Looking for the perfect bush/survival knife for me. Going with ESEE most likely.

The OP didn't ask about all that other stuff. He asked about a knife since this is the General Discussion area of a knife forum. There are lots of other places to grandstand about survival techniques. This is a knife forum.

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Hey guys,
New member here.. have always loved knives but never really got into quality ones. I love camping and hiking, and I live in a mostly wooded area (in the chance I need to survive, it will most likely be in the woods.. upstate NY)

I've been putting more thought into survival lately and decided to start a little survival pack because, well, ya never know!

Anyway, I've pretty much had my heart set on the ESEE 5.. seems like it will hold up forever and can do most survival tasks. Is it too thick for dressing small game?

I would prefer something that is good at chopping down limbs to use for shelter, dressing small game and fish, have the ability to do smaller tasks like whittling, making precise traps, etc.

I know the ESEE 5 doesn't have a finger choil, and I've read various opinions on that.. some don't like the choils anyway and still use it as such, some prefer it. Not really sure what I prefer.

Anyway.. Now I'm kind of leaning toward the 4 or 6, or the Laser Strike. Or another option I thought of was to get the ESEE 5 first, then sometime down the road get the ESEE 3 for smaller tasks as well as EDC.

So, what do you guys think? I am pretty set on sticking with ESEE, I just love everything I read about them, hear the quality is great, etc etc. Just kind of in a limbo here.
I know as soon as I get one of their knives I will probably get another, and it will turn into an addiction, so this may be irrelevant anyway, but I would love some suggestions.

The 4 and 6 aren't 1/4" thick like the 5 is, correct?
I like them all, and I do really like the idea of the 1/4" thick blade on the 5, especially if I will be surviving for an extended period of time (Could be silly, but better safe than sorry, right?).

Gah, I just don't know! If it came down to one single knife for an extended survival situation, which ESEE knife would you bring along? And same question but for two blades?

I think most likely I will be choosing a heavy duty survival knife and an EDC knife for smaller tasks as well. 5 and 3, or 6 and 3? Any suggestions? Any better ESEE EDC option than the 3?

(still leaning toward the ESEE 5.. I don't know why, it's just calling my name!)

Sorry for the ranting! I'm very indecisive but am trying to research the best I can!
Thanks guys. This forum rocks!

Also, I'm really sorry if this is a typical newbie post, but I appreciate any replies I can get.


Let me make the most important point first. Based on my experience, carrying a heavy knife in the northeast woods is more dangerous and encouraging the OP to carry a 5" or bigger knife is increasing his risk of real peril.

Now, if me saying that is going to cause you to go bonkers, instead of chimp screams about this being a general forum, I suggest you just report either this thread or my post to moderators. Just note, they have a history of tolerating questions about survival/bushcraft/woods knives here.

The OP is specifically asking about survival in the northeast. How about we restrict the responses to people who have spent, say, a minimum of 30 nights in the woods of the northeast? Or to people who have spent a minimum of 30 nights in the northeast wood during the cold months between October and April?

Subver (the OP), you're asking good questions. Survival in the northeast wood is worth thought and study and preparation. So many people need to be rescued in the Whites of New Hampshire that traditionally small government NH passed a law about 10 years ago by which people who require rescue can be charge with reckless behavior and be forced to pay rescue expenses. Rescues and lost hikers happen every year and there are deaths on a regular basis.

Typically these incidents happen on either day hikes or trips with the overnight plans were for 1 or 2 nights. The scenario generally goes down like this: the hiker (or party) gets pinned down for some reason and can't hike to a shelter/camp site by night fall. Getting lost, getting injured or getting bogged down by bad trail conditions and/or weather are all common reasons.

Here is the conundrum that you face. If you carry too little, you won't be prepared. If you carry too much, the weight of you pack will impede your speed and make you less safe due to both slower speeds and exhaustion.

