M390 vs. S90V?

Hashishiin said:
I cannot wait to get out of here. I am absolutely aware how easy it is for a normal person to become a felon like that. A lot of normal, otherwise law-abiding people are felons, just for what they had in their pockets, whether that be a capsule of something controlled, the wrong knife, the wrong gun. It's scary, how a pill or powder or an auto-knife can classify me with a person who would threaten others for their belongings, or people who'd do harm to others. That is wild. Odd comparison I know, but I just do not like that "I wanna know what's in that man's pocket" mentality.
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Come to Texas. You can open carry or concealed carry a pistol with no permit. You can also openly carry a long gun with no permit. (Rifle, assault rifle, shotgun…) You do still require a permit to have full-auto weapons, grenades, and a few other classs of exotic weaponry, but for personal defense our laws are hard to beat.

No knife laws to speak of, aside from the federal stuff they have with post offices and courthouses, etc.
 
Bob Denman said:
Leo,
What's their opinion on broadswords?
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Positive. In the local sporting goods stores, you can buy gladiator style gladiuses, four foot spears, the works.

I’m not sure about the laws on openly carrying swords, since I’ve never wanted to, but I feel like logically it should be allowed, given how much less dangerous a sword is than a .45
 
Hashishiin said:
I'm currently living in a non-issue place. There's no way you're getting a permit as an average Joe.
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You live in the wrong county. In my county, if you pass background you will get a permit. On the application for the reason you need the permit you only need to put self defense. The real irony in this state is that with a permit you can carry a pistol legally, but you can be arrested for carrying a concealed 2" fixed blade.

My vote is for S90V. It holds an edge a lot longer for me.
 
Leo Greer said:
Come to Texas. You can open carry or concealed carry a pistol with no permit. You can also openly carry a long gun with no permit. (Rifle, assault rifle, shotgun…) You do still require a permit to have full-auto weapons, grenades, and a few other classs of exotic weaponry, but for personal defense our laws are hard to beat.

No knife laws to speak of, aside from the federal stuff they have with post offices and courthouses, etc.
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They seem to have problems with Radioactive attack cats. Wouldn't let me bring it on the plane. That was 10 years ago. Maybe things have changed.
 
lambertiana said:
You live in the wrong county. In my county, if you pass background you will get a permit. On the application for the reason you need the permit you only need to put self defense. The real irony in this state is that with a permit you can carry a pistol legally, but you can be arrested for carrying a concealed 2" fixed blade.

My vote is for S90V. It holds an edge a lot longer for me.
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I do indeed live in the wrong place. And yeah, I think it's sadly hilarious how in some places you can get arrested for the Microtech 3" OTF that is sitting next to your Glock with a drum. Not that there's anything wrong with the gun, it's just that... "Okay, 50 rounds of 9mm... all good... "THWACK" !!! This is an automatic switchblade! This is an offfensive weapon!"
Honestly probably doesn't happen a lot, people getting busted for JUST a knife, but still... who wants to hazard the risk of confiscation, or imprisonment?

LA county is just all wrong for me... at least I have my folders & spray... can't be charged with a crime for having a waved folder of any length I please. But, I really do have a love and passion for firearms that can't be excersized here... :( I shot the AR-15 rifle for the first time at the range recently, and was excited when they gave me what appeared to be a 30 round mag. I thought, you know, it's a range, some have autos, all kinds of stuff. I'll be able to shoot a normal rifle, right? No, there was a dang fin on the pistol grip and the mag was capped to ten rounds. It's a range, for crying out loud... I should have just shot a normal non-PG rifle.

That is just the one of the weird things about the very, very few ranges here.
 
Hashishiin said:
No worries, mane. I don't know if we did either, ha. Oh, I would carry a gun and a fixed blade if I could. I'm currently living in a non-issue place. There's no way you're getting a permit as an average Joe. Once I move out of CA, hope this will change. Fixed blade laws are bad here, too. Renders anything that would be good, useless, and harder to get out than a waved folder which sometimes feels like I'm drawing a fixed blade, especially in sweatpants, oddly enough. I carry spray as well, and am trying to get the hang of drawing that best I can as I intend that to be my first line of defense if things are going bad. I also like to wear steel-toed boots. I would much prefer not to maim my attacker and lose one of my nice knives, if attacked.

I practice the wave lots, most every other night when I'm sitting around before taking a nighttime stroll. I just bought a wave for my Yojumbo, which was the main issue before, and have a wave on every other knife I may carry for defensive purposes which I am practiced in, and am getting more practiced at. About to get some trainers, as well. I intend to get some proper SD training, too. As for carrying too many knives, I switch up my roto regularly, and have been known to carry four "knives"... lol. A Leatherman Wingman (every day), a main knife like, say, a PM2, a lighter backup knife like a Douk-Douk, Opinel, Case or Mercator and an SD folder like waved Matriarch 2, Yojumbo, waved Yoj-style-Wharnie Endura, Voyager XL tanto, waved Espada XL..

