Lorien...just stop it....

[Kohai999]

thank you for helping me read the writing on the wall Kevin. I see what's happening here, and I guess it is ok to interpret someone being an asshole as being 'honest and objective'.
I'm at the end of my rope. I have tried to take it in stride all these years, tried to engage, and honestly thought that things were on the upswing. ....... But I can see that I am wearing out my welcome, with Steve showing me the door, "and probably other's" giving me the one finger salute on my way out. It's time for this "complete and total attention whore johnny come lately know it all douchebag" to pound sand. I have tried to not rise to the insults and demeaning language. But why would I want to stick around somewhere where someone has such disdain for me that he takes any opportunity to cut me down? And for someone like the President of the CKCA to condone that? Sure, I doled out some harsh stuff on poor ole Steve a couple times way back when, but I really thought we were past all that. Bladeforums is awesome, but is not a place I care to be any more.

Martyrdom does not sit well on you.

You had plenty of cheerleaders encouraging you and more than a few actively denigrating me.

Your previous thread annoyed me greatly, I shared that annoyance publicly.....without contrition.

If you think I take every opportunity to cut you down, you are delusional...this is simply silly.

You have been shown MANY courtesies by the community at large, and by many Forumites as well. You are appreciated here, loved by many, liked by all....and yet you snap?

Man up, get over it, and keep on keepin' on....it's knives, not saving the world, not even building really great bike trails....you belong here....and if it takes leaving you alone completely in order for you to feel welcome and safe, so be it.

It isn't about winning at the the end of the day....it's about the community

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[JParanee]

Lorien that's as close to an apology as your gonna get


Seriously bud Kevin did not mean it the way you took it IMHO and STeven is just being himself charming and witty


I enjoy your stuff and so do many others

I have also at times felt the way you do

STeven and Kevin have also

Believe me it passes All is good

 

[Brennanscott]

No dog in this fight here but that was a downright olive branch there.

I would take it.

Peace.

 

[betzner]

Lorien, seems like everyone on this forum has done battle with each other before. But we stuck around and grew from it. Like Steven says, it's community that counts and I couldn't agree more.

Bob

EDIT: And you went WAY overboard on your interpretation of Kevin's remark. So............just stop it!

 

[KYJ]

Lorien, STeven...I always enjoy to see the post of you.

Each of us have variant points of view.
We sometimes agree, and sometimes disagree and discuss.
I think that it is the sound forum.

I would like to keep on seeing both of you on this forum.
So please remain here, Lorien.

I also try to post and share my opinion...with my poor English.

 

[RogerP]

If someone apologized to me by calling me silly, delusional and annoying, I just might possibly misinterpret the sentiment.

You know, I also thought Lorien's additional thread was something of " a bridge too far", but I am not the forum police, I found nothing particularly objectionable or offensive about a bit of excess enthusiasm, and I chose to do what I do in a great many threads that don't (or no longer) interest me - I said nothing.

STeven chose to do otherwise and that is his choice. It is not one I would have made. But I fully understand why Lorien would find it particularly hurtful to have the CKCA president, with the CKCA banner flying under his post, essentially condone that public slap-down, if not the precise words used.

Roger

PS - presevred for posterity:

thank you for helping me read the writing on the wall Kevin. I see what's happening here, and I guess it is ok to interpret someone being an asshole as being 'honest and objective'.
I'm at the end of my rope. I have tried to take it in stride all these years, tried to engage, and honestly thought that things were on the upswing. ....... But I can see that I am wearing out my welcome, with Steve showing me the door, "and probably other's" giving me the one finger salute on my way out. It's time for this "complete and total attention whore johnny come lately know it all douchebag" to pound sand. I have tried to not rise to the insults and demeaning language. But why would I want to stick around somewhere where someone has such disdain for me that he takes any opportunity to cut me down? And for someone like the President of the CKCA to condone that? Sure, I doled out some harsh stuff on poor ole Steve a couple times way back when, but I really thought we were past all that. Bladeforums is awesome, but is not a place I care to be any more.

 

[sheathmaker]

Lorien, probably the easiest thing in the world to do is just quit. Why, you don't even need any balls to do that.

Now, some words of advise from an old man. Step outside your skin and take a good look at your self. Is this whole confrontation really worth a whit in the grand scheme of things?

Yeah, but Stevie always picks on me and then Kevin agrees! First, So What??
Second, that is your interpretation of what Kevin meant.....it was not my interpretation. Third, you reaction is not what I expected from a bike riding,trail clearing, mountain man of the great white North.

Man Up! Take the parts that will serve you well in the future and discard the rest, and be here with us to enjoy the ups and downs of our community, which will surely include a fair share of discord between various members of our clan on any given day.

I will be disappointed if you take your leave, but as you know that is your sole and private decision. Please make the one I think is right.

Paul

 

[Kevin Jones]

Lorien, probably the easiest thing in the world to do is just quit. Why, you don't even need any balls to do that.

