"Made in Sheffield" 1830-1930, A golden age ?

[Modoc ED]

Thanks Ed, handsome knife I'm afraid it's late here, and I'll need to post a pic or two, so I'll get back to you tomorrow if that's ok

Jack Black - Here it is again in brighter light. The red shows up more in these pictures.




The red shows up a bit better here too.

 

[Jack Black]

Jack Black - Here it is again in brighter light. The red shows up more in these pictures.

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The red shows up a bit better here too.

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Thank you for the extra pics Ed, it's a great-looking knife, of much better quality than most of the Sheffield knives produced during the period I think it was made. In fact I can remember being surprised by the quality, and not alone in that. Would I be right in thinking the blades are stainless? Thanks for including a photo of the box too, did you also get a wee slip of paper with a potted history of the Wostenholm company, and some advice on knife care perhaps?

First to say that, compared to American knives, tang stamps are not usually as useful as they might be in terms of dating Sheffield knives. Sheffield cutlers were conservative and tight-fisted, and tended to use the same tang-stamp design for decades, sometimes for generations. Factors like the changing of a Monarch, the birth of sons, a company becoming Limited, that we look for in terms of dating knives, are not always reflected in the tang stamp, certainly not immediately, and this is not helped by the fact that most firms used a range of outworkers, and subcontracted production, or part of the production, to other firms. Old blades would certainly never be thrown away, irrespective of their tang stamp, even if the firm had changed names, or even gone bust.

The Canoe is not a traditional Sheffield pattern, and rarely seen. Indeed, I can only think of them in relation to later-period Wostenholm production. The later 20th Century was not a good time for the Sheffield cutlers, with even the great firms greatly reduced in size. In 1971, Wostenholm were acquired by their long-term rival Joseph Rodgers, with the new company continuing to produce knives under both names, as well as Rodgers-Wostenholm. In 1975, they were bought by the Richards Group, and in 1977 by Imperial.

In 1978, a Gunboat Canoe was produced for the US National Knife Collectors Association, with the Rodgers-Wostenholm tang stamp, and a standard Canoe was included in the 'Schrade-Wostenholm' range of knives, launched in 1978. There is some controversy about these well-made knives, and some of them were simply assembled in Sheffield from US (Camillus) manufactured parts, or even imported wholesale. I had a brother-in-law who was one of Wostenholm's last apprentice cutlers, and he told me of the secrecy surrounding their 'production' at the Richards factory on Moore Street, Sheffield, where Rodgers-Wostenholm had moved.



Things get more murkier, because after 1982, when the Richards factory closed, the old names were acquired by a former accountant at Richards, by the name of Vic Rickless, who shamefully licensed the Wostenholm name to Jim Parker, who got knives, including a Gunboat Canoe, made in Japan, marked with the Wostenholm name. Your knife isn't one of these Ed, but I believe it was made during the period that Wostenholm were owned by Imperial. Unfortunately, my internet connection is barely functioning today, which is very frustrating, but I'll try to include some photos.



Here's another knife produced during the same period, with the classic IXL tang-stamp

 

[herder]

Jack Black - Here it is again in brighter light. The red shows up more in these pictures.

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The red shows up a bit better here too.

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There is a very comprehensive article on the history of the Schrade/Wostenholm collaborative knives in the latest issue of "Knife Magazine" (Dec. 2025).
A canoe model was included in that article and was introduced in 1980.

 

[Modoc ED]

Thank you for the extra pics Ed, it's a great-looking knife, of much better quality than most of the Sheffield knives produced during the period I think it was made. In fact I can remember being surprised by the quality, and not alone in that. Would I be right in thinking the blades are stainless? Thanks for including a photo of the box too, did you also get a wee slip of paper with a potted history of the Wostenholm company, and some advice on knife care perhaps?

