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Well said Bruce!
I tried to explain the subtle nuances here once. Well several times. Always to no avail. In fact, I was directly attacked for it. Even Coop challenged me on it.
I see that he has now handled enough Loveless Knives to appreciate the differences.
It is there for anyone to see., But only if you know what to look for and why. And more importantly why it is done the way it is, and its purpose. Every shape and angle on a Loveless has a purpose. Not because it looks good.
And there is the big difference between the copiers, and a true Loveless. They many times do a fine job. At times, an excellent job. Especially on one model. Maybe on two or three. BUT, it is one thing to mimic the lines, and quite another to know exactly what to look for and why the subtleties are there.
There are well over 50 patterns here at the Lovett Shop, given to me by Bob and Jim. Between the two of them, they have spent countless hours with me. Teaching me the subtle design and how and why it is there. And of course how to achieve it.
We brain storm on how to improve our Knives. Some of the ideas, both bob and Jim's as well as mine have been Incorporated into the Knives we both make. The Loveless Shop, and the Lovett Shop. Both have benefited.
Sure there are Lovett Knives out there that were not quite there. It has been a long road, but few if any here have seen where they are now.
In 2005, If I remember right, Bob was at a show. The Art Knife Invitational. Louis Chow had a table there. Stan Chan was at the table as well. Seems like Bernie Pang was around too.
A collector/customer was there talking to Bob. He wanted to have a look at the Big Bear on the table. Bob handed him the BB, and the customer made the usual remarks about the balance, and feel of a Loveless. And how no one could match it. Bob explained some of the subtle differences, and how so many want to Be's missed it.
When the customer walked away, Louis said to Bob, Bob-- That was a Lovett. It was the one lying beside your's. Without missing a beat, Bob said "Hell, it doesn't matter, they're just alike! But I get a lot more for mine! He wasn't trying to be sarcastic, It was Bob being Humorous. Bob could Crack you up! He could be a riot to be around once you got to know him and his dry humor.
A lot of times some one would get ticked off at Bob for a sarcastic remark from him. If they had just gotten to know him a little better, they would have realized, that many times it was just Bob's brand of humor. A shame really. He was a great Guy. And very generous with his time and Knowledge.
As to all the Guy's trying to capture the Loveless essence, and it not being exact, I can say this. Exactly what Bob would say. "Make your Knives to please yourself. Not someone else." If they don't get what you are trying to do, that is their problem. Not yours.
For me, I would like to add,
Every one of you are doing a fine job in your own right. Keep it up Guy's!
I sure am going to miss him!
Mike
I tried to explain the subtle nuances here once. Well several times. Always to no avail. In fact, I was directly attacked for it. Even Coop challenged me on it.
I see that he has now handled enough Loveless Knives to appreciate the differences.
It is there for anyone to see., But only if you know what to look for and why. And more importantly why it is done the way it is, and its purpose. Every shape and angle on a Loveless has a purpose. Not because it looks good.
And there is the big difference between the copiers, and a true Loveless. They many times do a fine job. At times, an excellent job. Especially on one model. Maybe on two or three. BUT, it is one thing to mimic the lines, and quite another to know exactly what to look for and why the subtleties are there.
There are well over 50 patterns here at the Lovett Shop, given to me by Bob and Jim. Between the two of them, they have spent countless hours with me. Teaching me the subtle design and how and why it is there. And of course how to achieve it.
We brain storm on how to improve our Knives. Some of the ideas, both bob and Jim's as well as mine have been Incorporated into the Knives we both make. The Loveless Shop, and the Lovett Shop. Both have benefited.
Sure there are Lovett Knives out there that were not quite there. It has been a long road, but few if any here have seen where they are now.
In 2005, If I remember right, Bob was at a show. The Art Knife Invitational. Louis Chow had a table there. Stan Chan was at the table as well. Seems like Bernie Pang was around too.
A collector/customer was there talking to Bob. He wanted to have a look at the Big Bear on the table. Bob handed him the BB, and the customer made the usual remarks about the balance, and feel of a Loveless. And how no one could match it. Bob explained some of the subtle differences, and how so many want to Be's missed it.
When the customer walked away, Louis said to Bob, Bob-- That was a Lovett. It was the one lying beside your's. Without missing a beat, Bob said "Hell, it doesn't matter, they're just alike! But I get a lot more for mine! He wasn't trying to be sarcastic, It was Bob being Humorous. Bob could Crack you up! He could be a riot to be around once you got to know him and his dry humor.
A lot of times some one would get ticked off at Bob for a sarcastic remark from him. If they had just gotten to know him a little better, they would have realized, that many times it was just Bob's brand of humor. A shame really. He was a great Guy. And very generous with his time and Knowledge.
As to all the Guy's trying to capture the Loveless essence, and it not being exact, I can say this. Exactly what Bob would say. "Make your Knives to please yourself. Not someone else." If they don't get what you are trying to do, that is their problem. Not yours.
For me, I would like to add,
Every one of you are doing a fine job in your own right. Keep it up Guy's!
I sure am going to miss him!
Mike
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) or not. My knifemaking has improved quite a bit since I started 5 years ago, but I figure I've still got a LONG way to go yet!
Seems the entire Knife World out there knows about the connection between Loveless, Merritt and Lovett, but some how Mum's the word from the rag's.
