looking for a quality, no-frills milk or whey protein supplement

NickWheeler said:
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For me, that is to gain size and strength. In order to get enough protein it is both CHEAPER and MORE CONVENIENT for me to add two to three protein drinks a day to my intake than to simply rely on food.

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The cost and convenience factors appear to be difficult for some to comprehend for some reason.

Many protein powders are simply cheaper per gram protein than procuring and preparing lean meats.
 
NickWheeler said:
Get 80% of your diet in the way of quality food, and boost it up with a quality protein powder.... and don't forget to take a good multivitamin. :)
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Supplements should be just that as Nick has pointed out. A multivitamin isn't a replacement for vegetables or any other part of your diet but, they are a good additional supplement.

Protein powders have a good place in a lot of diets too. I'm so sick of soy bean oil in peanut butter that protein bars and powders are attractive. Sure, a good steak would be nice but the expense, prep time, and time to actually eat can be a problem for many including myself. I think the hens have put a bounty on my head considering the number of eggs I routinely eat.
 
Thanks guys :)

About the only lean protein FOOD that's cheap is eggs. It does happen to have one of the highest biological values of high protein food sources available..... but how many eggs can you eat? I go through 98 a week, on average. I've been known to go through 250 in a week though, lol :)

Speaking of food, I've got 10 oz. of lean beef and 2 cups of broccoli to go eat. :D
 
I think a lot of us tend to forget that though there may be 'macro' nutrients in various supplements, can your body assimilate them?

If you think about it, we have one of the most complex chemical factories in the universe between out mouths and the other 'exhaust' end. That factory, our stomachs, bowels, liver, etc., can extract just about every nutrient needed from very few food items. Remember, only five plants--corn, beans, rice, potatos, and wheat--basically feed the world and have for centuries. Simple combos like potatos and eggs, rice and beans, and several others are virtually nutritionally complete. I used to be a big beef eater in my younger years but rarely eat it now and prefer chicken, eggs, turkey, pork, and fish. I'm a widower, small acerage farmer, and part time LEO, thus a busy beaver. I can cook but can't say I really enjoy it but it's amazing how quickly you can crank out some tasty meals with a countertop electric grill and a crock pot.

Anyway, bottom line. I do NOT agree with supplements and vitamins. It's been proven your body will absorb only what it needs from such items and most are extreted without being utilized. Therefore, IMO, they're a waste of money. Have a mashed bean and cheese sandwich on whole wheat bread, wash it down with a glass of quality beer, and you've taken in some good nutrition. Let some others keep the health food stores in business.
 
Old CW4 said:
Have a mashed bean and cheese sandwich on whole wheat bread, wash it down with a glass of quality beer, and you've taken in some good nutrition.
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Sorry, I thought we were talking about increasing lean tissue, I didn't know we just were talking about being a big fat guy. :)

If a guy has the genetics to eat like that AND be in good shape then color me envious. :)
 
Jarrow Formulas whey protein is a good supplement. Every morning I mix a scoop of that, a scoop of Natures Way Alive nutrient mix, some creatine, some glucosamine, and a couple bananas in the blender with coconut milk and kefir. And then I don't eat anything except Clif bars, beef jerky, espresso, and water until dinner.
 
I am on the flip side. I am 6'3", and have stuck around 375. I have all kinds of health problems from my obesity. You are not underweight for your height, but 20 lbs and you might be, and might get health problems.

You don't want to go after the bad stuff. No mayo, no butter etc. Your body might not be able to handle it. Some people have a huge appetite like myself, others only a small appetite. It might be something in your head, not in your stomach. I would start eating breads, meats, dairy etc. Plan out your meals like I should, at least I am starting to. Go for pastas, cereals etc. You can get whole grain pasta, vegetable pasta, lean beef, lean pork. Whole grain rice. As a diabetic, I have had to give bread up (I still stray), but if I have more than a bite of bread, I get ill. Bread is probably the number one enemy for me right now.
 
Well, Nick, that sandwich and the beer total up to about 600 calories. If you can't burn that off in a day of activity you need to get off the couch.
 
silenthunterstudios said:
As a diabetic, I have had to give bread up (I still stray), but if I have more than a bite of bread, I get ill. Bread is probably the number one enemy for me right now.
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Even with whole-grain breads? I get mine from a local German bakery, and they taste a thousand times better than any of that sweetened stuff from the grocery store. Another alternative I am planning on looking into is a breadmaker machine.
 
