part? No, of course not.
 
Stays Sharp said:
Yeah, I can see that neither of us needs convincing so I will take my own advice. You win though :thumbup:
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You popped into a thread, made statements, and are refusing to provide evidence or back them up. I'm beginning to see why this kind of testing might bother you.
 
What evidence do I need, and why do I need to give them to YOU? So if I don't share this magic "evidence", you feel like you win? How intellectual of you. You should be smart enough to discern these differences:

Stays Sharp said:
Let's explore the comparisons...

It's more like: Do car makers in their advertising show in house tests of competitor's cars being wrecked and destroyed.

It's more like: Does Boeing crash Airbus jets for public consumption.

It's something like: a PC company showing a competitor's laptop in a comercial overheating.

It's sometig like: Nike showing a busted Reebook with the sole coming off in a basketball shoe commercial.

It's not like: Canon showing inferior pictures from a Nikon.

It's not like: Samsung demonstrating their screen's superiority in a head by head comparison in a commercial.

It's not like: The Pepsi challenge at all... That sort of thing is not what turns people off.

What many do not appreciate is what they perceive as a tasteless below the belt tactic.
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What evidence do you want me to share here? Pepsi's secret papers :p:yawn:
 
Stays Sharp said:
You keep popping in every single testing thread also and I'm sure everyone sees why by now.
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Yup, I like this kind of testing. Personally, I'm hoping one of the other companies will get pissed and build a better lock than the Triad. That'll be good for everyone and shut CS up for a bit.
 
For the record, I always loved the humble backlock and naturally am a big fan of the triad lock. I came to my own conclusions as to why the triad is such an awesome lock. Did not need these but I know that they are in the business of making money and these and other ads they make work for them. AT SOME COST and compromises.
 
Yo Mama said:
Doesn't matter if the company is acting like a douche. I'd rather pay more to a company that has better ethics
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Better ethics? How naive are you? One man's silly actions and posturing, even if that man is the CEO of that company, doesn't reflect the "ethical" aspect of either the product, the company as a whole, or the employees of that company.
 
I've responded to these comments on several threads now.
I am unable to talk about the CRKT lawsuit as it is an active case.
It's frustrating, but it is what it is.


Being passionate about your hobbies, interests and jobs is what makes them fun. Open discussion and debate is encouraged here. I don't expect everyone to like everything we do or for everyone to agree all of the time.
Where's the fun in that? ;)

I personally believe that the world would be a very boring place if we all agreed on the same thing, so I'm OK with discussion, BUT I will ask once more that people remain civil and respectful.
Insulting and derogatory comments are not necessary or welcome.
Derailing threads and throwing insults around is NOT acceptable.
Please take this into consideration when posting.


As many of you know I am pretty new to BF. I'm not sure how other companies choose to manage or moderate their sub-forums.
I respectfully ask people to do some self-moderating while here in the Cold Steel corner. If you REALLY cannot post without insults, mockery, trolling and all the other nonsense. Please take it to Whine and Cheese.
Thanks

Thank you to the mods for their patience
 
In the spirit of good faith, I'll acknowledge a bow out instead of replying. CS Mod reply is good enough for me, and my best wishes to everyone, good evening.
 
asdf12345 said:
Do you agree that most people would be all over a sub-$90 CTS-XHP full size framelock, hell, even slipjoint with decent F&F?

Why not have that knife, but with a lock that's redundantly strong? What do you have to lose?
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Cold steel knives aren't as easy to open, and close because of the stiff back spring. If you use only Cold Steel, or just a few knives you build up some callouses, get used to it, and it's no big deal. If you rotate 40 knives, or more than it becomes more noticeable. On the upside, Cold Steel detent, and thumb stud access is pretty good. I never split the skin on my thumb like I do with some of my CRKTs and Kershaws.
 
mwhich50 said:
Cold steel knives aren't as easy to open, and close because of the stiff back spring. If you use only Cold Steel, or just a few knives you build up some callouses, get used to it, and it's no big deal. If you rotate 40 knives, or more than it becomes more noticeable. On the upside, Cold Steel detent, and thumb stud access is pretty good. I never split the skin on my thumb like I do with some of my CRKTs and Kershaws.
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My CS knives got nothing on my Lionsteel SRIA regarding opening/closing. That knife, though I am enamored with it, has a killer detent and a really stiff lock bar. My Triad knives were initially more difficult to close but have broken in and are now super smooth. I met a local knife maker at one of those "I made it" kind of events. We were talking about his knives and eventually got around to EDC, he had a Spyderco Delica and I had my CS Hold Out 2. I saw him, he had a hard time pushing the lock bar. I think it also has to do with hand strength, I must have gorilla grip because it's no bother to me.
 
crom said:
I met a local knife maker at one of those "I made it" kind of events. We were talking about his knives and eventually got around to EDC, he had a Spyderco Delica and I had my CS Hold Out 2. I saw him, he had a hard time pushing the lock bar. I think it also has to do with hand strength, I must have gorilla grip because it's no bother to me.
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You met a knifemaker who has a hard time opening a Delica? If it is really because of the lockbar being stiff then there is something very wrong with that Delica or this knifemaker has no business making knives when his hands aren't even strong enough to open a plastic lockback knife that's a quarter of an inch thick.
 
No, he was only EDC'ing a Delica. When I handed him my CS, he doubled up his thumb to close it.
 
crom said:
No, he was only EDC'ing a Delica. When I handed him my CS, he doubled up his thumb to close it.
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Oh ok, so it's him and not the knives. It really sounded odd at first, I mean, I know your purpose was to demonstrate from your own experience how CS' are easy to operate compared to a competitor... That's the point of your response mwhich50's critique right?
 
Stays Sharp said:
Oh ok, so it's him and not the knives. It really sounded odd at first, I mean, I know your purpose was to demonstrate from your own experience how CS' are easy to operate compared to a competitor... That's the point of your response mwhich50's critique right?
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Is this an attempt at agitating me into some further online sparring or are you honestly asking me a question based on your need to comprehend? I saw a person having difficulty closing my CS knife, I believe it was him and not the knife as my empirical observations of others handling same knife did not have the same difficulty closing it. I have seen the complaint here that the knives are hard to open/close and I for one, do not have that experience.
"I know your purpose was to demonstrate from your own experience how CS' are easy to operate compared to a competitor"
So now you're a mind reader?
 
crom said:
Is this an attempt at agitating me into some further online sparring or are you honestly asking me a question based on your need to comprehend? I saw a person having difficulty closing my CS knife, I believe it was him and not the knife as my empirical observations of others handling same knife did not have the same difficulty closing it. I have seen the complaint here that the knives are hard to open/close and I for one, do not have that experience.
"I know your purpose was to demonstrate from your own experience how CS' are easy to operate compared to a competitor"
So now you're a mind reader?
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Whoa take it easy man.
 
The more hate Cold Steel gets, the more I love them. The more distaste Cold Steel gets, the more my mouth waters. This got weird super quick.
 
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