LOTAR knives

from one of @Larrin 's blog posts: (notice d2 at the bottom of the toughness score results...)
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2018/06/04/toughness-testing-cru-wear-z-wear/
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having said that, I expect the dozier you mentioned is tempered down to under 60 hrc, which should improve the toughness result a little, but it's still overall low compared to many other steel types

there is also a whole charpy testing thread you can check out for more results for more types: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/call-for-charpy-toughness-samples.1548360/
 
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Got ya.
So less tough than some other steels but tough enough to get the job done.
I suspect, that D2 would do just fine for most applications including the aforementioned tacticlol basement ninja knife.
Thats of course just my opinion after having used D2 for various 'hard use' applications for years.
 
BladeScout said:
D2 not tough - compared to what?
I of course dont know what you compare to (taffy?) but I have several D2 (and A2) knives and used them for example for hunting for years. They keep up well with skinning deer, wild boar, Kudu, Zebra, Warthogs etc.
Dozier and his customers seem to be okay with D2 as well.
Im not having a dig at you - merely curious.
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if it's China d2, it's probably not heat treated as well to perform that nice. Dozier ht is way better.
 
Mo2 said:
if it's China d2, it's probably not heat treated as well to perform that nice. Dozier ht is way better.
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Cant disagree with that. I wouldnt purchase any of these 'mystery steel' knives.
Doziers are excellent knives. Sadly, it has become fashionable to diss D2. I assume some of it is of ignorance, some because of bad experiences with 'mystery steels,' the rest I dunno.
We have excellent moden wonder steels (which is an awesome thing), but it means that some turn up their noses at older steels. Carbon steel built nations but many wouldnt dream of buying 'old fashioned' carbon steel knives. They do get a patina ... and worse ... after all.
Then it was 440 which has gotten a bad rep, even though it worked well for generations. Now we see VG10 getting frowned at, even though it has brought affordable knives in a very good steel to many customers for years.
 
BladeScout said:
Cant disagree with that. I wouldnt purchase any of these 'mystery steel' knives.
Doziers are excellent knives. Sadly, it has become fashionable to diss D2. I assume some of it is of ignorance, some because of bad experiences with 'mystery steels,' the rest I dunno.
We have excellent moden wonder steels (which is an awesome thing), but it means that some turn up their noses at older steels. Carbon steel built nations but many wouldnt dream of buying 'old fashioned' carbon steel knives. They do get a patina ... and worse ... after all.
Then it was 440 which has gotten a bad rep, even though it worked well for generations. Now we see VG10 getting frowned at, even though it has brought affordable knives in a very good steel to many customers for years.
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Its not that the older steels are bad, they just want more for there money. So they want the latest brand/model name or what's popular or what they perceive as premium. In addition to that they generally have better corrosion resistance and higher edge retention. Generally harder to sharpen unless using diamond, but I'd say good d2 is harder to sharpen without diamond also.

In anycase, no steel is bad per say, but heat treatment, geometry and composition for the tasks it's required, are very important. And most people don't realize any of that. They just want the best materials for the money and the style they find appealing to the eye, oh yea, it's got to be a flipper on bearings and has to have a steel lockbar insert. Lol. Knives are now trendy. The popular knife reviewers arnt helping any of this but making it worse.
 
Mo2 said:
Its not that the older steels are bad, they just want more for there money. So they want the latest brand/model name or what's popular or what they perceive as premium. In addition to that they generally have better corrosion resistance and higher edge retention. Generally harder to sharpen unless using diamond, but I'd say good d2 is harder to sharpen without diamond also.