First to say that, compared to American knives, tang stamps are not usually as useful as they might be in terms of dating Sheffield knives. Sheffield cutlers were conservative and tight-fisted, and tended to use the same tang-stamp design for decades, sometimes for generations. Factors like the changing of a Monarch, the birth of sons, a company becoming Limited, that we look for in terms of dating knives, are not always reflected in the tang stamp, certainly not immediately, and this is not helped by the fact that most firms used a range of outworkers, and subcontracted production, or part of the production, to other firms. Old blades would certainly never be thrown away, irrespective of their tang stamp, even if the firm had changed names, or even gone bust.

The Canoe is not a traditional Sheffield pattern, and rarely seen. Indeed, I can only think of them in relation to later-period Wostenholm production. The later 20th Century was not a good time for the Sheffield cutlers, with even the great firms greatly reduced in size. In 1971, Wostenholm were acquired by their long-term rival Joseph Rodgers, with the new company continuing to produce knives under both names, as well as Rodgers-Wostenholm. In 1975, they were bought by the Richards Group, and in 1977 by Imperial.

In 1978, a Gunboat Canoe was produced for the US National Knife Collectors Association, with the Rodgers-Wostenholm tang stamp, and a standard Canoe was included in the 'Schrade-Wostenholm' range of knives, launched in 1978. There is some controversy about these well-made knives, and some of them were simply assembled in Sheffield from US (Camillus) manufactured parts, or even imported wholesale. I had a brother-in-law who was one of Wostenholm's last apprentice cutlers, and he told me of the secrecy surrounding their 'production' at the Richards factory on Moore Street, Sheffield, where Rodgers-Wostenholm had moved.

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Things get more murkier, because after 1982, when the Richards factory closed, the old names were acquired by a former accountant at Richards, by the name of Vic Rickless, who shamefully licensed the Wostenholm name to Jim Parker, who got knives, including a Gunboat Canoe, made in Japan, marked with the Wostenholm name. Your knife isn't one of these Ed, but I believe it was made during the period that Wostenholm were owned by Imperial. Unfortunately, my internet connection is barely functioning today, which is very frustrating, but I'll try to include some photos.

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Here's another knife produced during the same period, with the classic IXL tang-stamp

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Thank you both for the information given by y'all . I haven't received my latest issue of Knife Magazine yet but am looking forward to it. I did do some research in LVG4 last night.

The blades in this knife are Carbon. Here is a picture of the only insert in the box. I have another one of these coming with box and perhaps it will have more info in it.



The seller gave me a time frame of 1970s to 1980s. From what I've found so far, I pretty much go along with that. The seller bought five of these - as New Old Stock. I don't know if that's the way to say it but they are all new - never used, carried, or sharpened, original factory blade finish and factory edges. With original box/packaging including the blank outer sleeve.

I realize my time frame is not that of this thread title but didn't catch it until I posted. Hope y'all will forgive an old man.

 

[Jack Black]

Thank you both for the information given by y'all . I haven't received my latest issue of Knife Magazine yet but am looking forward to it. I did do some research in LVG4 last night.

The blades in this knife are Carbon. Here is a picture of the only insert in the box. I have another one of these coming with box and perhaps it will have more info in it.

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The seller gave me a time frame of 1970s to 1980s. From what I've found so far, I pretty much go along with that. The seller bought five of these - as New Old in Stock. I don't know if that's the way to say it but they are all new - never used, carried, or sharpened, original factory blade finish and factory edges. With original box/packaging including the blank outer sleeve.

I realize my time frame is not that of this thread title but didn't catch it until I posted. Hope y'all will forgive an old man.

I reckon you can narrow it down to 1978-82 (probably 81) Ed They are very well-made, and an interesting talking point for sure. I carried one of the big locking Clips in stag, regularly, for many years, and my dad had the smaller clip

 

[Modoc ED]

There is a very comprehensive article on the history of the Schrade/Wostenholm collaborative knives in the latest issue of "Knife Magazine" (Dec. 2025).
A canoe model was included in that article and was introduced in 1980.

My issue fell out of our mailbox yesterday afternoon. Good article

 

[waynorth]

I agree Charlie, I think Stan would have been definitely at his peak during this period!

