if you can provide details , i.e. which bits and which product number (exact clear info) , then i can call and ask wiha HQ .
at this point, your info isn't confirmed and we feel tr*lled s*rry
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at this point, your info isn't confirmed and we feel tr*lled s*rry
No intent to troll you at all, just provide real world information. Read the third paragraph under their own page as provided.
Wiha Tools USA
Selling Wiha made screwdrivers, bits, pliers, and hex keys in the USA since 1985. Wiha tools are built to last and loved by professionals around the world. Tools That work for you.
wihausa.tools
I realize it does not spell out Asia perse that said instead of spoiling for a fight spend your time and energy researching instead of jumping up and down saying "it cannot be!" I have tens of thousands of dollars invested in tools, that as a micro mechanic in fine instrument repair, I use daily to earn my living. No small amout of that investment has been in Wiha over the years so it is not a statement made from a position of ignorance or trolling. That said it was with good intent I attempted to help others avoid the trap I discovered. I have better things to do with my time than try to convince people that are blinded by passion or ignorance of the truth, or lack thereof, in transparency in manufacturing today. I wish you well and say again, do your own unbiased research, we have tools at our disposal for that and Caveat Emptor.
ETA read paragraph 3 under quality whats this about 90%?!?!?!
10% is Czech or sumting, caht remember from my last conversation. anyway we're talking about Torx and not about wihaingeneral. and they were clear on the phone that some wiha stuff (but not the TORX!!) is made in Czech.
as long as you caht provide exact product no.'s of the Torx bits (which i then can discuss in particular with wiha CEO) your claims are worthless.
i am the one to verify and confirm. just gimme what i need to make the call. i am in gemani, not living far away from wiha HQ.
more importantly, if the TORX-set product says "made in gemani", then the entire tool (handle/holder, and all the bits) are made in gemani. (i've seen wiha-branded suspicious driver sets on bangg**d (and they doht have any "made in gemani" marking anywhere!) and asked Wiha HQ about them and they said)
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Eklind and Wiha have been my go-to for years. I broke a Wiha T8 and a T10 on waaay overtorqued scope rings, but by the design of the tool, I still have usable real-estate. I haven't bothered replacing them because they still function as designed.
No intent to troll you at all, just provide real world information. Read the third paragraph under their own page as provided.
Wiha Tools USA
Selling Wiha made screwdrivers, bits, pliers, and hex keys in the USA since 1985. Wiha tools are built to last and loved by professionals around the world. Tools That work for you.
I realize it does not spell out Asia perse that said instead of spoiling for a fight spend your time and energy researching instead of jumping up and down saying "it cannot be!" I have tens of thousands of dollars invested in tools, that as a micro mechanic in fine instrument repair, I use daily to earn my living. No small amout of that investment has been in Wiha over the years so it is not a statement made from a position of ignorance or trolling. That said it was with good intent I attempted to help others avoid the trap I discovered. I have better things to do with my time than try to convince people that are blinded by passion or ignorance of the truth, or lack thereof, in transparency in manufacturing today. I wish you well and say again, do your own unbiased research, we have tools at our disposal for that and Caveat Emptor.
ETA read paragraph 3 under quality whats this about 90%?!?!?!
i was all set to buy another couple wiha drivers when i saw this info in some amazon comments, i confirned and changed my order to wera drivers. they are fantastic
That's what you call: good reputation. It's earned.
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I got better
but you may buy wiha
Ok, sure you do.
True, and left unchecked and accounted for, it is also exactly how manufacturers are able to make changes in challenging economic times to procedures and processes. Usually unbeknownst to its loyal followers, that willingly choose to disengage in critical free thinking. Reputation is good for a base line but not infalliable...
Yes, if they want to lose it. Doing as you describe is very stupid for any company with a good reputation. Sadly, many are more worried about meeting their bottom line and just being "good enough."
I would rather have a very hard driver at a size that's on the high end of tolerance which grips the fastener tightly and stays that way. Even if it occasionally snaps off. Rather than a too-soft one that wears and gets ever-looser, causing the fastener to also wear and eventually causing cam-out and stripping of the fastener head. I don't mind replacing a driver now and then due to failure if I am cranking too hard on it. I do NOT want to have to futz around with trying to get a fastener with a stripped head out on a regular basis, nor to constantly be replacing fasteners for insurance. (Fastener quality is important also).
