Lyme Disease

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Well, after being out in the woods a lot lately, I am fairly certain I have Lyme Disease. No, I haven't gone to the doctor yet but I have the classic bullseye reaction. I found a tick on my back on Tuesday morning, I was out fishing from shore on Sunday and then worked Monday. That bastard was probably on there since Sunday, when my wife pulled him off, he was the size of a dime.

Anybody else had to deal with Lyme's? What was the outcome?

I will be seeing the doctor on Tuesday, Monday is a Memorial Day and I don't think it constitutes an emergency room visit.

Kevin
 
Ouch, sorry to hear that. I've heard it can go either way, just get testing and treatment. Hopefully you don't have it.
 
I had it when I was around the age of 13. Unfortunately, I went several weeks from the bite to diagnosis and treatment. I had to go to four doctors before it was correctly diagnosed as Lyme and not the flu. It was pretty much the worst thing I have ever experienced. For a period of about two weeks, I could literally not move. I felt like I was dying. I couldn't eat anything, could only take the smallest of smallest sips of water without vomiting. All the oral medicine I took, I vomited back up. I spent the entire time in bed, unable to move.

That being said, I have other friends and family that have had it, and they only felt very mildly sick. Probably because they caught it early and got it treated. I also know someone that is now in a wheelchair for the rest of his life because of it. So it can go wildly in either direction. Just make sure you get it treated as soon as you can.

One last thing, because it is kind of funny. I spent those miserably two months in Connecticut, in the town next to East Lyme (which the disease is named after). But I got the tick bite at boy scout camp in Virginia.
 
I had a tick that had theclasic bullseye pattern. I went to the hospital and had it removed and was tested and I came back negative. I would go to the hospital for piece of mind.
Good luck buddy
 
I had it a few years ago, never had the bullseye as far as I can remember, although if they get you someplace inconspicuous like your scalp you'd never know. No idea how long I had it before the first noticeable symptoms appeared. I was doing a job and suddenly noticed a lot of pain my knee when I was climbing or descending stairs. After three days of this I went to a doctor and he suggested a knee x-ray. It cleared up the following day so I never went and chalked it up to a bad twist. That was in November. The following June the same pain appeared in my other knee, although this time it didn't clear up, just got worse. Went back to the docs and once again he suggested an x-ray, which I had done and not surprisingly showed nothing. Next up they wanted to do an MRI, which I was more than willing to go for as by this time the pain was 24/7 and BAD. Mind you I had no experience with Lyme previous to this. The MRI showed nothing, and by this time my knee was swelled up to the point that it was as wide as my thigh, had to get the fluid drained three times, the pain was intense, I was out of work as I couldn't bear sitting in a car for more than ten minutes, let alone having to actually bend my leg to drive. Couldn't sleep as there was almost no way to position my leg that it didn't feel like someone was driving a knife through my knee, needed a cane to walk, and pretty much wore it out as I had to put all my weight on the cane when I walked. I was in agony no matter what position I was in. About that time I was back to the docs, and there just happened to be a sub in the office. The first thing she asked me was "do you have tics in your area?". She recommended a blood test and it came back with the highest titer number they'd ever seen. They immediately put me on antibiotics for a month, and within about two weeks I started feeling some relief. I steadily got better, with the knee taking probably another month or two to finally feel back to normal. I had some residual stiffness in it for a year or so, but now it's back to normal. That experience was a nightmare! Honestly if docs see someone come into the office with an injury similar to that, and no idea how they got it, the first thing they should do in tic infested areas is order a Lyme test. It's just a blood test, how hard is that? Spotting that bullseye is the best thing that could have happened to you. My brother had the same thing on the back of his thigh, was put on antibiotics, and never had a symptom. I do suggest that you inquire as to weather you should take food with the medicine. I had the misfortune of having a pharmacist put a "no food for half an hour" label on the bottle. I felt sick every time a took a pill, and after a call to the docs found out that I was SUPPOSED to take food with them! They're made extra potent for just that reason.

The bullseye's not a small swelling, it's a red dot, with an area of pale or yellowish skin, ringed by a red circle. The circle on my brother's leg was probably three inches wide. Also, the tests oftentimes don't come back positve for a month or so. If you initially test negative, I'd go back after a month for a re-test, or just wait a month before you go. At least ask the doc for suggestions.

