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not true, the la county code is nearly identical to the muni code.
13.62.010 Knives and daggers defined.
As used in this chapter, the terms “knives and daggers” shall include any knife having a blade of three inches or more in length; any spring-blade, switch-blade or snap-blade knife; any knife any blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device; any ice pick or similar sharp stabbing tool; any straight-edge razor or any razor blade fitted to a handle. (Ord. 11915 § 1, 1979.)
13.62.020 Carrying knives and daggers in plain view prohibited.
It is unlawful for any person to carry on his person, in plain view, any knife or dagger. (Ord. 11915 § 2, 1979.)
13.62.030 Exemptions to chapter applicability.
The foregoing restrictions shall not be deemed to prohibit the carrying of ordinary tools or equipment for use in a lawful occupation or for the purpose of lawful recreation, or where the carrying of a knife or dagger is a recognized religious practice. (Ord. 11915 § 3, 1979.)
13.62.040 Violation--Penalty.
Any person violating this chapter is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not exceeding $500.00 or by imprisonment in the County Jail for a period not exceeding six months, or by both such fine and imprisonment. (Ord. 11915 § 4, 1979.)
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per the penal code, a dirk/dagger is any knife readily available as a stabbing weapon. a locked open folder, carried concealed, is also considered as such.
nothing in the penal code states a dagger is a double edged knife.
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I don't, that is why I say "dirk and dagger" as opposed to say fixed blade.
Yep. In the real world there is a big differance between say a Gerber Mark II and a trailing point skinner. But thanks to the very purposefully worded "dirk and dagger" definition in 12020, everything from a VII Commando dagger to a Bic Pen is now a dirk or dagger.
I have successfully argued for a few fixed blades but it is rare. The Hideaway is one that I have pretty much always gotten LEOs and DAs to agree is legal.
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i find this very interesting. i woud have thought the "metal knuckles" subsection would apply.
Dang, how did I miss the 3" listing in the city muni, I must be slipping.
I was thinking the the 3" was for the county code only, not also for the city code.
county ord and city muni are nearly identical. seems to me that these codes were written to specifically address the legality of fixed blade carry per the penal code.
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Knife laws are basically racist. The federal limitations on switchblades were enacted out of hysteria. Obviously, a fixed blade knife is faster to deploy, stronger and more "dangerous" than a springback. And today, almost any folder with a thumb stud can be opened and locked as quickly as an automatic. Yet the antiquated laws stay on the books.
Some of the worst of the U. S. knife laws reflect the use of knives as weapons at different points in history by various minorities and especially organized gangs. I can walk down the street in my small California town with a combat knife, full-length double-edged sword or large machete hung from my waist, but I can't carry a 3" folder in Los Angeles? I wonder why.
Elsewhere I cited the recent local case of a young man successfully prosecuted under the concealed dirk or dagger provision of state law for carrying an unsharpened screwdriver, even though he hadn't brandished it or used it to commit a crime. Guess how he was dressed?
Each item that is specifically outlawed tells a story and further complicates the basic issues. A knife isn't dangerous unless it is used as a weapon. We have laws against brandishing, threatening bodily harm, assault and battery, maiming, etc. We don't really need separate knife laws.
Some of the worst of the U. S. knife laws reflect the use of knives as weapons at different points in history by various minorities and especially organized gangs. I can walk down the street in my small California town with a combat knife, full-length double-edged sword or large machete hung from my waist, but I can't carry a 3" folder in Los Angeles? I wonder why.
Elsewhere I cited the recent local case of a young man successfully prosecuted under the concealed dirk or dagger provision of state law for carrying an unsharpened screwdriver, even though he hadn't brandished it or used it to commit a crime. Guess how he was dressed?
Each item that is specifically outlawed tells a story and further complicates the basic issues. A knife isn't dangerous unless it is used as a weapon. We have laws against brandishing, threatening bodily harm, assault and battery, maiming, etc. We don't really need separate knife laws.
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i am sure the legislators realize this, brother.
they are just closing the noose on us.
slow-boiling the frog.
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Amen to that, Vector! And we're not the only ones:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm
How long before this daffy idea comes to America? I thought someone was making up a bad joke when they told me about this.
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yup.
i hear they are already starting a state licensing on machetes in Massachusetts.
....i encourage them to bring it on, i want the Revolution to start as early as possible.
it won't be pretty, but it will be more sane than any of this perverted garbage.
vec
First of all I'd like to thank you for helping defend our fellow knife enthusiasts. I was just arrested and put in jail last month for having a CA legal automatic which is of course less than 2 inches and a push knife similar to the Cold Steel Mini Pal, also less than 2 inches long and single sided blade. All of this after a traffic stop because my front headlight was out just like you're case in Irvine. I informed the officer the knives were in the middle compartment. I also have a clean record. I paid bail for $1,000 and now I have to pay a fine of $300+ for disturbing the peace. :jerkit: They dismissed the charges but I'm out $1,300+ and I'm on probation for 3 years. Could I file a complaint? This is the first time I've had trouble with an officer regarding my knives but this is also the worst. Please excuse my sob story. I reside in San Diego County, arrested in Carlsbad City.
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Consult an attorney. This can't be ok for police to do.
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Unfortunatly there is pretty much nothing that you can do.
So long as the officer can say that there was a "question of law', he is covered and everything coming from that is just SOP.
I am possitive that the defender talked to me on this case, (it sound too familar). If this is the same case I said that it was legal and to push for dissmissal. If the DA wanted to push it, then they haul me and and really start racking up the bills (I am not the most costly. but I aint cheep either).
Even when you do nothing wrong, they can make you pay out thousands to prove it.
That is why I moved back to America.
So long as the officer can say that there was a "question of law', he is covered and everything coming from that is just SOP.
I am possitive that the defender talked to me on this case, (it sound too familar). If this is the same case I said that it was legal and to push for dissmissal. If the DA wanted to push it, then they haul me and and really start racking up the bills (I am not the most costly. but I aint cheep either).
Even when you do nothing wrong, they can make you pay out thousands to prove it.
That is why I moved back to America.
Notice the disturbing the peace? For having a knife inside my car? Basically the public defender said she could lower it to disturbing the peace so I just went with that and $300 fine. I was already out $1,000 for the bail. After a year and a half I can ask to get out of the probation. BTW the cop wrote "switchblade and brass knuckles" on his description of my cali auto and mini pal. :jerkit:
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I live in Long Beach, which is LA County. It appears to me that open carry of a fixed blade with less than 3" blade is not outlawed by either State or LA County codes. Long Beach municipal code is silent on knives and presumably defaults to LA County and State codes.
Does that sound right? That's always been my understanding.
Does that sound right? That's always been my understanding.