I have snapped a couple Wiha drivers in the past. That was MY fault, not theirs. Hopefully their quality will stay as it always has been. About the only way to beat a Wiha would be to make my own and heat treat them myself. Not something I'd look forward to doing, very time consuming.
The $99.00 Wiha set I wanted to buy on Amazon listed China as country of origin. I also visited a website that sells german tools and they said they stopped selling some Wiha bits because they were made in China. They do continue to sell german and czech made Wiha products. I prefer US made but am having a hard time finding anything that does not have a high risk of being made in China.
Transparency about manufacturing origin even among so called reputable companies is almost non existent. I feel like they are waiting for the first chance they get to jump on the cheap labor bandwagon.
I have good luck with Eikland hex drivers. Maybe they make a quality US made torx set. Vise grip is now Taiwan made. That was a surprise. What happened to the workers who used to make them in the US.
Transparency about manufacturing origin even among so called reputable companies is almost non existent. I feel like they are waiting for the first chance they get to jump on the cheap labor bandwagon.
I have good luck with Eikland hex drivers. Maybe they make a quality US made torx set. Vise grip is now Taiwan made. That was a surprise. What happened to the workers who used to make them in the US.
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orly?
i doht know all wiha factory sites (they're in gemani and czech) but i have a direct phone line to wiha HQ which is nowhere but in gemani.
FAIR ENOUGH: just post the ASIN and the seller url and I'll go ahead and verify the veracity of your post (I've done this checking service before and it turned out that the pos*er was full of it and just trolling the thread).
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Try this one, it says country of origin China, but it's just flat head and Phillips head screwdrivers, not Torx:
ASIN: B000FV62SS
This Torx set on the other hand shows country of origin Germany.
Generally I'd say caveat emptor. Watch to make sure the tools are made in Germany and they should be the same as always. Don't buy the made in China ones. I would say if you vote with your wallet they'll get the idea, but you'll probably be outvoted by the morons who wouldn't know a quality tool if it bit them on the @$$.
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This is the set I have.
Wiha 36291 Screwdriver Set, Torx, 6 Piece https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002C582AQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_6HCGCHYEYHJQMTKY6FCA
Wiha 36291 Screwdriver Set, Torx, 6 Piece https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002C582AQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_6HCGCHYEYHJQMTKY6FCA
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Wiha are definitely the best, especially if you want bits (not allen wrenches or individual screwdrivers). Wera are also very good, but I had problems with a couple of their T6s bits.
Recently I bought a Klein Tools but set from Amazon and it seems to be well made, although I am pretty sure it is made in China.
Recently I bought a Klein Tools but set from Amazon and it seems to be well made, although I am pretty sure it is made in China.
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I own a Wiha set, but I've also had good luck with a 32-bit "Moray" set from "ifixit. "
Cannot say where the ifixit set was made, but I'd guess it's China. Nonetheless, the ifixit bits engage as well as those from Wiha, and have backed out many a Loctited Torx screw without stripping or deformation.
I also have sets from Chapman and Brownell's, both of which are first-rate, too.
Cannot say where the ifixit set was made, but I'd guess it's China. Nonetheless, the ifixit bits engage as well as those from Wiha, and have backed out many a Loctited Torx screw without stripping or deformation.
I also have sets from Chapman and Brownell's, both of which are first-rate, too.
It's seems to be a mixed bag to me. On the Wiha website I purchased only the bits that listed made in Germany. The 2 pack power bits from T10 upwards has the infamous
WIHA Exclusive CRM-72 S2 Modified Tool Steel
Guaranteed Quality Made by Wiha
The 2 pack power bit packs from T9 and below list as
WIHA High Performance CRM-72 Tool Steel
Guaranteed Quality - Made In Germany
I can't find any of their multi bit sets list on the Wiha USA website as being made in Germany. I suspect the sets may be a mixture of German and other country/countries of manufacture.
I find it interesting with the power bits that the larger ones have no listed country of origin. Maybe the manufacturing requirements of the smaller bits are better suited to German quality control. I don't know.
I have to say a lot of their torx stuff has no country of origin listed.
The folliowing is on their website but if you read this carefully you will note they are careful not to say all of their tools are made in Germany.