Eric
 
Hi Kevin,

I’m sorry to hear about your being infected with Lyme disease. Unfortunately much of the medical field (and the general public) downplays the seriousness of Lyme disease. I am convinced that the CDC – because of their illogical recommendations to the medical field – is somewhat responsible for the rapid spread of the disease and the fact that so many (with Lyme disease) become so very ill.

That may seem somewhat harsh, but I speak from personal experience.

I was infected with Lyme disease (I had the bull’s eye rash) in May of 2000 but didn’t seek medical treatment (until I became extremely ill some four years later) because I was under the false impression that Lyme disease caused nothing more than a few days of flu-like symptoms and possibly some arthritic joints. I wasn’t worried because so many people told me that Lyme disease wasn’t a big deal; besides, arthritis runs in my family and I had suffered with that since I was in my twenties.

Not going to a Lyme-literate doctor immediately was probably the biggest mistake I’ve made in my life. It nearly killed me and the disease infected my central nervous system.

I began having memory loss and frequently got lost in familiar places (like my neighborhood). I had great difficulty controlling my extremities and sometimes couldn’t walk without holding onto something. My speech became slurred and I often appeared to be intoxicated to others. I began to have problems with my eye-sight and often had sharp-stabbing pains shooting throughout my body. I always felt completely worn out – as if I had just completed a marathon – and simple tasks would leave me winded and nearly unable to breathe.

Like many with Lyme disease, I was misdiagnosed (several times) before I insisted upon a Lyme disease test. I was even informed – by the doctor – that I had bone-marrow cancer and I began the task of preparing myself (and my family) for my probable death.

Three months later – after taking large doses of antibiotics – the doctor sent me to an infectious disease specialist who proclaimed me to be cured, though he cautioned me that I could have lingering symptoms for up to two years. (He couldn’t explain how someone could be “cured” but still have symptoms)

I went back to work and six months later was extremely ill again. This time the doctor (who had treated me for Lyme disease) refused to treat me for Lyme disease again (thinking I had been cured) but couldn’t explain my illness since the myriad of tests (for other diseases) showed up negative.

At this point I began to take Lyme disease a little more seriously and did some research to find a Lyme-literate doctor. I lucked out and found one (only 1 hour away) who immediately put me on large doses of antibiotics.

After six months of treatment I made yet another huge mistake: I was feeling better (and needing money badly) so I insisted that my doctor release me back to work.

I played this stupid game of going back to work, only to become even more ill in a few months (and going out of work) for the next 3 years, until I finally became so ill that I simply couldn’t continue on.

In that time, my Lyme-literate doctor had retired, so I had to find another Lyme-literate doctor for treatment. I’ve been on high doses of antibiotics ever since – and I am doing better than I was – but the damage has been done and it is highly unlikely that I’ll ever be capable of going back to work.

I’ve lost a lot to Lyme disease – my health, my ability to think like I used to, my job, and my sense of self-worth. I almost lost my house and my illness has caused a great deal of stress for both my wife and I. My savings is gone; I went over one full year without any income and I found out that some of my “friends” weren’t friends at all (once I no longer had money and nice toys).

There is no aspect of my life that Lyme disease hasn’t damaged or ruined.

I tell you this because I want you to take Lyme disease with the upmost seriousness.

If you have the bull’s eye rash, you have Lyme disease. The rash doesn’t always show up but when it does, you have Lyme disease.

Go to your doctor on Tuesday and insist that he/she runs a Lyme disease test. Do not be surprised if it shows up negative – there are a lot of false negatives. Insist that the doctor puts you on antibiotics – be very firm about this.

If the doctor refuses to treat you for Lyme disease – find a doctor who will.

Check out www.lymenet.org and go to the discussion groups to request a Lyme-literate doctor in your area. You will probably have to travel some distance to a Lyme-literate doctor, but your health is well worth it. Don’t be surprised if the Lyme doctor does not take insurance – it’s still worth it.

Now for the good news:

Most cases of Lyme disease are treatable – I don’t believe Lyme is curable – if you receive treatment in time. According to my Lyme doctor, the disease rarely attacks the central nervous system (lucky me, huh?) and is typically limited to headaches, flu-like symptoms, aches and pains, fatigue and arthritis in one or two major joints.

