M1 Garand and Becker BK7

dawsonbob said:
The older I get, the more I like 22's. I only have one 9mm left, but I hardly ever fire it anymore. My absolute favorite nowadays is my Ruger 22/45 with a 5 1/2 inch bull barrel. Cheap to shoot, incredibly reliable, super accurate, and quiet, too. What more could you ask?

I used to have a Ruger revolver in 22 wmr. It was a really fun thing to shoot, and packs a pretty good wollop, too. When you get one, you'll love it: it's a great caliber.

It's too bad you live so far away. We could go bust some caps.
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after the CMP, i want to see what i can do with a 22...

they had a 22 accuracy shooter there, man after my own heart, he's been doing it for a decade longer though, appleseed, all that, and he was shooting 9s and 10s and Xs at 200 yds with iron peep sights. first time. dang.

check out the kel-tec pmr-30 :> it's a lot like a 5.7 grendel design... well, it IS a grendel design... :>


Bladite
 
Bladite said:
after the CMP, i want to see what i can do with a 22...

they had a 22 accuracy shooter there, man after my own heart, he's been doing it for a decade longer though, appleseed, all that, and he was shooting 9s and 10s and Xs at 200 yds with iron peep sights. first time. dang.

check out the kel-tec pmr-30 :> it's a lot like a 5.7 grendel design... well, it IS a grendel design... :>


Bladite
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Let me get this straight: he was shooting 9's, 10's and X's at 200 yds with iron sights? Man, that a little better than I'm capable of. In fact, I don't think I could do that at half that distance with a good scope now. Not with a .22, I couldn't. Man, that's some shooting.
 
yup, his first time with an M16/223 service rifle too (ETA: he's apparently quite experienced at .22 at 100yds... that's my next step this Season). ... ...

now, it wasn't my first time with 223 but was at 200 yds and i'm not used to iron peep sights... feh. only got about high 350ish out of 500 (50 shots, max 10 point per shot) possible, lots of 8s and 9s, one 10 and one x, many 7s :) only 3 actual misses. feh. had i practiced i could've been a contender.

on the other hand, regular shooters at that club with those same guns gets 400-450s after years and years ;) i'm going to crush them next year ;)

though i might have to either get a patch or learn how to keep both eyes open like i do with a scope or holosight. heh.


Bladite
 
Bladite said:
liking these classy shots of clean M1s and such. never wanted one, but i do now...

mmm...


Ethan likes guns too ;)


Bladite
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If you get your paperwork in place with CMP, you really need to go pick your own M1 out. CMP's customer service is phenominal, but you really will do much better going to the store and looking through what's there. My dad and I have been there a couple of times, and each time we pick out a few we like and then narrow it down to one. By the time we get to that point, the first timers are asking questions. And when we start putting one of our "also ran" rifles back on the rack they get snatched up rather quick!

Not sure where you guys live, but if you are anywhere close to Port Clinton, Ohio I'd meet you at the store and assist in the picking. Heck, it's only 2 1/2 hours for me.

Or, you can go to the local gun show and buy one from one of the guys that show up and buy their annual limit of 12 to pedal them and turn a buck, or $300. CMP just raised the price on the correct grade from $950 to $1100. The service grade rifles are still $595.

Greg
 
Bridgeman said:
If you get your paperwork in place with CMP, you really need to go pick your own M1 out. CMP's customer service is phenominal, but you really will do much better going to the store and looking through what's there. My dad and I have been there a couple of times, and each time we pick out a few we like and then narrow it down to one. By the time we get to that point, the first timers are asking questions. And when we start putting one of our "also ran" rifles back on the rack they get snatched up rather quick!

Not sure where you guys live, but if you are anywhere close to Port Clinton, Ohio I'd meet you at the store and assist in the picking. Heck, it's only 2 1/2 hours for me.

Or, you can go to the local gun show and buy one from one of the guys that show up and buy their annual limit of 12 to pedal them and turn a buck, or $300. CMP just raised the price on the correct grade from $950 to $1100. The service grade rifles are still $595.

