Lost a peice of kit - handcuff key

I carry a tactical handcuff key at work, it might be worth looking at one as they are a little longer and round so they would fit in a different spot than the little ones. It might work and it might not just an idea.
 
maverick3981 said:
LOL, why would you want one on a survival kit? Or am i too dumb?
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The initial scenario that comes to mind involving handcuffs involves the police, and attempting to escape after being handcuffed may not be wise in most instances.

But you have to remember, the police aren't the only ones that have handcuffs.


And since this thread is back up...I actually found my handcuff key...it slid underneath my box o' gear that's on my desk and in my search I never lifted it up:o
 
This worries me a lot. I have been in LE for 28 years and never seen anyone except LE officers and escaping prisoners/persons who beleive they may be arrested, that had need of a handcuff key for any legit reason. Is this the type of persona we knife users want to project to the rest of the knife hating world?

I know people here did not make this but this is a poor choice of topics that the public can view.

This is not meant to provoke an argument just my thoughts.


This is a quote from the sellers site, this leads me to believe there is only one reason to market this:

"Existing users of the handcuff key usually wear between 4 and 12 keys on their person. In various test situations, various searches by seasoned law enforcement personnel typically only finds a few of the keys".
 
DH1 said:
The initial scenario that comes to mind involving handcuffs involves the police, and attempting to escape after being handcuffed may not be wise in most instances.

But you have to remember, the police aren't the only ones that have handcuffs.


And since this thread is back up...I actually found my handcuff key...it slid underneath my box o' gear that's on my desk and in my search I never lifted it up:o
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If your in handcuffs, real metal ones, chances are you belong there. But it's true, not only cops have them. I have a pair for in the case of home invasion, robbery or the like. I don't carry them with me outside the house.

Chances are, if your being falsely imprisoned, it's going to be zip ties, duct tape or rope your shackled with.

Alot of those can be defeated with a shoelace or paracord and some dexterity.
 
Ossa1970 said:
This worries me a lot. I have been in LE for 28 years and never seen anyone except LE officers and escaping prisoners/persons who beleive they may be arrested, that had need of a handcuff key for any legit reason. Is this the type of persona we knife users want to project to the rest of the knife hating world?

I know people here did not make this but this is a poor choice of topics that the public can view.

This is not meant to provoke an argument just my thoughts.
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Criminals have been using handcuffs for years. When Ted Bundy was arrested the first time, it is one of the items he had in the VW Bug that peaked the curiousity of the police.

I do not think that the protectionist racket of not allowing the public to view certain topics is the way to go. This is The United States, it is not a police state...yet.

If you or any other law enforcement officer follows proper procedure and you are observant, there is no key in the world that will be detrimental to your safety.

I absolutely do not believe in law enforcement keeping secrets from the public.
 
Ossa1970 said:
This worries me a lot. I have been in LE for 28 years and never seen anyone except LE officers and escaping prisoners/persons who beleive they may be arrested, that had need of a handcuff key for any legit reason. Is this the type of persona we knife users want to project to the rest of the knife hating world?
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Sorry, but by your logic I should also hand over my guns as only the cops should need them.

Not all cops are always the good guys, hate to say that, I come from a law enforcement background and support the police 110% but it's a reality.

As far as the knife hating public..... F'em. I'm much more concerned with serving and protecting myself and my loved ones than what others think of my actions.

I carry a handcuff key everyday. If I were arrested for a good reason or even a bad one by an honest cop, he'd be told about it just like the gun I'd likely be carrying.
 
Ossa1970 said:
This worries me a lot. I have been in LE for 28 years and never seen anyone except LE officers and escaping prisoners/persons who beleive they may be arrested, that had need of a handcuff key for any legit reason.
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I believe Jeff said, when the E&E kit came out, that there may be times when you're in a 3rd world country that, even if the arrest is "legit" (yeah, define that in some of those countries. . .), it may be in your best interest to be able to haul balls anyway.

Think outside the box man. Not everyone stays in the US their whole lives.
 
I have a relative who owns a military surplus store. If there is a law against selling handcuffs, he is unaware of it. You can get handcuffs all over the place, and from what I understand, the key is so simple that most cheap non-LE handcuffs have the same shape, and can therefore open LE handcuffs.

The handcuffs are a big seller and they sell them right from the front counter. It is one of the first things you see.
 
Everyone here, I assume, is an adult. I hope both reasonable and logical. Sure, sometimes a troll wanders in any forum and upsets the order of things for a time...but look... These are the cold, hard facts about handcuffs and law enforcement in The United States of America as of the end of 2009. Smith & Wesson, Peerless, Hiatts and the now defunct American Munitions which became American Handcuff Co. and Crockett & Kelleys are all very, very well made SHIT, they're junk, they're garbage. For decades now, handcuffs have been bought and sold and barring a few little peculiarities, most of these cuffs have interchangeable keys. For decades, it has been the same, exact, dirt-simple warded lock mechanism that can be picked open and at times shimmed open if single-locked.

There is no mystery about this to the bad guys. This is why I vehemently disagree with "Ossa1970's" concerns about the proliferation of these keys or ANY "universal" handcuff key. Google "Ponchai Wilkerson," please, by all means do that tonight right after you read this. The bad guys already have all of this information and complaining that it should not be placed into a public forum is only to keep the truth from good Citizens, the bad people already know this stuff.

You can buy a lot of different equipment, you can buy cuffs, keys and other implements...you can make the implements yourself. Police can follow proper procedure and actually do their job and observe the person in their custody and this defeats ALL picking, shimming and key concealment attempts.
 
Joben said:
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explain please? :)
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otis williams said:
something like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IShghbDZMlo
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Very similar.

I lace all my boots with 550 because commercially available shoelaces are weak junk.

Most of the plastic cuffs and zip ties your likely to be subdued with are unreinforced polypropylene. The material that the 550 is made out of has a much higher melt temp, thus friction applied with the 550 will melt through the "cuffs".

If your hands are bound in front of you and you can reach your shoes to untie them and tie the opposing lace to your shoe you can then "saw" through your cuffs to free yourself.

You then have to remember that your feet are tied together before you try to run.:D
 
shotgunner11 said:
Sorry, but by your logic I should also hand over my guns as only the cops should need them.

Not all cops are always the good guys, hate to say that, I come from a law enforcement background and support the police 110% but it's a reality.

As far as the knife hating public..... F'em. I'm much more concerned with serving and protecting myself and my loved ones than what others think of my actions.

I carry a handcuff key everyday. If I were arrested for a good reason or even a bad one by an honest cop, he'd be told about it just like the gun I'd likely be carrying.
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exactly:thumbup:
 
I keep a S&W handcuff key on my keyring. Put it there years ago when I was sworn as a law enforcement officer. I was too lazy to remove it after I resigned my reserve officer position but it has come in handy at my day job when coworkers have gummed up the big stapler and request to use my Chris Reeves Sebenza to clear it. The handcuff key has pryed out the crumpled staple stack nicely a couple of times as they only thing I have let one of them use the Sebenza for was to cut up a lime to fit in his Boulevard Wheat Light bottle at retirement party.

Darin
 
If you are handcuffed with hands behind you (which any sensible person will do when tying you down), what are the chances of you reaching to one of the many keys hidden on your person?
 
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