Looking For Some Dog Breed Advice!

I have a feeling I might get hammered for this but I gotta throw in my .02. I say rottweiller, I was raised with them and they definitely are the way to go, though they might be too intimidating for the postman:eek:. They are gentle giants and are great around families, my parents got a 90 pound male when me and my brother were 4 and 5 , and he was the best dog I ever had. He was a big clown with family and people he knew, though sometimes slow to warm to some, naturally protective of those in his household, smart as any dog I've ever been around and not super high energy. Don't be scared off by all the stuff in the news, its all in how they are raised. As for the other pets things don't worry too much I've had friends who had pitbulls and cats, it all in the introduction.
 
I cannot underestimate the value and joy in rescuing a mixed breed from a local shelter. Mine are mutts and the greatest joy in the world. Good luck.
 
I have a German Shorthaired Pointer that I got for bird hunting but he quickly became the family pet. They meet all of your criteria excpet they shed like mad. Very short, small hair though, so you don't find clumps of fur around. They require a decent amount of exercise, especially up to abiut three years of age, although mine is 10 and still gets daily exercise. Great with people and other animals, smart, alert, obedient and lots of fun. They are beautiful animals.
 
In my experience it seems that mixed breed dogs are the healthiest.

* Must be friendly towards people.
* Must be good around other pets. (The kids have ferrets, guinea pigs, etc... )
* As little shedding as possible.
* Non-destructive / relatively calm, not hyper. Must be intelligent and able to learn.
* Must be able to stay alone during the day without freaking out.
* Not looking for another wanderer!
* I'm not looking to spend a fortune! $500 tops.

The dog that I've had that would meet your requirements very closely was Joe, a purebred collie from the rescue. He was sincerely the nicest dog ever made. He loved every living thing, and famously once made 'friends' with a baby bird that had fallen out of a tree. Sounds like just the thing considering your other pets and children. He did like to bark at the UPS guy though! :)

Joe didn't shed loose hair, but he did require regular grooming to prevent matting. There are short haired collies as an option - same dog, different hair.

The rescue group's adoption fee was $175-ish, as I recall.

Another that comes to mind, Great Pyranese. They have a very calm personality, like a collie. A strike against, they are wanderers! I've read they can be five miles away and still consider that to be "home".
 
You definitely won't want a Lhasa Apso. Independent, not people pleaser, not easy to obedience train but it can be done, suspicious of strangers, usually only good with children if raised with them - should not be left unattended.

I think the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel has tendencies for health problems. At least that is what I have heard.

Shih Tzu's are pretty brainless and sweet dogs - they should get along with just about anyone if they haven't been mistreated. I don't know how receptive they are to training.

Border Collies are awesome - and Aussie's - but both have a lot of energy.

Get 2 Chihuahuas. They would keep each other company and are pretty good pets.

You keep your dog in the BASEMENT? Wow. I guess a doggie door is out of the question.

I'd stay away from Designer Mutts.

Any really good dog who is loyal and good around kids and people should be properly obedience trained. Golden Retrievers are awesome with everyone.

Most short hair dogs will shed, their hair only grows so long and then it falls out. Long coated breeds will loose hair the same as a human - but regular brushing of a short or long hair breed should help with the hair problem. You can also brush them with a vacuum attachment (seriously) - the short hair ones, anyway.

Go to your local shelter, check out the dogs, take them into the little yard they let you use to interact with them. There are probably some pretty awesome dogs that end up in the shelter for reasons like the owners moved somewhere and they can't have their dog, but it's a good dog. Or the owner died and the family/friends don't know what to do with the dog.

Good luck! I'd wait until Mongo gets back on Monday and see what he has to say. He will have some great suggestions for you.
 
Looks like the recommendations are all over the board...I'll add what I can...hope it makes sense.

first, visit this place - kinda helps you realize breed tendencies:

http://www.glowdog.com/bestdog/
(Click on "MY Best Dog")

Go through their preferences a few times so you know you understand it properly. Have your wife do it...have one of the kids do it. You'll learn a lot about your needs, and your family's expectations.