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"Made in Germany" is a world renowned label of origin, which stands as a seal of quality for services and goods produced in Germany. Since 1891 “Made in Germany” products represent precision, trust, and innovation and is one of the decisive purchasing factors for many consumers.
Wiha prides itself as the leader in the manufacturing of German hand tools and it's by no accident. Through thoughtful development, design, production, and quality assurance Wiha stands for German quality. As a family owned business drawing from over 80 years of experience and wisdom, Wiha continues carrying on the legacy by engineering tools that are innovative, long lasting, and comfortable to use. Tools that work for you.
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The FAQ on the website has no information concerning where their tools are made. That should be a prime FAQ.
I don't trust the Ebay listings that list Germany as country of origin and I don't even know if the ebay sets are genuine Wiha or not. I don't entirely trust Amazon either however I don't see any advantage to them by listing a $99.00 Wiha set as being made in China either. It could be a mistake but it's not the first time I heard it. This is why I went to the Wiha USA site and bought my bits directly from them. I brought only the ones listed as made in Germany. I did spend some money.
For the T10 and above sizes I brought two Eiklind folding torx sets from MSC industrial "Made in USA subject to change" ????????? I hope they are US made. Maybe I should have brought directly from Eiklind ? My problem is all of these simple tools are so easy to duplicate I am unsure of what is what.
The way I see it is the avoidance of directly telling people the country of origin points towards a desire to move production oversees while holding on to customers that don't want to buy products made with cheap labor.
I saw this kind of behavior when Oakley (formerly a staunch USA manufacturer) moved production of their sunglasses overseas after being bought out.
This is from the KC tools website (German tool oriented)
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KC Tool is America’s leading German Tool distributor. We specialize in German Tools and besides a couple products we produce ourselves, we only sell German brands of tools. The question of where the tools are made comes up occasionally and can be a source of great debate. In an ideal world, the German tool brands we sell would manufacture all of their tools in Germany but unfortunately this is not the case. Brands such as Gedore and Knipex manufacture nearly all of their tools in Germany whereas others like Wera are almost exclusively produced outside of Germany. Wiha has factories in Germany and many other countries. So the big question is:
We know it matters to some of you and we understand why it does so we make sure to list the country of origin on each tool we sell. Just click on the Country of Origin tab on the product page to see where that tool is manufactured or in some cases where each part of a set is manufactured.
When a tool is made in Germany it gives you that sense of confidence to know you’re buying an extremely high quality tool. Our main goal at KC Tool is for our customers to have that same feeling when shopping with us. We strive to make sure every tool we sell is extremely high quality and our hope is to gain your trust that even if the tool is manufactured outside of Germany, you are still getting the same innovative design and quality tool steel you expect from a German tool.
Again, if you are committed to MADE IN GERMANY, we get it, and we have a huge selection of tools made in Germany but we may still try to encourage you from time to time to try some amazing tools designed in Germany but produced elsewhere like the Wiha BiCut high leverage cutters (forged in Vietnam) or the Wera Joker Ratcheting Wrenches (Czech Republic).
Of course we would like you to buy all of our tools so we want you to know, even our tools that are not made in Germany are extremely high quality. We started allowing customers to review our tools at www.kctoolco.com a couple years ago and after analyzing the data we found there is no distinguishable trend between our tools made in Germany and the German designed tools made elsewhere.
We are proud of the tools we sell and that they almost always get amazing reviews. It has also helped us weed out a few tools that don’t meet our quality requirements. If a tool gets a couple negative reviews we simply stop selling it. We used to sell a lot of these Wiha powered screwdrivers but removed them from our website once we realized the driver was made in China. Again, our goal is to offer a store where you can shop with the utmost confidence and know you’ll be receiving the highest quality tools with no disappointments.
Made in Germany, or designed there and produced elsewhere, we know you will be thrilled with the quality of all the tools we sell.
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I like candor. I think most of their stuff is good but to say Wiha make all of their tools exclusively in Germany is just not true. This is one example.
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made in Veitnam
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I am sure there are other examples but I am not going to make an attempt to list them all.
I must admit after browsing this website (KC) it seems that a lot of Wiha's stuff (perhaps most) is German made. I like this site so much I just purchased about $98.00 worth of German Wiha stuff. (60 in lbs torquefix screwdriver handle pricy at 79.19 and a couple of #10 winged torx wrenches $7.00 I chose to pay extra for shipping instead of free) They have a sale.