"Survival" and "Bushcraft" as they get portrayed on the forums and on the internet are an interesting exercise in primitive skills. It's a good thing to learn about. But it's also potentially dangerous if you pursue it without first learning solid backcountry basics. If you already have good skills with stoves, tarps and clothing systems, then you can think about carrying the extra weight of big cutting toys like big choppers or hatchets or large bucksaws. (Just please, don't practice the harvesting on public lands.)

If you don't have those skills, I would recommend a survival bivy sack, a light stove (requires practice) and depending on weather and the trip, a light tarp. Would also recommend reading the backpacking books by Chris Townsend. He's from Scotland and most of his approaches translate well to the northeast. I would also advice forgetting about shelter building as a survival technique. IMO, you'll be safer first learning tarps and stove craft.

Here's the manifest of my "10 Essentials" pack which I carry in the woods 12 months a year. A decent pocket knife with a blade in the 3" to 4" blade is all that is needed and the lighter the better.

ESSENTIAL KIT
Basic tools
+ Map (typically moved to pants pocket)
+ Compass (in my pocket when off trail)
+ Altimeter watch (moved to wrist)
+ Lighter
+ Pocket knife (Opinel)
+ Leatherman Squirt PS4 (for small pliers and scissors, mainly)
+ Keychain flashlight on a lanyard (I wear this as a necklace at night)

Chemicals- Carried in a separate ziplock
+ Sun screen
+ Dermatone (in winter)
+ Bug dope
+ Ibuprofen
+ Iodine water purification tablets (water filter is carried separately on some trips)

Toiletries
+ Toothbrush and toothpaste (these are kept in a ziplock bag)
+ Toilette paper, hand sanitizer, disposable lighter (these are kept in a ziplock bag)

Repair kit - Carried in a separate ziplock
+ Spare Fastex 2" buckle (for backpack hip belts)
+ Section of adhesive nylon repair tape (for down jackets, bags and tents)
+ Heavy polyester thread, standard needle and curved upholstery needle
+ Spare stove filler cap (I typically carry a Svea 123 and this is the only part to fail)
+ Spare batteries (for headlamp)
+ Small roll of duct tape (wrapped around a cut-off disposable pen body

Emergency Gear
+ Headnet
+ Whistle
+ Folding saw (Carried October through April)
+ Mylar aluminum bivy sack/shelter
+ 2 Powerbars (emergency food)
+ Coil of parachute chord

Minimal 1st aid kit - Mostly focused on stopping bleeding and attending to feet
+ Antihistamines
+ Selection of gauze pads and band aids
+ Butterfly tape and small roll of bandage tape
+ Gauze wrap
+ Alcohol wipes, iodine wipes, small tube of triple-biotic ointment
+ Disposable razor (shaving shins)
+ Pre-cut moleskin and bottle of Skin Shield (for blisters)
+ Nail clippers, fine tweezers (splinters), Leatherman PS4 (scissors, pliers)
+ Spare disposable lighter


EDITED TO ADD: If you would prefer to carry a fixed blade instead of a folder and really like the ESEE knives (I would love one too), I would choose between the Izula II or ESEE 4 for what you describe. Biggest task for a knife will be cleaning a deer and either of those will do fine. I find 5" to get into the unweildly territory for general knife use.
 
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Sorry, don't have time to read your long post. I'm sure there is some great info in there, though very little of it probably has to do with knives.
 
As to the censorship.... I don't think craytab was trying to censor anyone at all. I think he was trying to get to just exactly, specifically what you were recommending. craytab - please correct me if I'm wrong.

No correction needed. You AntDog get a gold star for getting it right!

You put the boot in with one breath then request peace in the next. Perhaps a basic impression of the knives discussed by the OP is a better approach ?

To be fair AntDog did give an actual recommendation way earlier in this thread before this crap came up (and with a picture of a knife no less). Further, AntDog has had his own threads pooped upon by this very issue. Go see his thread that I linked in my first post. This is a long standing argument. Hopefully mods can direct folks who want to talk survival techniques or prac tac or religion or politics or whatever to the proper places.

