Long time coming...A wootz kukri.

I for whatever reason, am not attracted to wootz, or damascus anymore.

Thank you for sharing that!

I guess if it was yours, as its wootz you could always heat it up to 800c & watch the carbides melt into the matrix creating mono steel, than can never be returned to wootz again...

But personally I wont be doing that! :D

Cheers Bawanna!

Spiral
 
You pull something like that spiral and I'll be looking for you to dish out one major spanking Mr. I have no doubt you feel horrible even suggesting such an heinous idea but you've been warned.

Take special good care of that one. It's very special.
 
You pull something like that spiral and I'll be looking for you to dish out one major spanking Mr. I have no doubt you feel horrible even suggesting such an heinous idea but you've been warned.

Take special good care of that one. It's very special.

:D I bet! But no not I!

I do bet its happened when fakers have cut up damaged wootz tulwars to make a few daggers though! There face must be a picture after cutting grinding & tempering.... They probably keep re etching waiting for the wootz to appear again... not realising its gone for ever.

Then the slow realisation will dawn.

spiral
 
The only reason I said that, was I was excited, then I looked and I realized I've lost my care for it.
 
we all have things that can draw our interest for a time, then slowly fade-- I don't even know why I find it so interesting, I think just because I appreciate the factors that came together to make it possible? not sure.
 
we all have things that can draw our interest for a time, then slowly fade-- I don't even know why I find it so interesting, I think just because I appreciate the factors that came together to make it possible? not sure.
I just like carbides! No matter how you stack um are pile em up carbides are cool:thumbup:
Carbide k-bobs, carbide ettoufet, carbide gumbo, carbide sprinkles on top of a Guinness float, carbide on a stick....mmmmm
 
Some wootz can be more beautiful as well ... but straight forward Indian crystalline is stronger & tougher than the prophets ladder & rose types....{all other things being equal.}

spiral.
 
was indian steel truly the best in the world ?

Would love to hear from someone who knows the sciences behind knifeworking. From what I understand, modern smelters usually do not get hot enough to remove all the impurities, and since steel is sometimes recycled, the result is cumulative? India once had a forge that got increasingly hot as metal beaded the interior of it's clay dome and further reflected heat back in.

And since we don't know what was contained in the original ore veins, or ingots used to produce "iron" and "steel" at the time; well it's a mystery what alloys different regions were famous for.

I read an article that was talking about how old traditionally forged and hand-hammered steel had (at least in the sample that was from Europe) carbon nano-tubes form which increased resilience of the metal and created a sort of microscopic saw on the edge. Accidentally high-tech! Or so low-tech it's cutting-edge!
 
That's a lot of wootz! Gorgeous.
Have you tried to cut a piece of falling silk with it yet?
 
Abdelhazred, I would think modern smelters could make steel of great quality if they so wished, 30 years ago I worked in an iron foundry, for high quality melts pig iron was the initial source... for lower quality stuff they would through in up to 10% scrap iron. {generaly it depended on whether the customer would test the product.}

HJK no not yet, it would need a light sharpening & then re.etching, that will happen at some time {the etching anyway.}, but not something I am in a rush to do... Ill do it when I have plenty of spare time & good clarity . {nothing else on my mind.} so I don't damage it , that would be disrespectful after its long journey!!

Although the blade profile would easily get to that point of sharpness I don't think it was an exhibition silk cutter, I think it was a slicer & perhaps even primarily a sticker {defiantly not a chopper.}{ Incidentally I believe T spines were often used to force through iron chain mail.} But literally if you dropped it from 3ft high I think it could pin ones foot to the floor!

Thanks Doug! I love it!

was indian steel truly the best in the world ?

Wow what a question! Threads have been closed & people banned on some forums in that argument!

But ill give you my take on it.;)

At the peak of its popularity say 1600 to 1866 {Although in existence since around 300 bc} when the British banned is further manufacture in India { supposedly to limit deforestation! But also around the time we started exporting vast amounts of Sheffield steel. {Seems nothing changes in Political economics} The best of Indian wootz was probably the best for weapons used against flesh. It sharpness is bity due to the carbide spots in the matrix.

Some wootz was better than others, Northen Indian wootz was the most sought after & was preferred by weapon smiths from Syria to Persia to Bengal.

But even different cakes of wootz could vary depending on skill of the crucible masters & a bad smith could make it weak by poor hammering out & folding skills.

The fanciest patterns that the smith can make like the prophets ladder, because of the removal of steell or depressing it against its longitudular grain can be much weaker, sadly.

Indian wootz is often 1.5 carbon, but usually tests at only 35 to 40 Rockwell because the testing measures the matrix not those hard little carbibes! { it contains many side elements as well.

Some modern steels would no doubt be better for hacking & chopping or for overall hardness & I am sure other qualities.

wootz required much skill to work, hand picked & sorted ore, leave & timber from particular trees, melted in sealed crucibles into small lumps, slowly cooled, then hammered out into bars then folded in half { all at fairly low tempratures.} to leave the join along the spine. {for greater elasticity etc.}

At any stages this could go wrong if the sorter, the caster or the smiths were less than exact.

So for me, yes the best Indian crystalline wootz, was the best for weapons used in the manner & place in time that they were.

I think Its watered surface & exactin forging also show the slow magic that made it!

spiral
 
truly magic, if the effort and endeavor count for anything, very few things on earth took as much specific work to create.
 
Indeed! & it cuts flesh better than any steel...

This actual kukri lines up in the hand like a fencing sword though...

Im a fan as you can tell! ;)

spiral
 
I have a single piece of wootz, but I am not entirely certain of it-- I will post a picture in the next few days for you, it is a pesh-kabz with wootz blade and a jade grip. it may just be a very good pattern weld
 
The wootz tulwar I had had a big forge weld splat in the center of the blade, and that thing would cut...hard targets too (1" hardwood dowel, for one...yeah, I know..:)... I was 23 and didn't know any better). Amazing how tough it was.
 
found this after you mentioned it spiral-- in the spirit of the thread



example of fine prophet's ladder wootz

from akaal arms sold list

JW what happened to that thing? did you get rid of it or lose it ?
 
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Man how wicked cool is that. That boggles the mind right there. I want a micro bowie out of that stuff.
 
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