looking for a quality, no-frills milk or whey protein supplement

I was going to say Protein Factory, too. I bought a HUGE bag of their basic whey protein that is vanilla flavored and it's great. Dissolves very well, so a scoop in water and you have a quick "meal" when you need it. I recommend getting one of these shaker cups, too:

http://www.blenderbottle.com/
 
optimum nutrition gold standard whey is a really good product that tastes good as well. i use EAS just because its cheap at costco. that, and there cant be that much difference between the two.
 
SkinnyJoe said:
I seem to remember reading that "isolate" is favorable (higher quality) to "concentrate". If so, why?
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"Isolate" denotes that the powder is at least 90% protein. "Concentrate" is 80%. A good Ion-exchange isolate will be around 97% protein. "Concentrate" and "Isolate" are just a minimum measure of protein% by weight.
 
Nick Wheeler,
You are absolutely right! I sat here at the keyboard late at night and put my mouth (my keyboard) in gear before engaging my brain. When I read my post later I realized I'd been a d**k head. I apologize and I'll choose my words more carefully in the future. Old CW4
 
Kohai999 said:
Ultimate Muscle Protein

http://www.beverlyinternational.net/productpdfs/Ultimate_Muscle_Protein.pdf

Forumite and knifemaker Nick Wheeler recommended it to me, he is a body builder.

It does have a lot of ingredients, is a powder and is fairly affordable via mail order. It also tastes great, has excellent protein to calorie to fat ratio, and is very easy to mix.

For RTD, I use EAS Myoplex Lite, which has more calories and a bit more fat.

Best Regards,







STeven Garsson
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+1 on Beverly. I have been powerlifting for many years and use Beverly Aminos and Protein. Great stuff!:thumbup:
 
smegs said:
"Isolate" denotes that the powder is at least 90% protein. "Concentrate" is 80%. A good Ion-exchange isolate will be around 97% protein. "Concentrate" and "Isolate" are just a minimum measure of protein% by weight.
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Use Isolates right after a workout for immediate absorption and Concentrates with a small meal for slower and sustained absorption.
 
NickWheeler said:
I'm not sure why you're trying to egg me on. I tried to drop it and get back to the OP's question.

I've done plenty of things like packed quartered elk out of the hills here, climbed to the top of Mt. St. Helens several times.... lots of things like that, but that has nothing to do with the OP's post. It has everything to do with you thinking you're putting me in my place.

Eating once a day is absolutely the wrong thing to do NO MATTER what a person's goals are. And dehydrating yourself is even worse.

Whether it's a woman trying to be thin, or a man trying to be big and strong or anything in between. It puts the body into a starvation mode and tells it to hang onto every little bit it ingests... and mostly store is as fat while your lean muscle cells are atrophying from lack of proper nutrition.

If it works for you, then just like your full head of hair at 75, you are a genetic wonder and FAR FAR FAR from what would work for the average man.

I worked as a trainer for several years and helped dozens of both men and women get leaner, stronger, and more fit. The number one thing we changed in their diet was having them eat several smaller meals in a day.

It's just like a fire... put a big, fat wet log on the fire (your one big meal) and it smoulders... put a lot of small pieces of wood on the fire and it will burn much, much hotter.

I do things to get bigger and stronger....which is what the OP is shooting for. So no, I have no desire to go on a hike like that with no food or water. :)
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I agree 100%. This is what needs to be done to get lean, strong and muscular. I have been telling people for years to eat small frequent meals as well. Some listen, some do not! Alot of people are looking for that magic pill. lol
 
mnyshrpknvs said:
Use Isolates right after a workout for immediate absorption and Concentrates with a small meal for slower and sustained absorption.
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That's sorta right but those two terms are just an "amount" designation. Absorption depends on the length of the peptides. Ion exchange and Hydrolyzed whey are the most readily absorbed. There's even a hydrolyzed ion exchange whey. The hydrolyzed stuff tastes nasty but a percentage mixed with ion exchange whey is super for pre or post workout.

An filtered isolate is fine for everything else but the hard core guys go with a Milk Protein or Caseinate for sustained release.
 
smegs said:
That's sorta right but those two terms are just an "amount" designation. Absorption depends on the length of the peptides. Ion exchange and Hydrolyzed whey are the most readily absorbed. There's even a hydrolyzed ion exchange whey. The hydrolyzed stuff tastes nasty but a percentage mixed with ion exchange whey is super for pre or post workout.

An filtered isolate is fine for everything else but the hard core guys go with a Milk Protein or Caseinate for sustained release.
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I usually mix mine with milk as well. And you are surely right on all the points above.

If you get a high quality protein from a high quality source like Beverly, they also brake it down in simple terms people can understand right on the bottle.I also like the monthly news letters they send to you about featured products and who is using them.

I eat 4 whole food meals, 3 protein powder servings either in cereal, pudding or just mixed as a shake per day. I am 5'10, and right now weigh 223. I'm not a body builder, but I eat like one. I like to powerlift and also do strongman training as well. This gives me aerobic and anaerobic training.