You can click on the individual categories too....to see what breeds rank highest/lowest in each. (ie, Golden Retriever - best with kids)

If you follow their instructions carefully...it can be a great tool for helping figure out which breed is best for you.



Looking at your first post:

Here's my (our) criteria:
  • 1-Must be friendly towards people. (Our daughters are 6 and 15 and I don't want them, our friends, or the UPS guy getting bit!)
  • 2-Must be good around other pets. (The kids have ferrets, guinea pigs, etc... )
  • 3-As little shedding as possible.
  • 4-Non-destructive / relatively calm, not hyper. Must be intelligent and able to learn.
  • 5-Must be able to stay alone during the day without freaking out. (We have a luxury 10'X10'X8' high kennel already set up in the basement.)
  • 6-Not looking for another wanderer!
  • 7-I'm not looking to spend a fortune! $500 tops. (OK, maybe $650, but no more!)
We live in a rural area with lots of woods and a big yard, so space isn't an issue. I've checked out the AKC website, and the number of choices are mind boggling. Maybe what we need is a good old fashioned mutt straight from the SPCA. So what do you dog lovers suggest?


#1 - friendly towards people - most dogs are this way...some are aloof...very few are naturally hostile

#2 - good around other pets - this is not just a breed issue...but specific to the dog and how it was socialized at a young age. That said, some breeds do naturally tend toward aggression and dominance.

#3 - as little shedding as possible....rules out a lot of dogs. I should know...that was a big priority for my spouse before she ok-ed the dog...very little shedding. Unfortunately....really shortens the list!

#4 - contradictory - intelligent dogs are problem solvers and natural rascals. Calmer dogs are less "intense". Going to have to pick one or the other probably.....maybe you just want one that ranks high on "obedience"?

#5 - ability to stay alone has more to do with you buying toys/bones/etc to eat up the attention needs of the dog. That said, a more intelligent dog is going to have greater needs for daily "tasks"....same for "working" dogs. If you don't have the time for daily exercise and training...consider a low-intensity, low-exercise-needs breed.

#6 - get a "hidden fence". :D...and avoid the Hound breeds (beagle, bloodhound, etc)

#7 - should be able to get what you want at that price.





I put what I thought your priorities might be into the "formula" on the website above...and come up with:


English Springer Spaniel - not as common as a lab...but definitely available...there are rescues just for the breed.

Probably any of the bird-dogs will do ok (as long as you don't have a bird pet...:D) But some shed more than others.



I'm not sure an American Bulldog would be a good match. They can definitely be aggressive to pets and other dogs if not raised with them from a young age.



Last but not least...consider availability....I would LOVE to have a Border Terrier...but they are rare in shelters...and the nearest breeders are hundreds of miles away from me...:(


Best of luck in your search!!!

:thumbup:

Dan
 
I have two Chocolate Labs now, grew up with a Black, and love them. There are no better family dogs. They are basically everything on your list, except they do shed a bit.

My sister-in-law and cousin-in-law have American Bulldogs. Beautiful dogs, very friendly, but BIG and very rambunctious. They need a lot of play time.
 
I would stay away from the German Shepard unless:

1) You can deal with the shedding

2) You are willing to spend alot of time training him/her.

3) You do some research; The best resource for these dogs is a local Schutzhund club. These folks know their shepards and rotties. I would forget about the "show" dog people...they breed for looks primarily. A shepard from a working line is going to have a whole different attitude than most other dogs. He will be glued to you and your family...you are his/her pack, and they will do anything to defend it. It will be my next dog (female) when I have a little more time to spend with her. Some folks do keep them kenneled all day, but you'd better put in some time with the dog when you get home or they will use their intelligence in more "inappropriate" ways. :eek:
 
I've been raising Chinese Pugs for 30 years. They are friendly, good with other people and animals. They've been bred as companion dogs for thousands of years.
 
I've been a dog fan all my life. The best dog I ever had was a Shetland Sheepdog but he was bigger than he was supposed to be for the breed standard, had bad teeth and even worse breath all his life, hip problems and was also the yappiest dog I've ever had in the yard where he simply would not shut up! I won't get another. He also shed a lot and required a lot of brushing.