Greg
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east coast is a trifle far, and there are enemy states in between for transport purposes. luck of the draw.


Bladite
 
Bladite said:
yup, his first time with an M16/223 service rifle too (ETA: he's apparently quite experienced at .22 at 100yds... that's my next step this Season). ... ...

now, it wasn't my first time with 223 but was at 200 yds and i'm not used to iron peep sights... feh. only got about high 350ish out of 500 (50 shots, max 10 point per shot) possible, lots of 8s and 9s, one 10 and one x, many 7s :) only 3 actual misses. feh. had i practiced i could've been a contender.

on the other hand, regular shooters at that club with those same guns gets 400-450s after years and years ;) i'm going to crush them next year ;)

though i might have to either get a patch or learn how to keep both eyes open like i do with a scope or holosight. heh.


Bladite
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Ah. When you said he was shooting 9's, 10's and X's at 200 yds with iron sights with a .22, I thought you meant with a .22 long rifle, and I thought that was pretty phenomenal. Not only have I never seen that done, I've never even heard of it being done. I was really, really, really impressed, because, while the round will certainly travel that far, I don't think it's accurate enough at that range.

Now that I know you're talking about a .223, which is a heavier, higher velocity round, and pretty accurate, too, it makes more sense.:D

When I was a young Marine we used to routinely shoot at 300, 400, and 500 meters with iron sights (7.62 mm/.308), and some of us were pretty good (others, no so much), and thought we were hot. Then we saw an old guy (old to us; he was probably in his early thirties) knock shot after shot through the ten ring at 500 meters.

Now, granted, the ten ring is pretty large at that distance (bigger target), but it's not that big. Most people couldn't do that with a scope: this guy was doing it with iron sights. We found out that he shot at Wimbledon for the Marine rifle team. Some of us thought we were shooters, until we saw a real shooter in action.

I spent a lot of time on the range after that trying to get that good. Yes, I got to be fairly good after thousands of rounds, but that good? Nah... not going to happen.

You can try a patch if you think it will help. What we did with the guys that had trouble using both eyes at first, was to have them sight, cover their shooting eye so they were only looking out of the other eye (not the sighting eye), and then uncover the sighting eye. I don't know why that worked, but it seemed to help a lot of guys.

I learned to shoot way back when with iron sights, and never had any trouble keeping both eyes open. Now I can't even see the damned sights. Sigh. Old age is such fun... not.
 
Bladite said:
east coast is a trifle far, and there are enemy states in between for transport purposes. luck of the draw.


Bladite
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Still not a bad deal. And if you get something really bad, I have seen them go over and above to make it right. I speak from personal experience.

East Coast? Ohio? East coast of Lake Huron maybe. :D
 
Bridgeman said:
Still not a bad deal. And if you get something really bad, I have seen them go over and above to make it right. I speak from personal experience.

East Coast? Ohio? East coast of Lake Huron maybe. :D
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lake atlantic here :) then again, i has lobstahs and steamahs :>


Bladite
 
dawsonbob said:
Ah. When you said he was shooting 9's, 10's and X's at 200 yds with iron sights with a .22, I thought you meant with a .22 long rifle, and I thought that was pretty phenomenal. Not only have I never seen that done, I've never even heard of it being done. I was really, really, really impressed, because, while the round will certainly travel that far, I don't think it's accurate enough at that range.

Now that I know you're talking about a .223, which is a heavier, higher velocity round, and pretty accurate, too, it makes more sense.:D

When I was a young Marine we used to routinely shoot at 300, 400, and 500 meters with iron sights (7.62 mm/.308), and some of us were pretty good (others, no so much), and thought we were hot. Then we saw an old guy (old to us; he was probably in his early thirties) knock shot after shot through the ten ring at 500 meters.

Now, granted, the ten ring is pretty large at that distance (bigger target), but it's not that big. Most people couldn't do that with a scope: this guy was doing it with iron sights. We found out that he shot at Wimbledon for the Marine rifle team. Some of us thought we were shooters, until we saw a real shooter in action.

