locking folders: should they be flick-able?

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I recently bought a cheapo $10 tactical folder to play around with, and with a little practice I can now flick the knife open as fast as a switchblade using a quick wrist swing and a tiny push on the thumbstud, or just a light swing of my forearm. Being new to knives, I'm wondering if higher quality folders are also easily opened like this, or is this knife just loose.
 
Skytorn said:
I recently bought a cheapo $10 tactical folder to play around with, and with a little practice I can now flick the knife open as fast as a switchblade using a quick wrist swing and a tiny push on the thumbstud, or just a light swing of my forearm. Being new to knives, I'm wondering if higher quality folders are also easily opened like this, or is this knife just loose.
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Many quality knives can be flicked and still not have blade wobble. Once you catch the knife buying bug cheapo knives won't do it for you anymore.;)
 
they should not be in NY where I am at. One look at a flipper (anything made by benchmade) and its a weapons charge. I tighten mine up a bit so it would not be perceived as a gravity knife.

It is so bad in NYC, that if you are seen with a pocket clip exposed, it is hand cuffs time. I love the axis lock, but I can't really think how to explain to a cop that it is legal. And no way in hell I am going to spend a night in jail in the city.
 
Flicking knives open is fun, I agree, but I only do that without anyone watching, especially my kids. Some quality manufacturers will flick open quite well, but some manu. do not endorse opening in this style.
 
your not supposed to flick seb's for example.

FWIW ya can flick most any axis/liner/compression/frame/lockback/rolling lock (dont flick a rolling lock though, ya can, but dont!)/liner lock open, thats no problem at all.
 
jackman2 said:
they should not be in NY where I am at. One look at a flipper (anything made by benchmade) and its a weapons charge. I tighten mine up a bit so it would not be perceived as a gravity knife.

It is so bad in NYC, that if you are seen with a pocket clip exposed, it is hand cuffs time. I love the axis lock, but I can't really think how to explain to a cop that it is legal. And no way in hell I am going to spend a night in jail in the city.
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Anyone else in NYC want to confirm this new information? Sight of a pocket clip and you get the bracelets?
 
Chris Reeve says his knives are NOT designed for flicking !!!
Some like my TOPS Thunder Hawke is VERY easy to open with the thumb stud as is my old Camillus.
 
Don Rearic said:
Anyone else in NYC want to confirm this new information? Sight of a pocket clip and you get the bracelets?
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Its bad in nyc but they dont lock you up for a clip. I live in bushwick, brooklyn and its not nice here at nite but rents cheap lol. If your acting up and have a reason for the police to look at you then most likely they will ask you to see the knife. I have had my fare share of fights and cops usually ask you do you have anything sharp in your pants. They 9times out of 10 will pull you to the side and tell you Its the knife or jail. I say bye bye baby. I have lost a couple of nice knives. (2benchmades and a MOD Hornet).

They sucky thing about it is you go out and dont expect to get into any problems so you leave with one of your nice knives just to take it out on the town. And look what happens you lose her. Best bet just leave the hot one home and bring a user. :thumbup:
 
Don Rearic said:
Anyone else in NYC want to confirm this new information? Sight of a pocket clip and you get the bracelets?
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nyc is beyond crazy about knives there seem to be several posts about people dealing with weapon charge issues from supposedly being caught with a pocket clip and then the knife being deemed a weapon by the officer. They pop up on kf with some regularity

but really I lived in nyc for a while carried what i wanted to in my pocket and never had a problem not that i am saying that will be the case for everyone
 
Giving someone the option, "the knife or jail" is simple corruption, it's theft. Just another streetgang the common man has to negotiate with. No one actually believes those knives are being "marked for destruction."
 
In California, a flickable knife is cosidered a gravity knife. If you are lucky it just may be cofiscated(our jails are kinda full. ) or you can go to jail.
 
you should be able to be able to completely flick out a good tactical folder with a comfortable amount of thumb tension, with no wrist movement. and it should not open at all with wrist movement alone.
 
Giving someone the option, "the knife or jail" is simple corruption, it's theft. Just another streetgang the common man has to negotiate with. No one actually believes those knives are being "marked for destruction."
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I had an Endura III taken from me when an officer saw the clip in my backpocket in NYC. Their training the police that any folder that can be flicked open is a gravity knife. It was'nt this way years ago but thats how it is now. What are you going to do- pay thousands for a lawyer to get back a $50-$60 knife ?
When in NYC ony carry a knife that you can afford to lose.
 
If the knife has a hole or thumb stud you should be able to open the knife without waving your arm around unless you just like doing it that way.

You can make a blade fly open with just your thumb. You want to put the tip of your thumb in the hole or under the stud and then flip your thumb upwards, parallel to the knife handle. It is similar to the motion you would make if you wrapped your index finger around the tip of your thumb, applied pressure up with your thumb, and then let your thumb flick open as it overcomes the pressure of your index finger. Just replace your index finger with the opening device and you will fling the blade open like an auto.

I will say that I don't think I would trust doing this with a liner lock much and it is best to only open the knife like that when you are alone. Even with friends you will get funny looks sometimes if they aren't knife people. That or you get the nickname "Blade" like I did. Kind of funny I guess.