Hope life is treating you two well over there Charlie

We are doing great, Duncan!! I hope you are also!!
I just remembered another of Stan's knives from 1974!!
The beads are from a few thousand years ago, unearthed from a "Coast Salish" midden in Vancouver BC!! Restrung after being sifted from the soil of the midden!! Made from the local shale before the "colonizers arrived!!!!

 

[Jack Black]

We are doing great, Duncan!! I hope you are also!!
I just remembered another of Stan's knives from 1974!!View attachment 3060636View attachment 3060637View attachment 3060638
The beads are from a few thousand years ago, unearthed from a "Coast Salish" midden in Vancouver BC!! Restrung after being sifted from the soil of the midden!! Made from the local shale before the "colonizers arrived!!!!

That's a beauty Charlie Very special beads too!

 

[waynorth]

That's a beauty Charlie Very special beads too!

Thanks and thanks, Jack!!
Glad you like!!

 

[Jack Black]

My neighbour called me on New Year's Eve to tell me that he had a package for me. I wasn't expecting anything, and the package turned out to be from H herder , and a very nice surprise, containing this fabulous Thomas Turner English Jack (in American parlance). I feel that it definitely belongs in this thread



With it's locking 5 1/2" blade, the knife is practically a folding dirk, and while we often joke about the tales a knife could tell, I dare say this one has seen some adventures. A beautifully-made knife from Sheffield's Golden Age, for which I am extremely grateful



Unfortunately, I am hampered today by the low winter sun - as well as a lack of photography skills! But I thought you folks might like a peak at this beauty. I dare say Neal will be able to tell us more

 

[waynorth]

My neighbour called me on New Year's Eve to tell me that he had a package for me. I wasn't expecting anything, and the package turned out to be from H herder , and a very nice surprise, containing this fabulous Thomas Turner English Jack (in American parlance). I feel that it definitely belongs in this thread

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With it's locking 5 1/2" blade, the knife is practically a folding dirk, and while we often joke about the tales a knife could tell, I dare say this one has seen some adventures. A beautifully-made knife from Sheffield's Golden Age, for which I am extremely grateful

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Unfortunately, I am hampered today by the low winter sun - as well as a lack of photography skills! But I thought you folks might like a peak at this beauty. I dare say Neal will be able to tell us more

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Such a beautiful Gift !! Very nice, Neal, and Jack!!
The Suffolk Works must have been an amazing place!!

 

[SteveC]

Congratulations Jack, quite the knife. Well done Herder

 

[Mike Robuck]

Wow! Congrats

 

[echoscout]

My neighbour called me on New Year's Eve to tell me that he had a package for me. I wasn't expecting anything, and the package turned out to be from H herder , and a very nice surprise, containing this fabulous Thomas Turner English Jack (in American parlance). I feel that it definitely belongs in this thread

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With it's locking 5 1/2" blade, the knife is practically a folding dirk, and while we often joke about the tales a knife could tell, I dare say this one has seen some adventures. A beautifully-made knife from Sheffield's Golden Age, for which I am extremely grateful

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Unfortunately, I am hampered today by the low winter sun - as well as a lack of photography skills! But I thought you folks might like a peak at this beauty. I dare say Neal will be able to tell us more

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My goodness! Congratulations Jack

 

[herder]

My neighbour called me on New Year's Eve to tell me that he had a package for me. I wasn't expecting anything, and the package turned out to be from H herder , and a very nice surprise, containing this fabulous Thomas Turner English Jack (in American parlance). I feel that it definitely belongs in this thread

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With it's locking 5 1/2" blade, the knife is practically a folding dirk, and while we often joke about the tales a knife could tell, I dare say this one has seen some adventures. A beautifully-made knife from Sheffield's Golden Age, for which I am extremely grateful

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Unfortunately, I am hampered today by the low winter sun - as well as a lack of photography skills! But I thought you folks might like a peak at this beauty. I dare say Neal will be able to tell us more