The sooner you get treatment, the less symptoms/problems you will have down the road.

You might consider Pam Weintraub’s book “Cure Unknown: Inside the Lyme disease Epidemic” for more information.

A couple of other things to note:

Don’t be surprised if your Lyme doctor frequently changes your medication: the spirochetes (the Lyme bacterium) are notoriously difficult to kill.

If the dose is doing its job, you will feel absolutely horrible (it’s called “herxing”) when the spirochetes are being killed off (they release their toxins upon death, which makes you quite ill). (I am not positive that newly infected people with quick treatment herx, but I thought you should be prepared if it does happen)

As is the case oftentimes, what works for one doesn’t always work for another person. Severely decreasing my intake of sugar seems to make a significant difference for me – but it may not help you at all.

You can be infected multiple times. We do not become immune to Lyme disease by being infected.

Don’t let Lyme disease ruin your love of the outdoors; just use common sense while enjoying outdoor activities:

Wear light-colored clothing (pants tucked into your socks) and use insect-repellent. Check yourself frequently for ticks (deer ticks are about the size of a pin-head, so check very well) (have someone check those areas you cannot see) and check your pets as well.

I wish you the best of luck and Good Health.
 
Lyme symtoms vary, as well as the severity. My father had it recently, from a tick, and in cleared up quickly with antibiotics. I worked with a fellow who had it years ago and it damned near killed him. His hair started graying as he was so ill. It is estimated that 100,000 people in the U.S. are ill from undiagnosed Lyme Disease. The worst cases require a stint into the chambers of the heart in which to put meds accompanied by periods in a hyperbaric chamber.
 
I have a friend who's been fighting neurological Lyme disease for about a year and a half. She's about to go in for an extremely difficult treatment that may end up killing her, but she's desperate enough to take the risk.

Don't mess around with it. If you suspect you have Lyme, get treatment immediately.

Good luck.
 
I'm sorry what you went through. My test came back negative,maybe a false negativelikeyou said, but my doc still gve me antibiotics for a bit. So that might have saved me.
It is a serious thing. I hope you do well.


Hi Kevin,

I’m sorry to hear about your being infected with Lyme disease. Unfortunately much of the medical field (and the general public) downplays the seriousness of Lyme disease. I am convinced that the CDC – because of their illogical recommendations to the medical field – is somewhat responsible for the rapid spread of the disease and the fact that so many (with Lyme disease) become so very ill.

That may seem somewhat harsh, but I speak from personal experience.

I was infected with Lyme disease (I had the bull’s eye rash) in May of 2000 but didn’t seek medical treatment (until I became extremely ill some four years later) because I was under the false impression that Lyme disease caused nothing more than a few days of flu-like symptoms and possibly some arthritic joints. I wasn’t worried because so many people told me that Lyme disease wasn’t a big deal; besides, arthritis runs in my family and I had suffered with that since I was in my twenties.

Not going to a Lyme-literate doctor immediately was probably the biggest mistake I’ve made in my life. It nearly killed me and the disease infected my central nervous system.

I began having memory loss and frequently got lost in familiar places (like my neighborhood). I had great difficulty controlling my extremities and sometimes couldn’t walk without holding onto something. My speech became slurred and I often appeared to be intoxicated to others. I began to have problems with my eye-sight and often had sharp-stabbing pains shooting throughout my body. I always felt completely worn out – as if I had just completed a marathon – and simple tasks would leave me winded and nearly unable to breathe.

Like many with Lyme disease, I was misdiagnosed (several times) before I insisted upon a Lyme disease test. I was even informed – by the doctor – that I had bone-marrow cancer and I began the task of preparing myself (and my family) for my probable death.

Three months later – after taking large doses of antibiotics – the doctor sent me to an infectious disease specialist who proclaimed me to be cured, though he cautioned me that I could have lingering symptoms for up to two years. (He couldn’t explain how someone could be “cured” but still have symptoms)

I went back to work and six months later was extremely ill again. This time the doctor (who had treated me for Lyme disease) refused to treat me for Lyme disease again (thinking I had been cured) but couldn’t explain my illness since the myriad of tests (for other diseases) showed up negative.

At this point I began to take Lyme disease a little more seriously and did some research to find a Lyme-literate doctor. I lucked out and found one (only 1 hour away) who immediately put me on large doses of antibiotics.