After awhile you can learn to control how hard the blade actually opens and open them a little slower. This is probably best for the knife and will make it last longer. I do have a Benchmade 950 Rift with the AXIS lock that I have carried for 3-4 years and probably opened it with a flick 10 times a day on average and it is perfectly fine. There are also the days when I have flicked it open hundreds of times while I am bored and watching TV so I would say it has been opened 20-25K times and still has room for the AXIS lock to self adjust. I'm rambling....

I suggest you look around and then find a knife you like and invest about a 100 bucks in a nice one. Life is too short to carry junk around.
 
My experience is that pivot screws tend to back out of cheaper knives. More expensive knives aren't immune to this either, as I have to locktite emersons and I keep them quite tight.

I dont like to flick. I want my finger on the stud/hole the entire range of motion, in control of it. That is the sole reason I dislike A/O actually. It's also why Im a big fan of the wave / push button autos (ie very quick opening but fingers are on the handle only).
 
To all the NYC "experts" This is the REAL law. The NYC Admin Code prohibits the exposed carry of any knife execpt under certain conditions. A pocket clip has been held by the court to fall under the definition of exposed. This is a offense that can result in the issurance of a criminal court summons for violation of 10-133 of the Admin Code if you have proper ID on you. If the knife can be flicked open, the officer could ( and if a Transit Officer he will) arrest you for CPW 4 for a gravity knife. This is a Class A Misd, but could be a Class E Felony if you have a prior criminal conviction for any offense!
Please do your fellow knife users a favor and do not tell them they will be ok becuase you were on one stop years ago. The CPW is a very serious charge that will elimante many of your rights to own firearms, and on the felony level many other rights. You may have been given a brake by an officer who is second amendment friendly, or just had a hot date and did not want to get stuck late with arresting you, or it was the begining of the month so there was no need to rush making an arrest for the record.....

I don't mean to come off harsh, but I have seen many people end up with a life changing criminal record for a flickable knife, and anyone telling you to just go ahead and do what you want, is not giving good advise, at least not in NY and certainly not in NYC
 
tom19176 said:
To all the NYC "experts" This is the REAL law. The NYC Admin Code prohibits the exposed carry of any knife execpt under certain conditions. A pocket clip has been held by the court to fall under the definition of exposed. This is a offense that can result in the issurance of a criminal court summons for violation of 10-133 of the Admin Code if you have proper ID on you. If the knife can be flicked open, the officer could ( and if a Transit Officer he will) arrest you for CPW 4 for a gravity knife. This is a Class A Misd, but could be a Class E Felony if you have a prior criminal conviction for any offense!
Please do your fellow knife users a favor and do not tell them they will be ok becuase you were on one stop years ago. The CPW is a very serious charge that will elimante many of your rights to own firearms, and on the felony level many other rights. You may have been given a brake by an officer who is second amendment friendly, or just had a hot date and did not want to get stuck late with arresting you, or it was the begining of the month so there was no need to rush making an arrest for the record.....

I don't mean to come off harsh, but I have seen many people end up with a life changing criminal record for a flickable knife, and anyone telling you to just go ahead and do what you want, is not giving good advise, at least not in NY and certainly not in NYC
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Thank you for this post, Tom. I live in NY state (thank God, not in NYC) and am very cautious about carrying my knives. Whether we like it or not, we all must obey the law of the state we are in.

For what it is worth, I've heard that once you are out of NYC, officers are much more tolerant of pocket knives (especially as you head upstate). It's also important to note that officers rarely just come up to a person and seize knives and such. Usually an incident precipitates this.

Remember, it's not the cops to blame. It's the politicians that push nonsense gun-control laws and emphasize a mentality of fear and helplessness. No wonder NY state is losing its best and brightest year after year. I was born and raised in the state but I don't see myself living here for much longer.
 
Saying anything negative about NYC will bring on a cacophony of defenses about it but I have no idea why anyone who likes guns or knives would continue to stay there. I know, I've heard it before, "But you don't know..." :::lifting butt up and ripping one off::: don't care! Big Cheese in NYPD came down to Baltimore City to be the Police Chief here and got sent to prison for buying his mistress, a local TV twit, a bunch of stuff on the city's dime. That kind of corruption starts with this type of activity.
 
Your welcome. I am a former NYC LEO and in my day no one would ever arrest a guy for simple knife possession. Today, however, it is considered a good arrest. In the Transit system, the officers look for the pocket clips and belt pouches, and take you aside to issue a summons for the knife as per the Admin Code. Once they can flcik it open, of it is a weapon by design ( blade type), or you make a statement that you carry it as a weapon ( including self defense), then you will be arrested for CPW4.

I plan on moving out of NY and maybe to New Hampsire where there is a new law being pushed to make all knives legal, and their gun laws are already great...I hear the fresh water fishing is good too!

Like I said I am a strong second amendment type of guy, but there are many who are not, and all the NYPD officers in the last ten years grew up going through metal detectors at school and hearing all weapons were evil, so you get the idea.....
 
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