MACV SOG Bowie - which one?

clearytja said:
I wasn’t sure but..........
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You had no way to know unless you'd seen those threads, so I don't blame you at all for being cautious about secondhand allegations. Unfortunately, there's pretty hard evidence that it's true and has happened on more than one occasion. It may also explain why you had multiple knives with poor heat treat, as it's very hard to heat treat a blade if you're not sure what the steel is.
 
Before the haters try to add another member to their team of misery, take a look at what Apostle P has to say.

I will absolutely fight against the BRKT hating propagandists trying to push their drama or influence on others (which happens a lot with folks that think their opinions are gospel).

 
Roy Batty said:
I’m taking a hard look at the BRK, if you end up getting that fantastic knife from a fantastic maker (Mike Stewart) I’ll be interested to hear your thoughts.
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You don't have one...

You'd be interested in somebody's thoughts on one...

But somehow you can gauge the knife's quality as "Fantastic".

I generally don't put much stock in somebody's assessment of a knife unless they've owned one, used one, or at least seen one in person.

That's just me though, I suppose.
 
Velitrius said:
You don't have one...

You'd be interested in somebody's thoughts on one...

But somehow you can gauge the knife's quality as "Fantastic".

I generally don't put much stock in somebody's assessment of a knife unless they've owned one, used one, or at least seen one in person.

That's just me though, I suppose.
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Oh my... hey, should I change my entire opinion of Bark River to fit your preconceived notions of the quality of every knife they make? Maybe I should join in and bash Mike Stewart too, would that make you happy?
Please just tell me how I can fall in line and make you less offended by my taste in knives.. I really want to make you happy.

I aim to please you, after all.
 
Roy Batty said:
Before the haters try to add another member to their team of misery, take a look at what Apostle P has to say.

I will absolutely fight against the BRKT hating propagandists trying to push their drama or influence on others (which happens a lot with folks that think their opinions are gospel).

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The issue for most of us is simply not 'hate'. Even if you ignore the bankruptcy, the issue is that a2 steel was used (& mislabeled) instead of the cpm-3v (or 20cv) which was what customers ordered: Multiple times over many years. Confirmed by metallurgical reports. (very easy since 3v should have 3% vanadium)

The issue is not hate, it's simply trust.

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bark-river-again.1463481/
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bark-river-believe-the-bad-stuff.1625320/
 
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I'm fully convinced that You will receive a very good knife from both Hattori and Bark River.
What to choose is up to the buyer, but I use both makers and for carpenting/construction I also use Morakniv.
IMO those 3 brands offers the best production knives on the market today.
BRK, Hattori & Mora are simply too good knives to ignore.

Regards
Mikael
edit: From left to right, BRK, Mora, Fällkniven ( blade from Hattori ).
All 3 rehandled by me for personal use.
 
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I put in an order with DLT as I regretted not getting one prior. I got a Randall 1-6 earlier in the year and curious to see how they compare.
 
dirc said:
The issue for most of us is simply not 'hate'. Even if you ignore the bankruptcy, the issue is that a2 steel was used (& mislabeled) instead of the cpm-3v (or 20cv) which was what customers ordered: Multiple times over many years. Confirmed by metallurgical reports. (very easy since 3v should have 3% vanadium)

The issue is not hate, it's simply trust.

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bark-river-again.1463481/
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bark-river-believe-the-bad-stuff.1625320/
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You think a thread about a replacement box not getting sent, and a thread from someone that created a profile just to start a drama session against BRK because he thinks he got A2 instead of 3V should lead to pages and pages and pages of absolute hate? Interesting.

You have your opinions, which by the looks of it can be swayed by fancy story telling and a pile on mentality.. and I have mine, shaped by years of buying and using BRK knives. I’m not going to succumb to your attempt at peer pressure opinion manipulation. Sure, others will... but not I.
 
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Roy Batty said:
You think a thread about a replacement box not getting sent, and a thread from someone that created a profile just to start a drama session against BRK because he thinks he got A2 instead of 3V should lead to pages and pages and pages of absolute hate? Interesting.

You have your opinions, which by the looks of it can be swayed by fancy story telling and a pile on mentality.. and I have mine, shaped by years of buying and using BRK knives. I’m not going to succumb to your attempt at peer pressure opinion manipulation. Sure, others will... but not I.
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You think 20CV rusting like 1095 is a matter of opinion? If you like BRK in spite of their documented issues, that's fine, but if you cling to the idea that they haven't delivered mislabeled steel in the face of hard evidence, well, that makes you every bit the unreasonable zealot you're so desperately trying to paint the folks that distrust BRK as.
 
Roy Batty said:
Oh my... hey, should I change my entire opinion of Bark River to fit your preconceived notions of the quality of every knife they make? Maybe I should join in and bash Mike Stewart too, would that make you happy?
Please just tell me how I can fall in line and make you less offended by my taste in knives.. I really want to make you happy.

I aim to please you, after all.
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Oh my... hey, that's a mouthful.

I'm saying that if you are going to tell me a knife is "fantastic" without ever seeing one or holding one, I'm counting that evaluation as hollow.

And vowing to "fight against all hate propagandists blah blah blah..." along with that hollow assessment is nothing short of FanBoi.

