m390 HTM Gunhammer!

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EDITTED to add crappy cell phone pics. These will have to do til I get out my DSLR. Just been really busy as of late, but I promised pics, so for now:

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EDIT: It's worth noting that this is a proto of the one knifecenter is getting, meaning stuff could change from now until then. I basically have it as a test bed for the m390.

I have in my hands a demo unit of an exclusive assisted HTM Gunhammer in m390 steel and non-glare bowie profile! Until today, I hadn't actually seen one of the always-updated Gunhammers. Since I have an older s30v version, I can tell right away the subtle changes from revision to revision. I wrote about these changes in other threads before, but to have one in the hand to actually see and feel the differences is something else. There's an overall higher fit and finish on these new Gunnies, which sounds a bit strange at first since the older ones were pretty high quality pieces to begin with. I don't even know where to begin, but here goes nothing!

The military type III hard anno on this m390 version is matte finished compared to the glossy anno of my s30v version. Whether that's an option or not, I'm not sure, but I'm digging the matte finish because it provides more grip over the slicker glossy anno. Down south, humidity really makes even the grippiest of grippy get real slick for me. Hell, stippled handguns feel like I'm holding a bar of soap after a good range session, so any extra grip is welcome for me even if it only gives me 10 minutes or so of extra time before sweat makes holding something an exercise of patience (before I feel like wiping the sweat off with a rag). So more grip = more gooder (wish I could find this Shotshow 2012 video where a representative says "more gooder")! There's a bit more texturing on the finger grooves that my older s30v version doesn't have too. It's a nice touch, pun not intended or was it? :p

The clip is longer now and inset into the aluminum grips.

Jimping is more refined and more frequent. On the s30v version the jimping was more coarse. I also think Darrel has a better water jet cutter now. It's either that or he used a CNC machine for the jimping. One thing I'm indifferent towards is the new jimping on the lockbar. I'd say most people probably welcome this change, but I'm more of an aesthetics kind of guy. What I mean is that on the m390 version the lockbar extends ever so slightly past the grip due to how the jimping is designed. It's "toothier" for lack of a better word. Does it make it easier to release the lockbar? Yes, but I never had problems to begin with even when a lockbar is flush with the grip, a design feature I prefer due to aesthetics, and for the same reason I don't like lockbar relief cut outs. It's functional though. On my custom DDR, my lockbar will be flush by personal request.

Finally the blade profile. The swedge or clip if you want to call it is taken higher. It's ground further back. I think this gives the blade a more distinct bowie shape compared to the spear point (Torpedo as Darrel calls it) shape. It's a good move because the older bowie and spear point looked pretty similar. The blade is also slightly thinner, not in metal stock thickness, but in width from spine to edge. It all makes for a sleeker looking blade. The blade is also stamped HTM, Made in USA and DDR.

I swore never to have an assisted knife again, but this is really nice and different from the conventional torsion bar set up. It uses a coil spring.

Pics to come when I get out the lightbox again.

EDIT: Celtic cross pivot pin is no more. I suspect from here on out, only DDRs will have the Celtic cross pivot pin. The HTMs have this tri-wing swirly design. The pivot pin itself is also thicker than previous versions.
 
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I have in my hands a demo unit of an exclusive assisted HTM Gunhammer in m390 steel and non-glare bowie profile! Until today, I hadn't actually seen one of the always-updated Gunhammers. Since I have an older s30v version, I can tell right away the subtle changes from revision to revision. I wrote about these changes in other threads before, but to have one in the hand to actually see and feel the differences is something else. There's an overall higher fit and finish on these new Gunnies, which sounds a bit strange at first since the older ones were pretty high quality pieces to begin with. I don't even know where to begin, but here goes nothing!

The military type III hard anno on this m390 version is matte finished compared to the glossy anno of my s30v version. Whether that's an option or not, I'm not sure, but I'm digging the matte finish because it provides more grip over the slicker glossy anno. Down south, humidity really makes even the grippiest of grippy get real slick for me. Hell, stippled handguns feel like I'm holding a bar of soap after a good range session, so any extra grip is welcome for me even if it only gives me 10 minutes or so of extra time before sweat makes holding something an exercise of patience (before I feel like wiping the sweat off with a rag). So more grip = more gooder (wish I could find this Shotshow 2012 video where a representative says "more gooder")! There's a bit more texturing on the finger grooves that my older s30v version doesn't have too. It's a nice touch, pun not intended or was it? :p

The clip is longer now and inset into the aluminum grips.

Jimping is more refined and more frequent. On the s30v version the jimping was more coarse. I also think Darrel has a better water jet cutter now. It's either that or he used a CNC machine for the jimping. One thing I'm indifferent towards is the new jimping on the lockbar. I'd say most people probably welcome this change, but I'm more of an aesthetics kind of guy. What I mean is that on the m390 version the lockbar extends ever so slightly past the grip due to how the jimping is designed. It's "toothier" for lack of a better word. Does it make it easier to release the lockbar? Yes, but I never had problems to begin with even when a lockbar is flush with the grip, a design feature I prefer due to aesthetics, and for the same reason I don't like lockbar relief cut outs. It's functional though. On my custom DDR, my lockbar will be flush by personal request.

Finally the blade profile. The swedge or clip if you want to call it is taken higher. It's ground further back. I think this gives the blade a more distinct bowie shape compared to the spear point (Torpedo as Darrel calls it) shape. It's a good move because the older bowie and spear point looked pretty similar. The blade is also slightly thinner, not in metal stock thickness, but in width from spine to edge. It all makes for a sleeker looking blade. The blade is also stamped HTM, Made in USA and DDR.

