Looking for first gun

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You can check the recoil spring. If it matches the above then it needs a replace. If not your good to go.


-E
 
Oh and one last thing to mention. You can't shoot reloads through a glock. It may not matter to you or not but for me it made a difference since I have most my target ammo pressed locally especially my .45 target ammo. I shoot about 800 rounds a month or more so at about half price with my brass it was big for me month over month.
 
Charlie Moore said:
A whole lot of competition shooters who shoot Glocks disagree with you.
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Let me rephrase that. If you want to keep your warranty don't shoot reloads through a glock. People do it all the time I'm sure. Glock clearly says not to shoot reloads through there rifled barrels in the manual.

Anyhow good luck :P
 
ec9 said:
Let me rephrase that. If you want to keep your warranty don't shoot reloads through a glock. People do it all the time I'm sure. Glock clearly says not to shoot reloads through there rifled barrels in the manual.

Anyhow good luck :P
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So, what gun manufacturers say it's OK to shoot reloads in their firearms? Saying their warranty is voided by shooting reloads is is generally viewed as an industry-wide practice. Since gun manufacturers have no assurance of any kind that the reloads meet any recognized pressure or quality standards, expecting them to warranty their firearm products for reloads is asking a bit much.
 
ec9 said:
Oh and one last thing to mention. You can't shoot reloads through a glock. It may not matter to you or not but for me it made a difference since I have most my target ammo pressed locally especially my .45 target ammo. I shoot about 800 rounds a month or more so at about half price with my brass it was big for me month over month.
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Charlie Moore said:
A whole lot of competition shooters who shoot Glocks disagree with you.
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ec9 said:
Let me rephrase that. If you want to keep your warranty don't shoot reloads through a glock. People do it all the time I'm sure. Glock clearly says not to shoot reloads through there rifled barrels in the manual.

Anyhow good luck :P
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I put thousands of rounds of reloaded ammo through my 17,19, 21 and 36, and have had zero problems. But, I know how they are loaded too. The only ammo problem I ever had was with a box of Winchester 45 acp (white box) about 7 years ago. It was loaded REALLY hot from the factory. and split the case, so it had a failuire to extract. Winchester knew about the problem, because I called them to complain, and they were not really surprised. Especially when I gave them the lot number for the ammo...
 
The Glock 19 would be a fine first choice for a handgun. I have put thousands of my own reloads through mine with no issues. I also would stay away from Winchester white box as it is junk in my opinion. It bought 300 rounds a few years back to break in my Kimber BP10 and had seven (7) split cases and far to many cycling issues out of the 300 rounds. Good luck with your choice & be safe.
 
Look I'm not saying it's not done.... I'm saying you shouldn't according to the manufacture. If you reload your own brass from your own spent casings and you know what your doing your probably fine. But if you buy reloads from someone and they use cheap powder such as bullseye. you run the chance of bulging and other nasty gas expanding issues. It's not worth a hand to use cheap reloads in a glock.

And there are some other manufactures that are fine with reloads. I had my kimber sent off for warranty work and they were fine with it, STI as well. Give Glock a call and ask them the same question. I'm not bashing glocks I love my glocks. But unless I swap out for a barstow barrel I'm not trusting reloads in it.


Either way someone new to firearms shouldn't be running reloads in there glock. If you want more info hit up glocktalk. You can find people arguing there too :)


I had the same issue with walmart whitebox a time or two. I now get the cheap rem. instead. my guns are dirty as hell after using it but I haven't had any jams with it or extraction problems.
 
ec9 said:
I had my kimber sent off for warranty work and they were fine with it, STI as well. Give Glock a call and ask them the same question. I'm not bashing glocks I love my glocks. But unless I swap out for a barstow barrel I'm not trusting reloads in it.
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From Kimber's 1911 manual:

"The use of reloaded, "remanufactured," handloaded or other non-standard ammunition
voids all warranties. Reloading is a science and improperly loaded ammunition can be
extremely dangerous."

http://stevespages.com/pdf/kimber_1911.pdf (page 16, top left)

STI states the following in their 1911 manual:

"STI International expressly disclaims any liability for incidental or
consequential damages. STI International firearms are intended for use
exclusively with factory-specification standard velocity ammunition."

http://stevespages.com/pdf/sti_1911.pdf (Under disclaimer, page 31)
 
MOst any manufacturer retains the right to decline warranty claims if anything other than "Industry approved materials" are used. GM, Ford... you name it. Use Pennzoil in your CHevy and the engine seizes, they "may" decline warranty.

Glock has an excellent track record with millions of rounds of reloads through them. One warning that applies to Glocks and any Poly rifle barrels is to avoid lead cast bullets. This is an established problem but how many people shoot cast bullets in autos? Aside from Bullseye competitors.

My boss was recently shooting with a friend that was shooting reman ammo from a reputable company. Bang, bang, BOOM... blew the magazine out of the pistol and the slide had to be removed and case tapped out of chamber with a wooden dowel rod. Pistol was inspected, fresh mag inserted, back in business. Magazine is buggered but he and the pistol are still running fine. Manufacturers do their best to engineer pistols to take mild overpressure rounds.
I have been shooting fairly actively for most of my life, I have been lucky in my factory, reman and self loaded ammo not to experience one of these.
Bill
 
Now that we moved onto ammo, what is considered the all around best name .40? I'm curious as to what it would cost.
 
This one.

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And this one.

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Both went back to Kimber and on the return form and over the phone they were told reloads were run through them. They did not have an issue with it. They tested the Raptor with reloads on there range. I didn't say it wasn't in the Kimber manual.

This one went back to STI also they were informed I ran reloads through it..... No issue... Fixed and sent back to me under warranty.

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My super carry and my TRP have never had issue with reloads or otherwise

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So I guess it's all based on personal experience.
 
ec9 said:
So I guess it's all based on personal experience.
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My point to you was to restate with examples what I previously stated - that firearm manufacturer's user manuals often specifically state that shooting reloads voids warranties. It is a generally accepted industry practice. Glock's customer and warranty service is on par with the very best in the industry. They don't treat the shooting reloads any differently than other firearm manufacturers.
 
Johnny Numbers said:
Pardon if I missed it as I have basically glanced through this thread, but do you have a budget you need to stay within?

I'm a 1911 guy myself, but I agree that for a first purchase...the G19 is a great choice. Easy to disassemble, easy to clean and a consistent trigger pull. In my area, a G19 goes for around $575-585 for standard 3-dot sights and you're looking at over $6-- for night sights.

Go to a gun shop and get some hands on so you can get a feel of what feels good to you. Some shops will let you dry fire while some frown on it. That way you can get a feel for the trigger. Rent one and then shoot a couple boxes of ammo. If you don't like it, then look around some more. I wouldn't settle for something that you may not like.

Good luck!
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I forgot to reply to this post. I don't really have a budget, but I guess I'd like to stay below $700.

The more I read the more I'm seeing people recommend the G19 over the G23, but how much of that is based on ammo pricing I don't know. I also read about converting the G23 to 9mm with a different barrel and mag.

Also thanks to the above for the ammo links, I'll check them out.
 
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Kahr or Sig - Anybody here carry one?
 
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