WIHA Exclusive CRM-72 S2 Modified Tool Steel
Guaranteed Quality Made by Wiha
The 2 pack power bit packs from T9 and below list as
WIHA High Performance CRM-72 Tool Steel
Guaranteed Quality - Made In Germany
I can't find any of their multi bit sets list on the Wiha USA website as being made in Germany. I suspect the sets may be a mixture of German and other country/countries of manufacture.
I find it interesting with the power bits that the larger ones have no listed country of origin. Maybe the manufacturing requirements of the smaller bits are better suited to German quality control. I don't know.
I have to say a lot of their torx stuff has no country of origin listed.
The folliowing is on their website but if you read this carefully you will note they are careful not to say all of their tools are made in Germany.
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"Made in Germany" is a world renowned label of origin, which stands as a seal of quality for services and goods produced in Germany. Since 1891 “Made in Germany” products represent precision, trust, and innovation and is one of the decisive purchasing factors for many consumers.
Wiha prides itself as the leader in the manufacturing of German hand tools and it's by no accident. Through thoughtful development, design, production, and quality assurance Wiha stands for German quality. As a family owned business drawing from over 80 years of experience and wisdom, Wiha continues carrying on the legacy by engineering tools that are innovative, long lasting, and comfortable to use. Tools that work for you.
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The FAQ on the website has no information concerning where their tools are made. That should be a prime FAQ.
I don't trust the Ebay listings that list Germany as country of origin and I don't even know if the ebay sets are genuine Wiha or not. I don't entirely trust Amazon either however I don't see any advantage to them by listing a $99.00 Wiha set as being made in China either. It could be a mistake but it's not the first time I heard it. This is why I went to the Wiha USA site and bought my bits directly from them. I brought only the ones listed as made in Germany. I did spend some money.
For the T10 and above sizes I brought two Eiklind folding torx sets from MSC industrial "Made in USA subject to change" ????????? I hope they are US made. Maybe I should have brought directly from Eiklind ? My problem is all of these simple tools are so easy to duplicate I am unsure of what is what.
The way I see it is the avoidance of directly telling people the country of origin points towards a desire to move production oversees while holding on to customers that don't want to buy products made with cheap labor.
I saw this kind of behavior when Oakley (formerly a staunch USA manufacturer) moved production of their sunglasses overseas after being bought out.
This is from the KC tools website (German tool oriented)
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KC Tool is America’s leading German Tool distributor. We specialize in German Tools and besides a couple products we produce ourselves, we only sell German brands of tools. The question of where the tools are made comes up occasionally and can be a source of great debate. In an ideal world, the German tool brands we sell would manufacture all of their tools in Germany but unfortunately this is not the case. Brands such as Gedore and Knipex manufacture nearly all of their tools in Germany whereas others like Wera are almost exclusively produced outside of Germany. Wiha has factories in Germany and many other countries. So the big question is:
DOES IT MATTER?
We know it matters to some of you and we understand why it does so we make sure to list the country of origin on each tool we sell. Just click on the Country of Origin tab on the product page to see where that tool is manufactured or in some cases where each part of a set is manufactured.
When a tool is made in Germany it gives you that sense of confidence to know you’re buying an extremely high quality tool. Our main goal at KC Tool is for our customers to have that same feeling when shopping with us. We strive to make sure every tool we sell is extremely high quality and our hope is to gain your trust that even if the tool is manufactured outside of Germany, you are still getting the same innovative design and quality tool steel you expect from a German tool.
Again, if you are committed to MADE IN GERMANY, we get it, and we have a huge selection of tools made in Germany but we may still try to encourage you from time to time to try some amazing tools designed in Germany but produced elsewhere like the Wiha BiCut high leverage cutters (forged in Vietnam) or the Wera Joker Ratcheting Wrenches (Czech Republic).
Of course we would like you to buy all of our tools so we want you to know, even our tools that are not made in Germany are extremely high quality. We started allowing customers to review our tools at www.kctoolco.com a couple years ago and after analyzing the data we found there is no distinguishable trend between our tools made in Germany and the German designed tools made elsewhere.
We are proud of the tools we sell and that they almost always get amazing reviews. It has also helped us weed out a few tools that don’t meet our quality requirements. If a tool gets a couple negative reviews we simply stop selling it. We used to sell a lot of these Wiha powered screwdrivers but removed them from our website once we realized the driver was made in China. Again, our goal is to offer a store where you can shop with the utmost confidence and know you’ll be receiving the highest quality tools with no disappointments.