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Hi Jack, Glad to see it finally arrived and Christopher passes along his greetings as well.
I'm always amazed at how big some of the old Sheffield folding knives were.
A 4 inch handle is considered good sized on an American-made folding knife and rarely do U.S. folders go over 5 inches.
Those old Sheffield folders could go well past 5 inches with that Turner coming in at 6-1/2 inches as I recall.
But like English (and other) Bowie knives, sizes got smaller over time.
Enclosed is a Thomas Turner catalog illustration from 1925 showing a similar lock back folder with handle size options including 4, 4-1/2, and 5 inch.
Nearly the same model is shown in a 1902 Turner catalog offering sizes at 4, 5, and 6 inches.
If I were to throw out an educated guess on a timeframe for this larger Turner lock back folder, I would think around the 1870s or 1880s based on some other similar styled knives.
Thanks all, for the nice comments towards an old knife for an old friend.

 

[Campbellclanman]

Wow!
Jack what an amazing find within that package from our friend Herder.
An awesome example of a stunning old Knife exchanged between two good friends.

As Charlie mentioned, that Suffolk works must have been an incredible place - to turn back time and tour through that workplace and check out the processes that produced such huge numbers in knives for the times would be fantastic.

Well done Herder and Jack! Heart warming reading!

 

[Jack Black]

Such a beautiful Gift !! Very nice, Neal, and Jack!!
The Suffolk Works must have been an amazing place!!

Congratulations Jack, quite the knife. Well done Herder

Wow! Congrats

My goodness! Congratulations Jack

Wow!
Jack what an amazing find within that package from our friend Herder.
An awesome example of a stunning old Knife exchanged between two good friends.

As Charlie mentioned, that Suffolk works must have been an incredible place - to turn back time and tour through that workplace and check out the processes that produced such huge numbers in knives for the times would be fantastic.

Well done Herder and Jack! Heart warming reading!

Thank you gents, I very much appreciate your kind words Those old Sheffield work weren't always quite as grand as the illustrations of them suggested, but they were certainly fascinating places. My dad worked at a large works, which sprawled across a huge area, being added to at different times for more than a century

Hi Jack, Glad to see it finally arrived and Christopher passes along his greetings as well.
I'm always amazed at how big some of the old Sheffield folding knives were.
A 4 inch handle is considered good sized on an American-made folding knife and rarely do U.S. folders go over 5 inches.
Those old Sheffield folders could go well past 5 inches with that Turner coming in at 6-1/2 inches as I recall.
But like English (and other) Bowie knives, sizes got smaller over time.
Enclosed is a Thomas Turner catalog illustration from 1925 showing a similar lock back folder with handle size options including 4, 4-1/2, and 5 inch.
Nearly the same model is shown in a 1902 Turner catalog offering sizes at 4, 5, and 6 inches.
If I were to throw out an educated guess on a timeframe for this larger Turner lock back folder, I would think around the 1870s or 1880s based on some other similar styled knives.
Thanks all, for the nice comments towards an old knife for an old friend.

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Please give Christopher my best Neal, I hope he is doing well. Thank you once again for the wonderful knife too, of course, and for the additional information. This Joseph Rodgers is not quite as gargantuan, but still very pokey!

 

[herder]

Thank you gents, I very much appreciate your kind words Those old Sheffield work weren't always quite as grand as the illustrations of them suggested, but they were certainly fascinating places. My dad worked at a large works, which sprawled across a huge area, being added to at different times for more than a century



Please give Christopher my best Neal, I hope he is doing well. Thank you once again for the wonderful knife too, of course, and for the additional information. This Joseph Rodgers is not quite as gargantuan, but still very pokey!

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That's a great old Rodgers, and I love that elegant pistol grip type handle.

Here is an Allen & Son sportsman model.

 

[Campbellclanman]

Jack I bet your dad could have told some stories my friend, and boy I bet you he did back-breaking work!

Fantastic addition that Joseph Rodgers, Jack that looks to be Bone rather than Ivory is that correct? What a beauty!

 

[Campbellclanman]

Herder that is an outstanding Knife! Look at that stunning stag!