Second best dog ever for me personally is the one I have now. A Great Pyrenees, Barney. He is a super dog. He is 12 years old and will probably not see 2009 but I hope he proves me wrong. I'll cry big tears when he goes but again I won't get another. He has shedding issues but thats not the worst thing. He is huge as far as foot print. I had a friend with a Mastiff once and Barney, my Pyr takes up as much space as the Mastiff did in the house even at half the weight. He fills up the car as much as Moose did and his turds are just as huge in the yard too! :eek: Barney is a light eater compared to other dogs this big though, and at 32" at the shoulder its surprising how little he eats. My Chows at 50lbs ate more generally speaking. At half the weight of the Mastiff, Moose, My Pyrenees, Barney weighs in at an even 100 pounds most trips to the vet. I think the most he ever weighed was 110 lbs. Moose hit over 200lbs at one time and was so strong it was scary.

The real draw back to me is this. The size makes it very hard to find someone willing to watch the dogs when you have one or two this large should you leave for long.. They intimidate folks by their presense. The Mastiff related breeds slobber a lot also, Barney included. You'll have to get used to being slimed when greeted, cleaning up slobber from the floor, the walls, the inside of the car windows, basically anywhere they spend time or shake off. Shedding aside I'll take brusing anyday of the week over the slobbering.

Sporting dogs? Well, its been my experience that a hunting, retriver, setter, pointer type dog is going to hunt with or without you and tends to be very hyper, especially when young. My Red Bone Coon dog was out of the yard all the time and an escape artist. So was my Irish Setter. I won't get another sporting dog.

Cleaning up dingleberries is a thing of the past as soon as Barney goes. I will never own another long haired dog either. :thumbdn: But don't think just because its short haired it won't shed. In my experience my Red Bone Coon hound shed worse than all my other dogs and he had hair so short you could barely pinch it between your fingers. Duke was a great dog though. Hyper and hard headed until he got to be about three years old but after that wow. What a great dog he was. He'd hunt anything from squirrel to duck too but like I said, with or without you. Leave the gate open, he was gone!

If you want no shedding or even very little its a tough bill to fill. Little shedding I'd say focus on something like a hairless dog. Call the brushing bonding time.

The sheppard breeds are very intelligent. I'd go for something there like a Short Haired Collie maybe. Bulldogs like Mastiffs slobber. Forget that. Been there done that. :D

I also have a Saint Bernard currently, Daisy. She is a great dog. She sheds, is great with kids, loves everyone actually and would wag her tail after slobbering on intruders stealing me blind but she'll eat you out of house and home if you let her, is prone to weight problems and obesity, and slobbers worse than Barney does. She was also quite hyper until about three years old. Now she is great though. I won't get another St. Bernard either though. Just too darn big man! Both mine were spur of the moment purchases. They are so cute when young you know. Don't fall prey to this. Study and get you one that you think will work out.

Nope, I think a mutt is probably a good choice but I do like knowing what I am getting which is the main reason I get pedigrees. I never once filled out the papers to get them registered though. Don't much care about that. I'm thinking of something like a Basenji barkless dog with short hair next that I can keep without having to worry about sizes of droppings so much, or slobbering but there are draw backs of course. I'm being sarcastic here of course. Basenjis are high maintenance.:-) All dogs have some issues you have to get past I think. I think in the end the best dogs are the ones that pick you. :thumbup:

STR
 
To the OP;
Looking For Some Dog Breed Advice!

DON'T DO IT!

I think Breading with dogs is illegal in most states. (with the exception of Arkansas and the Oval Office).
 
I'd agree with most of the sheppard comments, they are awesome dogs, but they shed a lot (moreso the long-haired variety) and with any purebred there are health issues. My relatives have one, and at 8 years old he already has hip issues. I've got a boxer/sharpei mix & he's a great little mutt (although he was a voracious chewer when a puppy). short hair is nice, but you still deal with shedding. my other choice when originally looking at dogs was a rott, and my criteria were much the same as yours. one thing to point out that no one else has yet (and i don't know how much of a factor this is for you), but check with your homeowner's insurance to see what breeds are on their dangerous (read; not covered by liability insurance) list. The good news there is that if its a mixed breed its usually fine, the policies usually only address purebreds, another point in favor of a rescue dog.
so basically, i'd recommend a rescue dog with strong leanings toward boxer, rottweiler, or sheppard. good luck.
 