Made in Germany, or designed there and produced elsewhere, we know you will be thrilled with the quality of all the tools we sell.
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I like candor. I think most of their stuff is good but to say Wiha make all of their tools exclusively in Germany is just not true. This is one example.
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Wiha 72579 T27 Torx Contractor Insert Bit (30 Piece Bulk Pack)
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I am sure there are other examples but I am not going to make an attempt to list them all.
I must admit after browsing this website (KC) it seems that a lot of Wiha's stuff (perhaps most) is German made. I like this site so much I just purchased about $98.00 worth of German Wiha stuff. (60 in lbs torquefix screwdriver handle pricy at 79.19 and a couple of #10 winged torx wrenches $7.00 I chose to pay extra for shipping instead of free) They have a sale.
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I got all my stuff in. Every Wiha item was made in Germany and the Eiklind made in USA. The torque driver needs some sort of adapter ? to insert bits.
Wiha bits fit the Chapman driver and ratchet but they are loose. Chapman has a spring loaded ball bearing on their bits (I hate proprietary when it comes to common tools) for retention. If you want to use a Chapman driver you will have to slide some paper or something between the bit and driver to shim it snug.
Wiha bits did not fit my cheap imported driver set mini handle at all.
Thankfully Brownells magnetic gun screw driver handles work perfectly.
I think the Whiha 2 pack power driver bits (70mm long and fits a standard1/4 driver) in 6 and 10 torx (I opted for 2 winged handle German made Whiha #10 torx drivers I am not sure their 10 torx and up power drivers are German but thats just me) or whatever other size/sizes are needed with a Brownells magnetic gun screwdriver handle (or other?) would make a good starter knife tool kit at a reasonable price. That would give you 2 of every bit you need in high quality. I hate to say this but keep in mind Brownells can take forever it they don't have something in stock ready to ship however I find their stuff to be really good.
American made 1/4 driver handles can probably be found easily. Having a handle and driver bits allows you to slowly build up your set of bits to suite your needs.
The US made (subject to change as per website ?) Eiklind 22572 steel folding torx driver set has sizes T6, T7, T8, T9, T10, T15, and T20. It's small and convenient. This is my first Eiklind torx set and it's US made. I haven't used this too much yet however I can say from experience that all Eiklind hex ket sets I have used in the past and present are better quality than other's I have used. If the torx are the same quality as their hex sets (I think they probably are) I would be very happy. These sets are convenient, compact, hassle free, easy to store and carry space savers it they have all the bits you need. I would get 2 sets to have an extra as backup.
Wiha bits fit the Chapman driver and ratchet but they are loose. Chapman has a spring loaded ball bearing on their bits (I hate proprietary when it comes to common tools) for retention. If you want to use a Chapman driver you will have to slide some paper or something between the bit and driver to shim it snug.
Wiha bits did not fit my cheap imported driver set mini handle at all.
Thankfully Brownells magnetic gun screw driver handles work perfectly.
I think the Whiha 2 pack power driver bits (70mm long and fits a standard1/4 driver) in 6 and 10 torx (I opted for 2 winged handle German made Whiha #10 torx drivers I am not sure their 10 torx and up power drivers are German but thats just me) or whatever other size/sizes are needed with a Brownells magnetic gun screwdriver handle (or other?) would make a good starter knife tool kit at a reasonable price. That would give you 2 of every bit you need in high quality. I hate to say this but keep in mind Brownells can take forever it they don't have something in stock ready to ship however I find their stuff to be really good.
American made 1/4 driver handles can probably be found easily. Having a handle and driver bits allows you to slowly build up your set of bits to suite your needs.
The US made (subject to change as per website ?) Eiklind 22572 steel folding torx driver set has sizes T6, T7, T8, T9, T10, T15, and T20. It's small and convenient. This is my first Eiklind torx set and it's US made. I haven't used this too much yet however I can say from experience that all Eiklind hex ket sets I have used in the past and present are better quality than other's I have used. If the torx are the same quality as their hex sets (I think they probably are) I would be very happy. These sets are convenient, compact, hassle free, easy to store and carry space savers it they have all the bits you need. I would get 2 sets to have an extra as backup.
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