In anycase, no steel is bad per say, but heat treatment, geometry and composition for the tasks it's required, are very important. And most people don't realize any of that. They just want the best materials for the money and the style they find appealing to the eye, oh yea, it's got to be a flipper on bearings and has to have a steel lockbar insert. Lol. Knives are now trendy. The popular knife reviewers arnt helping any of this but making it worse.
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I agree with some of your points.
For some, its also the lemming effect. They have to have the very latest to post pics of on the forum and insta.
Some might never utilize the knife to its full potential. I bet many have more knives, than they can ever use up. That doesnt mean, that they dont want the latest.
Being into knives, its tough to withstand the lure, I get that. I have carbon steel cheapos from Terävä and they would serve me well for many years. I still sprung for a CPK HDFK because its such an awesome knife snd that thing will work.
 
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great examples, you picked companies that do a really fine job for their respective steel treatments:
terava for 80cr2 & cpk for 3v
 
Lapedog said:
When you live in Israel you have to join the military at age 18 at which point you become an Israeli Commando.

Price of living in Israel is so high that the guys can’t afford life once they get out of the military.

So to the Israeli dude behind this likely reading my post, I get it you’re a hustler and you need to make some money.
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Show how much you know on Israel...especially on the IDF and living costs in Israel :\
 
Eytan (Ethan) K said:
Show how much you know on Israel...especially on the IDF and living costs in Israel :\
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I know what my cousins and family tell me. Which is that a lot of the younger guys getting out are moving to Europe where the rent is lower. I’m not an IDF soldier and never have been.

There are obviously places in Israel that are more affordable than others. Also different individuals will be able to afford different things. Plus what “afford” means varies from person to person.
 
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Does this look familiar?
This company sells cheap junk like $10 cheap the are nothing but lying con artists. Do some research on the so called maker "N300-Nir-i won't post is last name" look at when the business was registered look up the address. Then search the address and another business is actually at that premises called 'BECORE- experimental marketing agency'. You might then argue that maybe they have moved however keep searching and 'you will see 'Nir is actually the director of designs strategies and concepts' he has done very well to hid his actual image from all social media making sure he isn't tagged no account etc typical work of a con artist.
There are others like this such as hardcore hardware now trading as halfbreed blades why do they do that? Because they know they are selling cheap junk but they back it with life time warranty they sell as many as they can till people catch on and when the warranty claims start flowing they shut up shop & reopen under a different business name claiming that they are not the same company but worked on the original designs thats why the knives look the same.
These cockroaches sell their junk knives for prices that real knife makers struggle to sell their actual handmade blades they have put tens of hours of backbreaking work into. They deserve to be called out so people to waste their hard earned money.
 
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Sorry
Ernest Curry said:
If have found out the hard way, beware of Lotar, I bought off on his story and thought he was legit since he was on Emerson’s podcast. It’s a shame but the product is sub par
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To hear it man people suck i tried to post the link of the pretty much identical Chinese ones for sale for $7 or something like that minimum order 600.
Isay it over and over again all you really need to do to verify id these companies are legit is check out their social media accounts if they haven't got work in progress shots from start to finish they are talking rubbish that they hand make them. They wouldn't know the difference between a 2x72 grinder and their own asshole.
 
As someone else put it, "I feel bad for D2 steel".
When I was first getting into knives, I thought it was a "super-steel" and almost bought a Glock knife because of it. I assume these guys bank on people with just a little bit of knowledge.
 
Hashishiin said:
As someone else put it, "I feel bad for D2 steel".
When I was first getting into knives, I thought it was a "super-steel" and almost bought a Glock knife because of it. I assume these guys bank on people with just a little bit of knowledge.
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I have never heard of a Glock brand knife with D2. Any info on this you could share?
 
Hashishiin said:
And there isn't even a TOW-missle range finder anywhere on the knife?! I'll stick with that guy. Unless this is the same guy, could well be.
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I believe it is. Here's that tacticlol turd:

Tacticlol Knives II: The Return of Ridiculous

I watched the video and the maker said that one is headed to Knifecenter. So it should be available soon. :eek: I kinda want to start a pool... How much will they ask for it, how much will it sell for, and how long will it sit on the shelf?
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