The eating schedule works for most to everyone out there. Just remember, if you want to gain weight, you have to consume more calories than you burn.If you want it to be lean tissue gain, eat clean, eat small and eat often as you can(every 2-3 hours).
 
mnyshrpknvs said:
If you get a high quality protein from a high quality source like Beverly, they also brake it down in simple terms people can understand right on the bottle.I also like the monthly news letters they send to you about featured products and who is using them.
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If you're happy with Beverly protein and you get good results, that's all you need. But looking at the nutritional profile of "Muscle Provider", I'd have to say that the major ingredient is Whey Concentrate. Whey concentrate is fine if that's what you're paying for but that's not the case in most powders. I'm not knocking any one specific brand but when you look at the ingredient labels, most of them are misleading. Here's Beverly's label for "Muscle Provider":

Ingredients: Beverly Multi-Species Protein Complex (whey protein isolate, whey protein hydrolysate, whey protein concentrate, calcium caseinate, hydrolyzed lactalbumin, egg white) cocoa powder, guar gum, natural and artificial flavor, sodium chloride, soy lecithin, acacia gum, acesulfame potassium, sucralose.

Under normal labeling rules the major component would be first. They seem to get around listing which whey, isolate or concentrate, is in the majority by grouping all the protein under the Multi-Species Protein Complex.
 
smegs said:
If you're happy with Beverly protein and you get good results, that's all you need. But looking at the nutritional profile of "Muscle Provider", I'd have to say that the major ingredient is Whey Concentrate. Whey concentrate is fine if that's what you're paying for but that's not the case in most powders. I'm not knocking any one specific brand but when you look at the ingredient labels, most of them are misleading. Here's Beverly's label for "Muscle Provider":

Ingredients: Beverly Multi-Species Protein Complex (whey protein isolate, whey protein hydrolysate, whey protein concentrate, calcium caseinate, hydrolyzed lactalbumin, egg white) cocoa powder, guar gum, natural and artificial flavor, sodium chloride, soy lecithin, acacia gum, acesulfame potassium, sucralose.

Under normal labeling rules the major component would be first. They seem to get around listing which whey, isolate or concentrate, is in the majority by grouping all the protein under the Multi-Species Protein Complex.
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I take UMP and Muscle Provider. I do not eat as much red meat as I once did, but I eat Organic Chicken and Turkey every day as well as 5 organic eggs mixed into brown rice, chopped broccoli and sweet peas. I use it to make fried rice. All in all, I eat 250gms of protein every day between 4 whole meals and protein supplements.
 
OP,

Do you get blood work done regularly? The reason I ask is because I found out this week that I'm now anemic, probably due to my diet, which consists of mostly leafy green veggies and fish or chicken. The doc said anemia can cause a reduction in oxygen in the blood which will hamper performance during activity. She also said a lot of athletes are anemic because of their diet.
 
If you really want to get into the nitty-gritty of your protein supplement, consider True Protein. You can formulate your own blend of protein, carbs, fat, and even extra supplements like Glutamine, BCAAs, etc. Very very cool, and reasonably priced.

A truly excellent straight whey is BioChem Whey. Ingredients: Ultra-Filtered/Micro-Filtered (UF/MF) Whey Protein Isolate, Natural Vanilla Flavor, Natural Flavors, Xanthan Gum, Lecithin. Simple, bare-bones, high quality stuff.
 
If the issue is weight maintenance, Ensure Plus Chocolate Flavor.

Don't bother with other flavors, drink one 3 times a day, ice cold, in two gulps. That adds 960 calories per day, for approximately 3$, exerts no brain cells, and takes 3 minutes total effort.

It don't get much cheaper.
 
the only time your body trully absorbs "protein shake" is within 30 mins after a hard work out. other than that you are wasting time and $$.. anything after that your body only absorbs a small portion bc your body can only process proteins but so fast. i have done amples of research on this. just an fyi
 
wulfshrunting said:
OP,

Do you get blood work done regularly? The reason I ask is because I found out this week that I'm now anemic, probably due to my diet, which consists of mostly leafy green veggies and fish or chicken. The doc said anemia can cause a reduction in oxygen in the blood which will hamper performance during activity. She also said a lot of athletes are anemic because of their diet.
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start eating lean red meats. lots of iron.
 
hung-solo said:
the only time your body trully absorbs "protein shake" is within 30 mins after a hard work out. other than that you are wasting time and $$.. anything after that your body only absorbs a small portion bc your body can only process proteins but so fast. i have done amples of research on this. just an fyi
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I just spent way too long looking for this, but to act as a counterargument (to be evaluated on its own merits, I'm not saying it's right, just that there are counterarguments): http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_...ition/the_top_10_post_workout_nutrition_myths
 
I just crushed 8 oz. of skim milk with a scoop of Aria brand Women's protein powder, chocolate flavor, and it was not bad at all. Thats 15 grams of protein and 130 calories.

Lets just keep it to ourselves that I'm trying the chick powder, ok?
 
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