If you're getting contrary reports regarding German Shepherd shedding, than someone isn't telling you the truth.

-I'm a Police Working Dog handler, by the way, and I will.

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There is only one answer: Shepherds shed. Period. Full stop. All the time, all seasons. In nearly forty years I haven't had a meal that didn't have Shepherd fur it; either in the house, or some that I brought along with me. My clothes are covered in it, my pockets full of it. I could build a nine to eleven pound dog out of the stray fur in my truck. -No kidding.

The most important thing to consider when choosing a breed is what that particular breed was originally bred to do. That will determine their overall behavior.

For example: sheep dogs were designed to work with the shepherd, so they tend to look to their human to ensure that their behavior is pleasing him, and then adjust accordingly. What does that mean? It means that they are receptive to training.

Conversely, terriers, for instance, were bred to work on their own, underground, without supervision. Accordingly, they tend to go, without looking back, and may be expected to ignore an owner's commands.

You mentioned American Bulldogs. -Giant pit bulls. That's what they are.

What does that mean? It means that they will be generally sweet around people, and incorrigibly animal aggressive. They should be expected to be destructive when left alone, because they have terrier blood in them and so are inclined to engaging in a behavior (digging, chewing, etc.) and not ceasing until physically stopped. -See Newton's First Law.

A Standard Poodle meets all your requirements. They are, essentially, non-shedding German Shepherds, without all the quirks that so often make GSDs poor house/out-in-public dogs. My partner is a dual-purpose working dog. If I went to single-purpose, I would want a Standard Poodle.

No matter what you decide, know this: dogs do NOT self-exercise. Letting the dog "out" will not wear him out. A tired dog is a good dog.

Basic obedience and long walks are your friend.
 
I'm baaaaccckkkkkk! Just read this thread, and quite a bit here that makes ME shake my head NO NO NO NO. But... tortoise just had one of the best replies here. Yes, GSD's are great dogs, just not for everybody. And, I totally agree with him on the Standard Poodle. They are wonderful dogs, originally bred to be a water retrieving hunting dog, so they are NOT fru-fru wimpy things. VERY intelligent dogs, relatively free of Veterinary concerns too. I cannot remember who recc'd the King Cav Spaniels... they are one of my all time favorite little dogs. They don't have quite the amount of health probs that you hear.

Now, go back and re-read tortoise's reply!
 
Hi Guys,
I just got back from the NCCA Knife show in Marlboro, Ma. late last night. I wasn't able to check in over the weekend. I just logged on to find lots of great, well thought out responses. Lots of great info here. Thank you ALL for your time. My wife and I appreciate all your help.

I stopped by the local humane society just before we left. Lots to choose from, but nothing exactly like what we were looking for at the moment. I left them with a list of what we were looking for, and they promised to call if a dog fitting our description shows up. Real nice folks there. That's probably the route we're going to take.

If you're an animal lover, see if you can give your local shelter a small donation. It would help alot. My wife (an elementary school teacher) was so touched after visiting ours (a no-kill shelter), she's getting her school to collect a bunch of items from a list the shelter provides. They plan on taking a field trip there in May to deliver the items in person. BTW, most of the folks there were volunteers. My hat is off to them. The place was spotless, the animals there were in terrific shape, and looked genuinely well cared for, socialized, and exercised. They all had clean blankets and plenty of new toys in their pens.

Thanks again all,
Scott
 
Just got back into town and read your thread. Sorry about Cody. Best advice I see here is from Mongo and Tortoise and a big thumbs up to you for going to the shelter and to the shelter for being a "No-Kill" shelter.