Now, some words of advise from an old man. Step outside your skin and take a good look at your self. Is this whole confrontation really worth a whit in the grand scheme of things?

Yeah, but Stevie always picks on me and then Kevin agrees! First, So What??
Second, that is your interpretation of what Kevin meant.....it was not my interpretation. Third, you reaction is not what I expected from a bike riding,trail clearing, mountain man of the great white North.

Man Up! Take the parts that will serve you well in the future and discard the rest, and be here with us to enjoy the ups and downs of our community, which will surely include a fair share of discord between various members of our clan on any given day.

I will be disappointed if you take your leave, but as you know that is your sole and private decision. Please make the one I think is right.
Paul

Originally Posted by Kevin Jones >
Steven is a long time and productive member of this forum and does offer us (among other things) needed balance between honest and objective opinion/critique and over zealous pats on the back and high fives. Even though he could be more courteous and tactful at times in doing so.

His (and probably other’s) point could just have easily been made by just simply saying “Lorien, there definitely can be too much of a good thing”.
But then, that wouldn’t have been our STeven.

Paul, I'm glad both you and Joe and I hope others interpreted my above post in the way it was meant, even though Lorien and Roger did not.
Actually, I'm not surprised how Roger took it as his mission in life seems to be to take everything I post and using his lawyer tactics turning it into something it's not.

Lorien, my intention was to acknowledged Steven's considerable contributions to this forum in general while noting there's often a price some pay for it (first paragraph). And to state that he could have gotten his point across to you with a little more tact and courtesy (second paragraph).
I didn't intend to upset either of you.
In fact your non-ending and contagious enthusiasm here and in the community in general is noticed and MUCH appreciated by both me and the CKCA. I hope you re-consider your leaving this forum.

 

[Mark Knapp]

Lorien Be a duck dude, let it roll off of your back. It's all good here, I would like to see both of you stay here

 

[RogerP]

Actually, I'm not surprised how Roger took it as his mission in life seems to be to take everything I post and using his lawyer tactics turning it into something it's not.

LOL! Like when you falsely accused me of pilfering photos without the photographer's permission, then recklessly suggested I may have broken the law in doing so? All with the full weight of the CKCA behind you? Riiiiight, I'm the one out to get you. Suuuuure. Cry me a river Kevin.

Roger

 

[bandaidman]

The custom knife world needs more people like Lorien who so obviously enjoys collecting and using custom knives.

Without enthusiastic new collectors this hobby will not thrive.

 

[Kevin Jones]

LOL! Like when you falsely accused me of pilfering photos without the photographer's permission, then recklessly suggested I may have broken the law in doing so? All with the full weight of the CKCA behind you? Riiiiight, I'm the one out to get you. Suuuuure. Cry me a river Kevin.

Roger

Recklessly suggested that you may have broken the law?
Really, I don't see that in my quote below, I see your twisting my words again to suit your purpose. If anything, I suggested that you were extremely inconsiderate in posting information on the internet on Xmas eve regarding 10 people's Xmas gifts and the gift giver's name when you knew full well that Jerry didn't want that information divulged.

And just for the record Roger, when I was asked to head the CKCA, I did not agree that I would be totally void of personal opinion from that point on.

Originally Posted by Kevin Jones >Even thought Jerry and I are very good friend, I always ask his and/or Chuck's permission before posting their photos. Jerry of course wanted me to complete our previous thread on the sets, however asked me not to post the photo before Christmas. He didn't want to take the chance that his client's family members receiving the gifts would see the photo prior to their receiving/seeing the knives.

Even without the "copywrite, all rights reserved" warning that was clearly printed directly below the photo, what gave you the right to post the photo on a public forum on Christmas Eve knowing that the knives were Christmas presents without asking either Jerry or Chuck's permission?

 

[RogerP]

Recklessly suggested that you may have broken the law?
Really, I don't see that in my quote below, I see your twisting my words again to suit your purpose. If anything, I suggested that you were extremely inconsiderate in posting information on the internet on Xmas eve regarding 10 people's Xmas gifts and the gift giver's name when you knew full well that Jerry didn't want that information divulged.

And just for the record Roger, when I was asked to head the CKCA, I did not agree that I would be totally void of personal opinion from that point on.

No need to twist your words Kevin - they are pretty twisted all on their own.

But keep on trying to paint yourself as the poor hard-done-by victim. You are nothing if not a consummate politician, Mr. President, so spin away. Just don't expect me to buy your malarky.

Roger

PS: Just to correct your revisionist history:

They were posted on the photographer's photo storage site not a forum. Anyway, not like it's a classified secret, I just ask first.

Actually, it's poor form to use pictures from someones album without express permission and possibly illegal.

I agree.

Oh - and feel free to point out where I posted the gift giver's name, if you can. (Let me help you out - you can't - just another Kevin Jones false accusation.)

 

[Kevin Jones]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karda>
Actually, it's poor form to use pictures from someones album without express permission and possibly illegal.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Jones >
I agree.