Edge retention doesn't matter in a SD knife, that is why I'd keep the lesser S30V as the waved, defensive knife, whereas the S90V would be more of a dedicated user. This will change as my ability to sharpen improves and I can take a few swipes on whatever before I leave the house if I feel like it. I'm about to put in an order for a sharpmaker today, just to start maintaining my knives while I figure a good guided system to invest in.
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Have you considered any karambits for your self defense knife/knives?
 
tony281sc2 said:
Have you considered any karambits for your self defense knife/knives?
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Well, I consider a Matriarch 2 and a Civilian to be a Sabit/Karambit type knife, right? I want to get one of those retention backspacer rings for the Ma2 to make it even more retention-y, but Wise Men is sold out and the other company that does this doesn't make one for the Ma2/Endura. I would also like to figure out what size hole the Civvie corresponds to, to get an aftermarket wave/tooth/fang for it.

Are you talking about a more traditional karambit, either folding or fixed? I would love to train with one, they seem very impressive, especially dual-edged ones with an impact device on the pommel.
 
Hashishiin said:
Well, I consider a Matriarch 2 and a Civilian to be a Sabit/Karambit type knife, right? I want to get one of those retention backspacer rings for the Ma2 to make it even more retention-y, but Wise Men is sold out and the other company that does this doesn't make one for the Ma2/Endura. I would also like to figure out what size hole the Civvie corresponds to, to get an aftermarket wave/tooth/fang for it.

Are you talking about a more traditional karambit, either folding or fixed? I would love to train with one, they seem very impressive, especially dual-edged ones with an impact device on the pommel.
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Yeah something like the karambits that Fox makes? I don’t know much about them, other than watching some YouTube vids of karate teachers explaining why they are the best in a SD situation
 
tony281sc2 said:
Yeah something like the karambits that Fox makes? I don’t know much about them, other than watching some YouTube vids of karate teachers explaining why they are the best in a SD situation
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Interesting, I will check it out, but I cannot see the benefit of a waved Fox karambit of 3", over a waved Matriarch. But, I am also no expert, maybe they have a better reason. Also, the CS Black Talon II, which incorporates Spyderco's reverese-S design in a more robust way than the Civvie is a thing I want to try, it waves too with the Demko plate.
 
M390 and 20CV are kissing cousins, and S90V and S110V are also very close relatives. My experience with S110V is that it's a challenge to sharpen, and performs best with a coarse edge (hone on 220 grit DMT and finish on 1200 grit DMT). Holds that edge a long, long time. 20CV is easier to sharpen (on diamonds) and will take a very fine edge and hold it a long time. Both are great steels and in actual use would be hard to tell apart IMHO.
 
Hashishiin said:
Interesting, I will check it out, but I cannot see the benefit of a waved Fox karambit of 3", over a waved Matriarch. But, I am also no expert, maybe they have a better reason. Also, the CS Black Talon II, which incorporates Spyderco's reverese-S design in a more robust way than the Civvie is a thing I want to try, it waves too with the Demko plate.
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It’s been a while since I watched this but I found it interesting. Also, I’m not sure what type of karambit it was, probly not a Fox. But I would definitely not want to pull a knife on this guy! Lol
 
Rockwelledge75 said:
Yea but then the question becomes how much toughness do you really need in a folder? Personally I think Magnacut, 4v and cpm-Cruwear are just about as tough as you could possibly ever want or need in a folder, I've seen videos of Magnacut in particular with .017 edge so basically getting close to near zero, be driven into a nail with a hammer and after several strikes and finally cutting through the nail there was no chipping at all, in fact even under magnification could barely see a blemish.

Once at Magnacut/ 4v levels of toughness really the only improvements to be had are in wear resistance, unfortunately there's nothing more wear resistant with that same level of toughness yet so the only thing we can do is trade some toughness for more wear resistance.
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I don't abuse my knives, I am just worried about those fine tips on folders like the Native Chief.

BTW, I would also go with S90V.
 
kobold said:
I don't abuse my knives, I am just worried about those fine tips on folders like the Native Chief.

BTW, I would also go with S90V.
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Point well taken, I actually had a tip break on me in an Aus-8 steel folder I had back in the day and Aus-8 was generally considered a little tougher than 440 stainless so it was kind of disappointing but that being said s30v is tougher and certainly Magnacut is FAR FAR tougher so these kinds of problems are eliminated with modern PM steels. I'm not sure how s90v's toughness is compared 440 or aus-8 though, my guess would be still a hair or a smidgen tougher but it's hard to say, moral of the story is through just don't go prying things with thin tips, s90v is an amazing steel for the purpose it's intended for and that's to be able to make an ungodly amount of cuts on fairly abrasive materials before ever needing to be resharpend.:)
 
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