I've lived with dogs for nearly 60 years now. My sister and I have a Dobermann kennel in FL, mostly training, but occasional breeding. I second the idea of a "pound hound" being an ideal choice. All 3 of our companion dogs are rescues and they are absolutely wonderful. One is a Lab-GSD mix, one is a Boxer, and the third is a Dobe (Molly, my avatar) from our last litter in Dec, 2005.

I say all of this just to say that Murphy, our Lab-GSD mix, is the cast iron dog in the bunch. Fewer health problems, adjusts more easily to change in diet, friendly with neighbors, kids, other animals (dogs & cats), and easily able to spend all day in the woods and keep up with us. He lives in his crate when we're gone to work, but he has stayed loose in the house with the Boxer for short periods and everything's been fine.

A little patience and your perfect guy or girl will find you. But if you want to speed up the process, there are mixed-breed rescue groups that can be found online.

Best wishes in your new adoption adventure.
 
Thanks for all the ideas guys and gals. I made a list, and we're gonna check them all out, including the mutts at the Humane Society.

Anyone have any experience with the American Bulldog? What about German Shepherds? Do the shepherds shed alot? I'm finding some conflicting info online.

Thanks,
Scott

We have 4 dogs all rescues, 1 is a shep/dobie mix. He picked me out at the pound 13 years ago. The other is an American Bull dog we took as a rescue. It is so Phugly that it is cute. These are great dogs, however there are things you should know about them.
1) You need to clean their wrinkles on a regular basis.
2) They are prone to blowing out their back legs. It is about 5-6 k ea for the repair surgery. Once 1 goes the other will go within a year. Once repaired they are good as new.
3) Because of their short hair they are susceptible to temp changes and also sunburn, so while they love being outside they need to be watched.
The 3rd and 4th dog we just got recently from a single mom who had to move to a different apt that wouldn't allow pets.
the first is a very large fully papered German Sheppard. ( I am 6'8" when he stands on his hind legs his front paws reach my shoulders and we see eye to eye) He is very docile and well trained. Sheppard’s make great pets. Things you need to be aware of, since you have smaller kids. If you get a young Sheppard or puppy it WILL become protective of the kids. That is not a bad thing just something to remember if they have friends over and start rough housing. Sheppard’s are also known for having hip displaisia (sp). This is a big deal as it is expensive to repair and also can cause the dog to have to be put down. If you end up getting a Sheppard or any shep mix, have a vet you trust take x-rays and see what’s what. You don't want to get a puppy that appears fine and be putting him down in a year because the displaisure was so bad.
The fourth dog is a Heinz 57 and is the most even tempered lovable dog there is.

I think the best thing you could do is take the family to the local pound or humane society and let a dog or dogs pick you as their new family. Don't take one that cowers and growls as you try and pet it, it will probably turn into a fear biter and having kids around one isn't good. Don't take one that urinates as you approach either it will have problems. Try and find one that is wary yet calm at your approach, these are usually well centered dogs.

Normally I would suggest rescue dogs, but they can be expensive. Our American bulldog cost us a little over 11K in the first year due to leg surgeries.
Just my 2 cents worth, good luck on the search for a new dog,
Jim
 
Boxers make outstanding family pets. Short hair, devoted, intelligent, great patience with children, and very sweet personalities. I'll never own any other breed.
 
Don't know if you're still looking for a dog but I'll thow my two cents in. I had a registered Rottweiler kennel up until a few years ago, produced many champions, and I love the breed. A well-bred, well-trained Rottweiler is as good a friend as any man could want. But, buying a purebred dog requires a lot of expertise, and a lot of money, otherwise you can get stuck with something from a puppy mill and wind up very unhappy.

My advice is the same as Dave's. Go to the SPCA, look around, talk to the vets and handlers. Mixed-breed animals are generally less prone to illness and the genetic, breed-specific problems purebreds often inherit. Look for a dog that's happy to see you, take your kids and find a dog who is cheerful and bright-eyed. You don't want a shy dog, or a dog that goes off like a string of firecrackers. You know what you want, a happy, healthy, friendly animal who'd love a home.

I'd recommend rescuing dogs to anyone. The dog-snobs won't be impressed, but while they're dealing with hip dysplasia you'll be in the park throwing tennis balls.
 
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