To follow the thread theme: My initial impression of the ESEE 4 was that it had a hair more weight than I expected, not bad though, it has a solid feel to it and it is a very compact package overall. The ESEE 6 was actually lighter than I expected and it is on the large side of things. I like them both a lot and had zero buyers remorse later. I usually neck carry an Izula 2 with the 4 or 6. Bringing along a folding saw and axe or hatchet is your call, but they can be tremendously helpful in the cold or wet when you want things to happen faster.

This right here is a fantastic point! The Esee 6 does feel lighter in hand than one would expect from the size. I don't know if I can say that about many of the knives I own. Every time I take the 6 out of the sheath, whether it be to cut something, sharpen, oil, or just fondle, I think "this knife feels great!"
 
Thanks for all the replies, guys, I'm still catching up on all of them.
But yes, I am completely new, I am looking to get into bushcraft/survival. I love camping and hiking but I would like to take it further as a hobby, and to build valuable life skills. I'm looking at all the knives you guys are recommending and I like them all haha. Still would love to be able to hold them!

As of now I'm leaning toward the ESEE 6 or the Laser Strike, but I keep changing my mind when I see different knives. I would really love a GSO 5.1, but I feel like that won't be happening any time soon.

I'm past the whole "one knife" thing... I am now looking for a large knife/machete, smaller knife and a folding saw as recommended by a few folks. ESEE 4/6/LS (or maybe even the Tops BOB Fieldcraft) + Junglas perhaps? Haven't begun to look at folding saws yet. Would having a Junglas or other machete and folding saw be overkill? Maybe just an Esee 6 or LS and a folding saw for now?

There are just so many options it's very difficult for me to choose, especially because I really don't have any bush experience, you know?

No, I'm not one of those zombie apocalypse people :P, I just really like the idea of living off the land, having these skills, eventually taking some extended trips into the woods and just roughing it.

I do really appreciate all your input and help everyone, don't go arguing on my account, though!

This weekend I plan on going around town to some shops and seeing what knives they carry, hopefully they have some good ones I can hold. Would love to just hold a bunch of these knives so bad.. I would hate to order one online and have it not be comfortable in my hand!

Anyway, Thank you so much guys.. I think I am beginning to grasp what is needed/not needed... glad I didn't just jump in gung-ho and bought the ESEE 5! As cool of a knife that is I realize I will probably never use it and the 6 or LS would suit my needs better.

I do also plan on getting a Leatherman Wave multitool to go in my pack as well, so maybe it could essentially be that, ESEE 6 and a folding saw? Possibly a Junglas/larger machete as well?

Ok now I'm just rambling.. I need to research more, but I think the ultimate test is actually getting the knives and getting out there and practicing!
 
''Looking for the perfect bush/survival knife for me. Going with ESEE most likely. ''

Buy whatever appeals to you at this point in time buddy and don't feel bad if this all changes later. Myself, I have found that my cutting tool choices have changed\evolved over time in ways that I did not anticipate. Which is no biggie really. :)
 
It looks like you've got a lot of good advice here with lots of options to consider. I would just add this - don't over think it. Just about any good 3"-6" knife from a quality manufacture will suit your needs until you've gained some more experience out and about. I went through all this brain damage several years ago, and ended up with my RAT-6 (now ESEE-6) and SOG Powerassist. Still have them both and use them, but probably only because I bought them first and haven't had any personal complaints. Whether you get an ESEE, Becker, Cold Steel, Buck, TOPS, or pretty much any of these decent brands - you'll be fine. Just get out there and enjoy God's green earth brother!
 