I swore never to have an assisted knife again, but this is really nice and different from the conventional torsion bar set up. It uses a coil spring.

Pics to come when I get out the lightbox again.

EDIT: Celtic cross pivot pin is no more. I suspect from here on out, only DDRs will have the Celtic cross pivot pin. The HTMs have this tri-wing swirly design.

GO GET THE LIGHTBOX!!!!! Seriously...I wanna see pics...if I have to sell the one I bought at Christmas to get his new one then I need time to evaluate. :p:D
 
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GO GET THE LIGHTBOX!!!!! Seriously...I wanna see pics...if I have to sell the one I bought at Christmas to get his new one then I need time to evaluate. :p:D

I think yours is probably the same design as this one since it's much later into the product cycle. My s30v is a few years old. I'm not even sure if they're out yet.

Will take pics soon enough.
 
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This is one of the things I heard about at SHOT and had been waiting for Darrel/HTM to officially announce. Good stuff! :thumbup:

To fill in a few of the uncertainties/lacunae from Hark's previous post, they aren't out yet. In fact, the dealer just placed the order for the M390 exclusive run of HTM Gunhammers at SHOT last month. As for who the dealer is, I'm not sure I should say since they haven't officially announced it yet and don't have the M390 Gunhammers listed on their site for pre-order yet. But to narrow it down just a tiny bit, they are a dealer who supports the site with a BladeForums dealer membership. So I'm sure you'll see a post in the Dealers area as soon as these go up for pre-order. :)
 
This is one of the things I heard about at SHOT and had been waiting for Darrel/HTM to officially announce. Good stuff! :thumbup:

To fill in a few of the uncertainties/lacunae from Hark's previous post, they aren't out yet. In fact, the dealer just placed the order for the M390 exclusive run of HTM Gunhammers at SHOT last month. As for who the dealer is, I'm not sure I should say since they haven't officially announced it yet and don't have the M390 Gunhammers listed on their site for pre-order yet. But to narrow it down just a tiny bit, they are a dealer who supports the site with a BladeForums dealer membership. So I'm sure you'll see a post in the Dealers area as soon as these go up for pre-order. :)

Thanks for pointing that out to me. I might have almost shot myself in the foot posting some of that info. I edited some stuff out from my OP and the part that 1shot quoted me in that also had it. As far as pics are concerned, maybe it is best served that I do not post any until the online dealer announces them. But, since neuron probably knows the dealer since he was at Shotshow, he could be so inclined to PM the dealer and point him to this thread, and should the dealer allow it, I will post pics.
 
Good stuff guys...thanks. Please keep us posted so we know where to spend the next paycheck...
 
So what is the blade stock thickness on these? I must say, this thread is almost worthless without pics. :)
 
So what is the blade stock thickness on these? I must say, this thread is almost worthless without pics. :)

It's one of the few times where I can't post pics until I get the clear. I'll measure the thickness after I find my digi calipers. If memory serves me right, .121. Will double check asap.
 
So what is the blade stock thickness on these? I must say, this thread is almost worthless without pics. :)
Darrel had some of the updated HTM Gunhammers at SHOT. Two of the main changes were the ones that Hark already mentioned, namely the new pocket clip and some changes to the grind and blade profile of the Bowie version. (The Torpedo version also has some small modifications to the grind and blade profile.)

One other change I noticed was that the blade stock used on the new versions was thicker than on past HTM Gunhammers. I thought they looked thicker as soon as I saw them, but I got my HTM Gunhammer Torpedo (from the TNK exclusive run with copper-colored scales) out of my pocket and held it up next to the new versions just to be sure. If I had to guess just from eyeballing it, I'd say the new versions were around 5/32" (.156") stock. The aluminum scales also seemed a tiny bit thicker, but that may have just been an illusion due to the thicker blade increasing the overall thickness of the knife.
 
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It's one of the few times where I can't post pics until I get the clear. I'll measure the thickness after I find my digi calipers. If memory serves me right, .121. Will double check asap.

Thanks! I look forward to it.
 
The Knifecenter is the dealer that placed the order and we've been too overwhelmed with new items to post about these. We also haven't got a firm ship date. Hopefully we will have some of the M390 gunhammers as manuals. We should have them up for preorder within days. They really are awesome folders. I can't wait to get my hands on one...
Thanks for the enthusiasm!
 
This is exciting indeed. I don't believe Knife Center has ever had an exclusive run with HTM.

Also, blade thickness as measured with my digital calipers is .149 inches. That is thicker since my old s30v version is .121.
 
This is exciting indeed. I don't believe Knife Center has ever had an exclusive run with HTM.

Also, blade thickness as measured with my digital calipers is .149 inches. That is thicker since my old s30v version is .121.

Excellent! You and Neuron both came up with the same measurements. One more question.
With the thicker blade stock is the tip noticeably stronger? Can you post a pick comparing the old and new?

Thanks!
 
The tips are actually the same because of the way the swedge on both terminate at such an acute point at the tip. If there are differences they are imperceptible.
 
I'll take some later this week. I'm gonna assume since Knife Center said hi, that it will be okay. Just remember that the pics are a demo model and while unlikely, the final run might be slightly different.
 
Since Knifecenter mentioned manual flippers, does anyone know if they'll be using the Maxxglide system? Because a manual thrust bearing pivot flipper Gunhammer in M390 would get awfully close to my grail EDC.
 
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