Magnacut when?

When they eventually do bring out magnacut, i have the feeling it will be offered for a premium along side s45vn. I would expect at least a $75-$100 premium
 
Dudleyd said:
When they eventually do bring out magnacut, i have the feeling it will be offered for a premium along side s45vn. I would expect at least a $75-$100 premium
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MagnaCut will be offered when they run out of S45VN, there will be no premium for it.


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Make a bunch of neck knives out of S45VN. Problem solved. 😜
 
From testing I have seen S45VN might hold an edge slightly longer. People don’t push folders to mechanical failure often, I think something like 3V would work great for a lot of heavy working knife people.
 
la4691 said:
I think that might be too late. Magnacut really seems to be a step up; waiting so long while this year more and more competitors are starting to use it would be bad for the quality perception of CRK. Also, Tim clearly stated that the ability to use one steel in the shop would have a big practical advantage.
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I don’t agree (but that’s ok). CRK hasn’t chased the latest steel trends and it hasn’t hurt them. I do agree it does look like a step up!
 
SubaruSTi said:
From testing I have seen S45VN might hold an edge slightly longer. People don’t push folders to mechanical failure often, I think something like 3V would work great for a lot of heavy working knife people.
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Their fixed blades are all in 3V now but I think I’ve seen Tim say MagnaCut could potentially be used for all their knives
 
I’d take a couple LARGE Mnandi’s in Magnacut. 😁
 
Somehow I'm not buying the story that CRK had to use up their stock of S35VN before they switched over to S45VN. Nobody... nobody.... stocks a warehouse full of raw material that takes years to chew through. Material inventory on the books is bad business. Capital is better employed in other ways. Storage space is too valuable. Etc, etc.

The long, slow rollout to S45VN has gotten, what, boring? Still cannot get a Sebenza 31 Insingo in it, but we can get one with new finish on the scales.

Now there some new hype about magnacut speculated over the horizon?

Meh, Big deal.
 
TRfromMT said:
Somehow I'm not buying the story that CRK had to use up their stock of S35VN before they switched over to S45VN. Nobody... nobody.... stocks a warehouse full of raw material that takes years to chew through. Material inventory on the books is bad business. Capital is better employed in other ways. Storage space is too valuable. Etc, etc.

The long, slow rollout to S45VN has gotten, what, boring? Still cannot get a Sebenza 31 Insingo in it, but we can get one with new finish on the scales.

Now there some new hype about magnacut speculated over the horizon?

Meh, Big deal.
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Perhaps they had an order in for it, whatever reason the material had a delay but they didn’t want to cancel it. Maybe they ordered some by mistake too. Honestly the material costs of the knives is moot. Labor and running the shop, machines and other things are more expensive. Sort of like Rolex, they are made exactly right on a lot of expensive machines.
 
TRfromMT said:
Somehow I'm not buying the story that CRK had to use up their stock of S35VN before they switched over to S45VN. Nobody... nobody.... stocks a warehouse full of raw material that takes years to chew through. Material inventory on the books is bad business. Capital is better employed in other ways. Storage space is too valuable. Etc, etc.

The long, slow rollout to S45VN has gotten, what, boring? Still cannot get a Sebenza 31 Insingo in it, but we can get one with new finish on the scales.

Now there some new hype about magnacut speculated over the horizon?

Meh, Big deal.
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I feel the story is not unreasonable. We have to keep in mind that a lot of the steel used for knives is designed and manufactured for higher volume applications. The steel industry is for a large part a volume industry. The quantities that knife companies buy are low compared to many volume steel buyers. (For instance, imagine a steel sheet of 4 mm thick and try to calculate how many square meters/square feet a company would need to order for the manufacturing of 10,000 blades). On top of that, even a company like Crucible that can deal with relatively small quantities, will be able to offer a better price above certain quantities (or with volume commitments over a bit longer period). So, it is possible that there is a marketing story behind the whole roll-outs, but my feeling is that there are practical reasons.