I think most folks would agree with Karda's general statement, especially you being a lawyer.

Originally Posted by RogerP>
Oh - and feel free to point out where I posted the gift giver's name, if you can. (Let me help you out - you can't - just another Kevin Jones false accusation.)

You posted a photo of the Bowie set with the gift giver's full name in the title block. Considering how bright you are I'm sure you noticed that All other posted photos of each set have the name of the client who commissioned the sets removed.
Since you opened the door by bringing this subject back up and accusing me of false accusations and calling my integrity into question, do you remember our PM exchange of 4/27/2010 regarding your requesting additional information on the Fisk sets? I told you that I couldn't give any details other than the sets were commissioned by a very private and wealthy Fisk client to be given as Xmas gifts to family members each year? Do you remember your reply "I perfectly understood that the client may wish to keep things private"? Well it's perfectly obvious from your actions on Xmas eve that you didn't understand even thought I made it crystal clear.
If you don't recall I can post up the PMs if you like?
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=802474

 

[betzner]

Half this thread now seems to be devoted to petty crapola between Roger and Kevin. I am not trying to speak for STeven - it's his thread - but seems like the rest of us are interested in Lorien right now, not in "Trivial Pursuits".

Why not take the drama private, rather than have the "infection" spread here in this thread. Lorien (and the retention thereof) has become more important - at least in this thread, I think - than either of you.

Better yet, maybe STeven had the right words to begin with.....just stop it..........

And let's get back to getting Lorien back!

Respectfully,

Bob Betzner

 

[Buffalohump]

Personally I think that if a perceived insult lead to a challenge of pistols or sabres at dawn like in the days of yore, people would be a lot more careful about what they said. Perhaps if we all conducted ourselves as if that was still the case, we could enjoy this forum without all this petty BS!

 

[Balislinger]

It's funny, I'm just getting into collecting custom knives, and often when I tune into threads in this subforum it's members arguing with each other. I can understand the impulse to defend oneself and one's character in the face of what one believes to be misinformation, but let me share something I learned in 5 years of communal living. I spent the first year or two trying to vehemently defend myself from false and misleading accusations, until I was taught a refined lesson from someone wiser than myself. It was that at the end of the day, one's character will always be apparent to others, and so will that of other people. In other words, just be yourself, and others will come to know the type of person you are. I would prefer the senior members of this subforum just not respond to one another. Let the membership at large witness everyone's character for itself. The words of defense don't typically enhance one's image anyways. I typically evaluate people based on my own contact with them, not others reports. I hope others have a similar habit

 

[Kevin Jones]

Half this thread now seems to be devoted to petty crapola between Roger and Kevin. I am not trying to speak for STeven - it's his thread - but seems like the rest of us are interested in Lorien right now, not in "Trivial Pursuits".

Why not take the drama private, rather than have the "infection" spread here in this thread. Lorien (and the retention thereof) has become more important - at least in this thread, I think - than either of you.

Better yet, maybe STeven had the right words to begin with.....just stop it..........

And let's get back to getting Lorien back!

Respectfully,

Bob Betzner

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Lorien, seems like everyone on this forum has done battle with each other before. But we stuck around and grew from it. Like Steven says, it's community that counts and I couldn't agree more.
Bob

EDIT: And you went WAY overboard on your interpretation of Kevin's remark. So............just stop it!

Bob, I agree this thread should have absolutely nothing to do with Roger and I. And I can understand Lorien's mis-interpretation of my post as he's obviously upset.
However Roger saw an opportunity to follow Lorien's lead and make me look bad while throwing gasoline on the fire. So unfortunately it's become about us bickering. I only defend myself here against Roger's attacks, I have no desire to communicate with him in his threads, via PM or e-mail, only if it's face to face. I have always found that people are more successful in ironing out or addressing their differences that way.

 

[ddd]

Lorien,

I too think that Steven explained himself well enough to be
truly considered an apology. Maybe not so much for what he said but surly
for the somewhat offensive way it was said and therefore hitting
you in the gut... That is his way of saying "I really went too far this time"...

Believe someone who was hit really ruthlessly by Steven, but later, realizing
his mistakes took it all back like the real "Mench" he is.

Lorien, I consider Steven one of the "Good Guys", sometimes too fast
on the draw and with the trigger finger, but lucky for us all - words can
be taken back....

It may sound strange to say this to a relatively new comer, but reconsider
your decision, which really is a little out of proportion to the event.
Your presence here has brought a "Fresh Spirit" (translated from Hebrew)
that is not easily found nowadays.

Actually I understood him saying that he wants to kick ME in the balls, not you...
And that, OUCH! is getting really physical... I could feel it from 8,000 miles away!

All the best,
David Darom (ddd)

 

[Jon Brand]

Wow were falling apart.

Lorien I also wish you'd stick around but i'm just a dude and can't change your mind.

My guess is if you leave this forum you will end up using the knife to clear trails.