It looks like you've got a lot of good advice here with lots of options to consider. I would just add this - don't over think it. Just about any good 3"-6" knife from a quality manufacture will suit your needs until you've gained some more experience out and about. I went through all this brain damage several years ago, and ended up with my RAT-6 (now ESEE-6) and SOG Powerassist. Still have them both and use them, but probably only because I bought them first and haven't had any personal complaints. Whether you get an ESEE, Becker, Cold Steel, Buck, TOPS, or pretty much any of these decent brands - you'll be fine. Just get out there and enjoy God's green earth brother!

hahaha thank you! *breathes*

Yeah, probably will just pull the trigger on the Esee 6 or Laser Strike.. gonna see some comparison videos first.. I don't really need the survival stuff in the LS handle (probably will have a fire stick on my sheath anyway) and I've heard some people say it's comfortable and some don't, but most people I've heard talk about the 6 all say it's a great blade, so I have a feeling that will end up being my first.

Thanks guys :)
 
In contrary to what most people will tell you, the ESEE 5 is not "too thick" for wilderness/bushcraft use. I know because it's still my go to knife and yes it may not be able to clean a fish without obliterating it but for %90 of tasks, the thickness isn't a problem
 
In contrary to what most people will tell you, the ESEE 5 is not "too thick" for wilderness/bushcraft use. I know because it's still my go to knife and yes it may not be able to clean a fish without obliterating it but for %90 of tasks, the thickness isn't a problem

And I guarantee I still buy it eventually haha. I just love the whole idea of that 1/4" blade! And hey, you never know when you need to cut yourself out of a helicopter fuselage! But that is good to know, thank you!
 
I have nothing noteworthy to contribute other than, "don't skip "squat day" weenie..." had me in stitches.
 
Glad to see that you're happy with what you're learning. Its never guaranteed that what works for someone else will work for you, but its never a bad place to start.

And like other people have mentioned, 1/4in thick knives CAN for sure do things. I've used my BK2 for quite a bit of the stuff that I do outdoors, and it always has done the job. Its just at the end of the day I've discovered that I PREFER two blades.

I bought a Corona folding saw. Those can be found pretty much everywhere, and cost me about $17-20 for my 10in version. Silkys are popular, and probably better saws, but are a touch harder to find (at least locally). Gerber actually makes some that are decent as well. And depending on how you camp, a saw + big knife/machete + midsize knife can be perfect. I roll with a BK9 (bit smaller than Junglas, but same idea), Mora (smallish knife), and my folding saw. Those work great for the type of camping I do. The big knife splits anything that the saw cuts, and the mora feathersticks like a champ.

Good luck :).
 
Yep, those are the ones. The brand makes tons of models, but many are very similar, so the term "Mora" gets thrown around without a model quite frequently. Sorry about that, I remember that being confusing when I first started too :/. But I have that same model, but in carbon steel (black and red). I love it. I bought it at the same time I got my BK2 just because of how much I'd heard about them, and figured for its (at the time) price of $8, why not try one of those too. I use it much more than my BK2.

And they're actually pretty tough. The Scandi grind is AMAZING for wood carving type tasks, and are crazy easy to sharpen because of the grind, and the steel (1095, just like ESEE/Becker, etc). I wouldn't try to cut out of an airplane with one though, but I've not been "gentle" to it, although I have been respectful of its limits. I've batoned 1-2in straight grained pieces with mine to no ill effect, although I don't do that now, or even then very often (because of the previously mentioned BK2 and BK9).

I'd give one a try, you might be surprised how much you like them.
 
So based on what you said i would not get a Junglas.

Why not? Nothing wrong at all with the Esee Junglas.

Agreed. I use a BK9 all the time in the outdoors (similar in concept to the Junglas). Now, personally I might not go for one, but its a quality blade, and I don't think many here would argue that point with you. I do feel that past the 8-9in range you might want to start talking about small machetes as well. For instance, the 12in Svord Machete is quite appealing looking and runs around $50, and a normal tramontia in the 14in length actually costs ~$10-15. Both of those might work for you, it just depends on what you're really looking for.

Just hoping that you're not taking the fact that I like the mora for a small blade to mean you shouldn't buy something larger :p.

Good luck with whatever you do :).
 
I kinda went on an ESEE spree awhile back. I don't regret it. I think they're great knives for the money. Here's the setup I got first to use while camping and stuff like that. I think it covers my bases decently as far as knives go.

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