I spent a lot of time on the range after that trying to get that good. Yes, I got to be fairly good after thousands of rounds, but that good? Nah... not going to happen.

You can try a patch if you think it will help. What we did with the guys that had trouble using both eyes at first, was to have them sight, cover their shooting eye so they were only looking out of the other eye (not the sighting eye), and then uncover the sighting eye. I don't know why that worked, but it seemed to help a lot of guys.

I learned to shoot way back when with iron sights, and never had any trouble keeping both eyes open. Now I can't even see the damned sights. Sigh. Old age is such fun... not.
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well, i AM hearing that people shoot 200 yds with .22 and get good results with the right gun and ammo. possible.

it also helps to have a sling, which i do now.

the freaks that shoot CMP also have jackets, and magic glove and other things going on for them. this country shooter figures that you use a bipod to sight in, and then you shoot off hand or nothing ;> prone? sheesh, that's for people who can't stand up, right? okay, maybe not ;) prone isn't new to me, but shooting kneeling or seated it. tricky.

http://eyepalusa.com/ seen this?

will try various aids. i like my scope. though i just went to special effort to get some good iron sights for my weird little gun.

probably will end up with a savage 22wmr - with accurate micro iron sights, and match grade trigger. very flat shooting that without the $$$


Bladite
 
Bladite said:
lake atlantic here :) then again, i has lobstahs and steamahs :>


Bladite
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Oops, I read that backward. Yeah, that's a bit of a drive. Mail order it is! They currently have a Springfield Armory Special Service Grade available. Almost new, all SA metal, with an after market stock and handguards. $895 + shipping, which I think is $23. Not a bad deal at all, and there's not a bad one in the lot. Although like I said I had to work on my CMP aftermarket stock to make it nice.
 
Bridgeman said:
Oops, I read that backward. Yeah, that's a bit of a drive. Mail order it is! They currently have a Springfield Armory Special Service Grade available. Almost new, all SA metal, with an after market stock and handguards. $895 + shipping, which I think is $23. Not a bad deal at all, and there's not a bad one in the lot. Although like I said I had to work on my CMP aftermarket stock to make it nice.
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i'm more than likely to buy a match grade modern gun, and a few other things before that.

i should probably ditch a few of my other toys too. much more keen on getting some really current spiffy toys.


Bladite
 
Bladite said:
well, i AM hearing that people shoot 200 yds with .22 and get good results with the right gun and ammo. possible.

it also helps to have a sling, which i do now.

the freaks that shoot CMP also have jackets, and magic glove and other things going on for them. this country shooter figures that you use a bipod to sight in, and then you shoot off hand or nothing ;> prone? sheesh, that's for people who can't stand up, right? okay, maybe not ;) prone isn't new to me, but shooting kneeling or seated it. tricky.

http://eyepalusa.com/ seen this?

will try various aids. i like my scope. though i just went to special effort to get some good iron sights for my weird little gun.

probably will end up with a savage 22wmr - with accurate micro iron sights, and match grade trigger. very flat shooting that without the $$$


Bladite
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The way I learned it was; never stand when you can kneel; never kneel when you can sit; and never sit when you can be prone. Offhand? That's for when you don't have time to get into a good shooting position (like when people are shooting at you).

I bookmarked that link. I'm going to check into it.

I used to have a Mossberg 144 LSB bull barreled target rifle with a decent Redfield scope on it. This was a very accurate rifle, but much beyond 100 meters it was just luck if you hit what you were aiming at, because the round was just too light. The slightest breeze would throw it off. The rifle was capable of far less than minute of angle, but the round wasn't. 200 meters? Wouldn't even attempt it.

Okay, I have to go nighty-night now. 5 am comes far to early for an old man like me.
 
since we're talking about plinking lately :)
 
Anybody know a good place to pick a M1 up? I don't know too much about them, but want one more than just about anything else, I've been in love with the design for years.
 
His work is excellent, if you get a chance check out some of his other slabs....they are sweet.
 
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