There are folks who have had actual experiences with actual knives, and they are giving their opinions of those knives and experiences. You don't like those opinions, and that's fine. But to label every one of those folks as "haters" is another move that smacks of FanBoi.

Roy Batty said:
I mean, just looking at this picture makes me want to buy one... that’s how good BRK is.
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If you want me to buy this piece, don't use this tactic.
 
Velitrius said:
Oh my... hey, that's a mouthful.

I'm saying that if you are going to tell me a knife is "fantastic" without ever seeing one or holding one, I'm counting that evaluation as hollow.

And vowing to "fight against all hate propagandists blah blah blah..." along with that hollow assessment is nothing short of FanBoi.

There are folks who have had actual experiences with actual knives, and they are giving their opinions of those knives and experiences. You don't like those opinions, and that's fine. But to label every one of those folks as "haters" is another move that smacks of FanBoi.



If you want me to buy this piece, don't use this tactic.
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You weren’t going to buy it anyway. You already grabbed a pitchfork and you’re practically rallying the townspeople to storm Bark River castle.
I do have experiences with Bark River knives, and they are all positive. I own several BRK knives that I use for camping, Bushcraft, EDC, etc. I’ve been there, done that.... so I don’t appreciate your comment that I can’t suggest picking the MACVSOG from the list of options based off my experiences with BRK “unless I’ve owned it”.

I‘m not here to sway YOUR opinion on BRK, but don’t get all puffed up because I disagree with your crusade.
 
Roy Batty said:
You weren’t going to buy it anyway. You already grabbed a pitchfork and you’re practically rallying the townspeople to storm Bark River castle.
I do have experiences with Bark River knives, and they are all positive. I own several BRK knives that I use for camping, Bushcraft, EDC, etc. I’ve been there, done that.... so I don’t appreciate your comment that I can’t suggest picking the MACVSOG from the list of options based off my experiences with BRK “unless I’ve owned it”.

I‘m not here to sway YOUR opinion on BRK, but don’t get all puffed up because I disagree with your crusade.
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LOL!

Okay, Roy. I got no pitchfork, I got no crusade, I got no opinion on Bark River or Mike Stewart. Never have, never will. I don't care.

Was trying to relay to you the FACT that evaluating a knife as "fantastic" based on "just looking at the picture" rings hollow to a lot of folks. Me included.

"All puffed up and rallying the townspeople to storm Bark River Castle"... Hooo boy that's awesome. Total BS, but awesome.
 
Velitrius said:
LOL!

Okay, Roy. I got no pitchfork, I got no crusade, I got no opinion on Bark River or Mike Stewart. Never have, never will. I don't care.

Was trying to relay to you the FACT that evaluating a knife as "fantastic" based on "just looking at the picture" rings hollow to a lot of folks. Me included.

"All puffed up and rallying the townspeople to storm Bark River Castle"... Hooo boy that's awesome. Total BS, but awesome.
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Let’s not derail this thread any longer. I’ll see you at the castle, Dr. Stewartstein and I have some planning to do before you all break in.
“Coming father!”
 
Always loved the MACVSOG design one of the all time great looking knives!On the lower end you can get a Sog Tech w kraton handles for around 100.00 very solid and well built.
 
The Hattori is the best, in my opinion. .280" SK-5 on a 6-1/4" blade is plenty tough, and very solid in the hand. I have the S1, and it's a good using knife, tho it's a bit thick for fine work. It's also not the most practical in the kitchen, but I've used mine there. I've been looking at the BR MACV-SOG, and I like it. Might wind up with one before long. I like semi-custom knives. But that doesn't mean I feel like I would be missing anything, really, if I was using a newer SOG Bowie. I would have to get the leather handle, tho.
 
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goldie said:
Always loved the MACVSOG design one of the all time great looking knives!On the lower end you can get a Sog Tech w kraton handles for around 100.00 very solid and well built.
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If in doubt, buy more knives. While I contemplate Hattori or Bark River, I've bought a SOG Tech bowie. Still cheaper to buy from the USA with import duty and shipping than it is to buy it in the UK...
 
I have a S1 SK-5 , but I would have highly suggested you the 2.0 , their AUS-8 is very well tempered , plenty of user on youtube
good reliable strong knives in my opinion , but tec would do the job too , just the handle too modern for my taste
 
Ruari said:
I've recently rekindled an interest in the SOG bowie - whether it's the original 6" CISO style, the SOG S1/SS1 - you get the picture.

Now, the quandary. I'm finding it difficult to locate a 86-06 SOG S1, and I've been looking at the current Bowie 2.0. Along the way, I've discovered that Bark River make a good looking version, as does Hattori (who originally made the SOG S1/SS1).

So, which contemporary MACV SOG bowie would you get? The current SOG 2.0 , the Bark River, the Hattori, or, hold out for a good 86-06 2nd hand SOG S1?
I can't seem to find any reviews of the Bark River MACV SOG (there are scathing indictments of the owner/designer though...) and I'm going to guess the Hattori would be a solid performer given the pedigree.
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Here's one for sale at auction

we do not link to auction sites on these forums. please read the forum rules.
 
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