Yea that's it old cw4.

I eat 7 meals a day at around 3600 calories and I will work out alongside ANYONE. I've never seen anyone workout harder than I do in the two gyms I've worked in, or the dozens I've worked out in over the last 16 years. Or any of the jobs I've had.

But 7 meals of crap like that would make me get fat and lose strength.

But you're right, I probably need to drink beer and get off the couch. Thanks for school'n me :thumbup:
 
go to www.bodybuilding.com ...this site is the ultimate site for anyone who needs info about supplements. Right now, "ON Whey Isolate" is the best, most efficient protein out there. Check it out.
 
Okay... sorry to have had that little peeing match with oldcw4... not my intention.

Back to the OP.

Diet is first and foremost.

Just to give you an example, this is what I ate today. I am 31, 5'10" and 230 lb.

Meal 1- 6 egg whites + 2 of the yolks, 5oz. of LEAN beef, 1/2 cup oats.

Meal 2- 2 scoops UMP

Meal 3- 10oz. chicken breast, an 8oz. sweet potato, and 2 cups vegetables

Meal 4- same as 2

Meal 5 - 10 oz. of fish, and a salad with 2 cups romaine/1 roma tomato/a half cucumber/2 tlbs low sugar salad dressing

Meal 6 - 10 egg whites with 2 yolks, 1/2 onion and 1/2 red bell pepper (all cooked together)


With this kind of diet, you can build up your lean tissue and decrease bodyfat. Old school methodology will tell you that you need to "bulk up and then cut" but it's simply not true, and most often just results in somebody getting fat and THINKING they're getting bigger.

I'm heavier right now than I want to be, and that's because I've allowed a lot of junk food over the last few months due to family stress and such. Just excuses at the end of the day, and we know what excuses get you. ;) :)


I've been doing this stuff since I was 14, and I know that I NEED to eat this way and workout like a maniac to make gains. Especially when you've got a mom that was always 120# and a dad that was always 170#. :)

Nothing has been easy, nothing has been free. It's all one step at a time and brutally hard work. I put almost as much effort into eating and having my meals all prepared in advance, as I do working out. It all takes time and patience... it sure as hell doesn't happen overnight.

Enter my favorite quote:

"A year from now, you'll wish you had started today." :)
 
Well, Nick, come visit me in the NM mountains. We'll each don a pack stufed with 100 lbs of rocks and go for a 50 mile stroll why up there, nine to eleven thousand feet, with NO food or water. Nothing to distract us but humping it and the enjoyment of nature. What to try it? It will make those gym workouts seem mild by comparison and gee, I only eat one meal a day and have for 60 years or more.
 
I'm not sure why you're trying to egg me on. I tried to drop it and get back to the OP's question.

I've done plenty of things like packed quartered elk out of the hills here, climbed to the top of Mt. St. Helens several times.... lots of things like that, but that has nothing to do with the OP's post. It has everything to do with you thinking you're putting me in my place.

Eating once a day is absolutely the wrong thing to do NO MATTER what a person's goals are. And dehydrating yourself is even worse.

Whether it's a woman trying to be thin, or a man trying to be big and strong or anything in between. It puts the body into a starvation mode and tells it to hang onto every little bit it ingests... and mostly store is as fat while your lean muscle cells are atrophying from lack of proper nutrition.

If it works for you, then just like your full head of hair at 75, you are a genetic wonder and FAR FAR FAR from what would work for the average man.

I worked as a trainer for several years and helped dozens of both men and women get leaner, stronger, and more fit. The number one thing we changed in their diet was having them eat several smaller meals in a day.

It's just like a fire... put a big, fat wet log on the fire (your one big meal) and it smoulders... put a lot of small pieces of wood on the fire and it will burn much, much hotter.

I do things to get bigger and stronger....which is what the OP is shooting for. So no, I have no desire to go on a hike like that with no food or water. :)
 
I like Champion nutrition Whey stack. Tastes great, digests just fine and mixes acceptably. I use it as a snack and sometimes I add it to my breakfast.
 
I seem to remember reading that "isolate" is favorable (higher quality) to "concentrate". If so, why?
 
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