After six months of treatment I made yet another huge mistake: I was feeling better (and needing money badly) so I insisted that my doctor release me back to work.

I played this stupid game of going back to work, only to become even more ill in a few months (and going out of work) for the next 3 years, until I finally became so ill that I simply couldn’t continue on.

In that time, my Lyme-literate doctor had retired, so I had to find another Lyme-literate doctor for treatment. I’ve been on high doses of antibiotics ever since – and I am doing better than I was – but the damage has been done and it is highly unlikely that I’ll ever be capable of going back to work.

I’ve lost a lot to Lyme disease – my health, my ability to think like I used to, my job, and my sense of self-worth. I almost lost my house and my illness has caused a great deal of stress for both my wife and I. My savings is gone; I went over one full year without any income and I found out that some of my “friends” weren’t friends at all (once I no longer had money and nice toys).

There is no aspect of my life that Lyme disease hasn’t damaged or ruined.

I tell you this because I want you to take Lyme disease with the upmost seriousness.

If you have the bull’s eye rash, you have Lyme disease. The rash doesn’t always show up but when it does, you have Lyme disease.

Go to your doctor on Tuesday and insist that he/she runs a Lyme disease test. Do not be surprised if it shows up negative – there are a lot of false negatives. Insist that the doctor puts you on antibiotics – be very firm about this.

If the doctor refuses to treat you for Lyme disease – find a doctor who will.

Check out www.lymenet.org and go to the discussion groups to request a Lyme-literate doctor in your area. You will probably have to travel some distance to a Lyme-literate doctor, but your health is well worth it. Don’t be surprised if the Lyme doctor does not take insurance – it’s still worth it.

Now for the good news:

Most cases of Lyme disease are treatable – I don’t believe Lyme is curable – if you receive treatment in time. According to my Lyme doctor, the disease rarely attacks the central nervous system (lucky me, huh?) and is typically limited to headaches, flu-like symptoms, aches and pains, fatigue and arthritis in one or two major joints.

The sooner you get treatment, the less symptoms/problems you will have down the road.

You might consider Pam Weintraub’s book “Cure Unknown: Inside the Lyme disease Epidemic” for more information.

A couple of other things to note:

Don’t be surprised if your Lyme doctor frequently changes your medication: the spirochetes (the Lyme bacterium) are notoriously difficult to kill.

If the dose is doing its job, you will feel absolutely horrible (it’s called “herxing”) when the spirochetes are being killed off (they release their toxins upon death, which makes you quite ill). (I am not positive that newly infected people with quick treatment herx, but I thought you should be prepared if it does happen)

As is the case oftentimes, what works for one doesn’t always work for another person. Severely decreasing my intake of sugar seems to make a significant difference for me – but it may not help you at all.

You can be infected multiple times. We do not become immune to Lyme disease by being infected.

Don’t let Lyme disease ruin your love of the outdoors; just use common sense while enjoying outdoor activities:

Wear light-colored clothing (pants tucked into your socks) and use insect-repellent. Check yourself frequently for ticks (deer ticks are about the size of a pin-head, so check very well) (have someone check those areas you cannot see) and check your pets as well.

I wish you the best of luck and Good Health.
 
I'm sorry what you went through. My test came back negative,maybe a false negativelikeyou said, but my doc still gve me antibiotics for a bit. So that might have saved me.
It is a serious thing. I hope you do well.

Thank you very much for your well wishes. It truly means a lot to me.

The really sad thing is - there are many people who are far more ill (due to Lyme) than I am (many of them are kids).

I am very happy that you were treated in time.
 
Anybody else had to deal with Lyme's? What was the outcome?

I havent had Lyme personally, but i know a guy who was sick for 10 months because of it. He still have problems with his short term memory. Like others have said, the outcome can swing wildly from one extreme to another BUT the ones who suffer most, are the ones who didnt discover the tick in time. They all went to the doc with symptoms, not knowing theyd been bitten by a tick. Im sure youll be allright, as soon as your doc starts your treatment. Good luck :thumbup:

@Tahts-a-dats-ago: Sorry to hear you went through that much. If theres one thing i cant stand, its incompetent doctors. People need to bang their fist in the table an hold their ground, if they suspect the doc is wrong. I hope things turn out better in the future for you, and youll be back to your old self.
 