With regards to the hype about magnacut, if you look objectively you could indeed make a point that part of the attraction is the hype. But in my opinion, everybody with more than 3 knives (and that includes myself ;-) ) will have a hard time convincing me that he/she has purely rational reasons to own such a collection.
 
la4691 said:
I feel the story is not unreasonable. We have to keep in mind that a lot of the steel used for knives is designed and manufactured for higher volume applications. The steel industry is for a large part a volume industry. The quantities that knife companies buy are low compared to many volume steel buyers. (For instance, imagine a steel sheet of 4 mm thick and try to calculate how many square meters/square feet a company would need to order for the manufacturing of 10,000 blades). On top of that, even a company like Crucible that can deal with relatively small quantities, will be able to offer a better price above certain quantities (or with volume commitments over a bit longer period). So, it is possible that there is a marketing story behind the whole roll-outs, but my feeling is that there are practical reasons.

With regards to the hype about magnacut, if you look objectively you could indeed make a point that part of the attraction is the hype. But in my opinion, everybody with more than 3 knives (and that includes myself ;-) ) will have a hard time convincing me that he/she has purely rational reasons to own such a collection.
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There will be 10 companies that get magnacut knives out before CRK does. Same as we saw with S45VN.

So to put out a very, very limited number with some spectacles etched on the scales as some sort of launch is disingenuous.

CRK has never been about the latest super steel of the month, and I don't think they should be. But it shouldn't take them years to roll something out, either. If they are looking to build some hype, they are actually going to be on the downhill run after everyone else has gotten it out there.

My point isn't about why CRK is so slow, it is simply that they are. so. friggin. slow! that I've lost interest in them.
 
TRfromMT said:
There will be 10 companies that get magnacut knives out before CRK does. Same as we saw with S45VN.

So to put out a very, very limited number with some spectacles etched on the scales as some sort of launch is disingenuous.

CRK has never been about the latest super steel of the month, and I don't think they should be. But it shouldn't take them years to roll something out, either. If they are looking to build some hype, they are actually going to be on the downhill run after everyone else has gotten it out there.

My point isn't about why CRK is so slow, it is simply that they are. so. friggin. slow! that I've lost interest in them.
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I guess I don’t understand your apparent frustration over this. Perhaps I just care less about the latest and greatest steel. Yes, CRK changes slowly. Always has. Heck, the sebenza looks largely the same after decades.

I don’t need MagnaCut, but I’m sure I’ll try it when I see a knife in it that I like. I’m not going to be impressed by the first companies to use it or annoyed by the last to get around to it. And there will be another new steel to try, then another.

I didn’t see the spectacled sebenzas as a launch, more of a tribute to Larrin, the innovation he brought and a indication of what’s to come.

Obviously CRK would sell more knives if they produced them faster and moved more quickly to the latest tends. That’s not their model and I think we’d loose what makes CRK special of they did.

Anyhow, I hope you find a MagnaCut knife soon that scratches that itch.
 
CRK makes more knives than people think they do. If I recall that sprint run of glass blast S35VN was over 1000 knives. I see a few small makers with Magnacut knives but they hardly sell any knives compared to larger brands.
 
SubaruSTi said:
CRK makes more knives than people think they do. If I recall that sprint run of glass blast S35VN was over 1000 knives. I see a few small makers with Magnacut knives but they hardly sell any knives compared to larger brands.
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Indeed, they make a ton of them. But with a backlog approaching 2 years and currently producing more knives than ever before (per Tim) they are not making enough to satisfy demand, which certainly seems to have gone up (good for them!)
 
I'm keen to try MagnaCut, but for me it's not about having the new steel. It's about having a Sebenza with the new steel. I'm perfectly content with my S35/S45 CRKs until the new version is released.
 
At this point, I have enough CRK’s that I don’t need another one just because it has magnacut steel. I’d rather get a UG/CCG that I like over a new steel.
 
We've had ATS 34, BG42, SV 30, SV 35, now SV45 , Magna on the horizon.. for 30 years CRK has been making great folders... anybody who deprives themselves of one now, new or used, is in my mind, missing the boat on owning/using,enjoying a GREAT knife! I love my "P" ATS 34, as well as my 31 Boomerang, they all cut everything I've asked them to!
 
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