My experience is similar than Tahts-a-dats-ago's. I got infected twice and did not know it. Latter tests identified two different infection periods. I was misdiagnosed several times in a period of 3 years and even treated with high dosages of steroids for 6 months for Sweet's Syndrome (which turned out I did not have, they confused a Herxheimer reaction with Sweet's Syndrome symptoms), which latter made some of the preferred treatment for Lyme out of the question. When I was finally treated I was bed ridden and by this time I had been unable to work for 6 months. My symptoms were similar to Tahts-a-dats-ago too. I temporarily lost short term memory and part of long term memory (for a time I forgot all of my college and Seminary education). Could not think straight, could not make decisions (I literally spent 15 minutes trying to decide if I wanted to buy Corn Flakes or Honey Nut Cheerios), has eyesight problems, blood pressure problems, coordination problems, speech problems, limited movement, severe joint pain, severe exhaustion for minimal effort, confused languages (in my mind Spanish, English, French, and Sign Language got all mixed up and sometimes could not find the right word to say except in the wrong language), felt bugs crawling on my skin, and had mixed sensory signals (touch something with the right hand and felt it in the left, or smell something and my mind tels me it smells green). Fortunately most of my symptoms are gone or have diminished, but it took a year and a half of treatment, and several re-treatments. Still today I can't say I may not need a re-treatment in the future. That been said, I'm not back to 100%. 2 of my kids have it too. One developed ADHD from the neurological symptoms. The other is home-schooled since her joint pain makes it difficult for her to attend public school.

I agree completely with the recommendations of Tahts-a-dats-ago. I also recommend the book Cure Unknown. Pamela Weintraub was scientific editor for Discover Magazine and worked as editor in chief for OMNI and as consulting editor for Psychology Today. She has a talent for explaining the science of the issue in terms very easy to follow and as a Lyme patient, can explain the issue also from the standpoint of the patient, nit just the journalist/scientist. I would also recommend the documentary Under Our Skin, which you can rent on DVD or watch streaming from NetFlix. This documentary was a semifinalist for the Academy Awards (documentary category), finalist and official selection of the Tribeca and Silverdocs Film Festivals, and winner of a number of regional film festivals.

His recommendation of Finding a Lyme literate doctor is extremely important. We had a pediatrician yell at my wife and me that our children could not have Lyme, and if they did, she would not treat them. The fact that you have the Erythema Migrans (bull's eye rash) means that you are infected. Not everyone who is infected will develop the rash, but the rash is proof positive of infection. According to the guidelines of the CDC, Lyme is diagnosed clinically (by symptoms) and no test is required to diagnose Lyme. This is a change from the previous IDSA guidelines that required a test. The problem is that no completely reliable test exists for the diagnosis of Lyme. Both ELISA and the Western Blot test tend to have false negatives (ELISA much more than Western Blot). The most trustworthy tests we have at the moment locates Lyme DNA in the blood or Lyme Antigens in the urine, but neither test is approved by the IDSA or is mentioned in the CDC guidelines.

The good news is that the real problem with Lyme is time. The Borrelia Spirochete (Lyme bacterium) has a high mutation rate. This means that several reproduction cycles can have different protein sequence coating. This protein sequence is what allows the immune system to identify a particular bacteria. The more reproduction cycles of Lyme the more likely Lyme will "camouflage" from the Immune system. This is one of the reasons all attempts at a Lyme vaccine have failed. This protein sequence change also makes particular sequences more effective in infecting different systems of the human body, requiring changes in antibiotic treatment to get them all. The earliest you start treatment, the easiest it will be to eradicate the bacteria, and the more likely that you will have no lasting symptoms.
 
I got it when I was 16, had a Hugh fever and was I bed for a week till I started treatment, luckily I didn't have any lasting issues, I know someone that is deaf in one ear from Lyme disease that went untreated.
Get it checked out ASAP
 
I had the classic bullseye 20 something years ago. Didnt know what lyme disease was. Did not get sick or anything. Slowly I started becoming intolerant to heat. Maybe just getting older. Id get exhausted and not be able to finish mowing the lawn for example, maybe old age again. Became hypoglycemic, hypertensive , uncoordinated.Last year I finally asked my Dr about the tick bite and if my health problems could be related. He said no way, because lyme disease is not present in Missouri.
 
Funny I currently am being treated for lyme... went hiking weds found the bugger sitting the middle of a pink silver dollar sized bullszeye on Friday...
doc gave me a two week antibiotic measure as a prophlyllactic... its a heavy dose of medicine that will cause your skin to burn severely in the sun if precautions are not taken.. but supposedly once it;s over with you good to go.
the worst part so far has been that they through me a going away party at work last night and I couldn;t drink because of the medicine.
Good Luck Brother.. Feel better
 
ALso Dipbait, as a medcial professional I can say it might be time to find a new doctor. I know the docs know that there;s no lyme where you are.. but do the ticks know this?
 
It really is important to find those ticks as soon as possible after you've been bit. The bacteria that causes lymes diseases lives in the tick's gut, so until the tick actually starts feeding, you can't get it. Apparently it takes 48 - 72 hours after getting bit before the tick starts feeding. So remove the tick before then, and you're good to go. A swollen and engorged tick is bad news.

Deer ticks actually come in different sizes, depending on their stage of development. The most dangerous ones are the young ones -- the "nymphs" if memory serves -- because they're no bigger than a sesame seed, which makes them hard to find, which means they have a bigger chance of feeding.

People who live in Minnesota and Wisconsin, and who live on the eastern seaboard, really need to take the threat from this disease seriously. You can get it in other parts of the country, but the threat is lower because the percentage of the deer tick population that's infested with the lymes-causing bacteria is lower.

Best practice is to check your body THOROUGHLY for ticks every single day that you're engaged in outdoor activities during tick season. Since ticks can and will bite you in the scalp, those of you who live in lymes-infested areas might want to consider buzz cuts or even shave your head if you're going to be running around in the woods, just so you have a better chance of spotting the tick if you get bit. You might want to consider shaving other parts of your body too.

I've never had lymes disease, but recently I got a nasty tick bite (it got infected and started hurting almost immediately), which is why I ended up having an extended conversation with a doctor about lymes. Scary stuff.

Minnesotashooter, if I was you I'd get to the emergency room today. The sooner they start you on antibiotics, the better.
 
One important thing about getting treated for Lyme disease is that you make sure your doctors give you the correct dosage of medicine. Many times they are afraid that you will become addicted to the medicine so they will not prescribe you enough. This is a problem because if you don't fully kill the Lyme disease it will continue to spread and once it reaches your spinal fluid it will become close to impossible to kill. This was the case with my father who got the disease nearly 13 years ago. His doctors removed him from the medication prematurely and as a result he was never able to get fully rid of the disease. I hope you manage to fight this disease and never get it again.
 
I finally asked my Dr about the tick bite and if my health problems could be related. He said no way, because lyme disease is not present in Missouri.

The same thinking was in vogue here in central Canada. Lately however this view has changed. I got nailed by two ticks a few weeks ago and I Sure hope that I don't get buggered up.
 
I had the classic bullseye 20 something years ago. Didnt know what lyme disease was. Did not get sick or anything. Slowly I started becoming intolerant to heat. Maybe just getting older. Id get exhausted and not be able to finish mowing the lawn for example, maybe old age again. Became hypoglycemic, hypertensive , uncoordinated.Last year I finally asked my Dr about the tick bite and if my health problems could be related. He said no way, because lyme disease is not present in Missouri.

We were told by a Infectious diseases specialist in Texas that our daughter could not have Lyme because there is not Lyme in Texas. The funny thing is that it is against State health policy for a doctor in Texas to say there is no Lyme in Texas. Lyme disease is a very controversial and politicized disease. Some years ago Health insurance companies with the help of the them board members of the IDSA (those board members eventually gave up their board membership in a deal to avoid charges for financial conflict of interests) started to present cases against Lyme literate doctors before the State Medical Licensing Boards. Doctors lost their license to practice medicine for treating Lyme in ways that were contrary to the IDSA guidelines (which are not mandatory and serve as foundation for Health Insurance Companies to refuse the most effective - but very expensive - treatment for Lyme). This resulted in doctors across the nation not wanting to touch Lyme with a 10 foot pole. Things have changed, but many doctors still do not want to deal with Lyme.

I sincerely hope that what you experience is just part of getting old and not Lyme, but I would recommend a second opinion.
 
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