Man dies os dehydration on survival course

This is a tough one without being there to see the situation. Based on the article it seems he was to the point of offering water. However I understand the staff's reluctance to help and wanting them to push past their limits.

Probably what should come out of this is a well defined set of criteria that is used to determine if a camper is made to stop and drink water. Also is the case-by-case judgment call which is very difficult to put onto paper.

The article doesn't give an indication that the staff were just merciless dickheads which could point to disdain for health and welfare but on the other hand those symptoms are hard to ignore.

Tough call, but my Monday morning Quarterback instincts say to give him water.
 
During college I went on a desert survival trip in that same area, Deer Creek specifically. We went a couple of days without water, not because it was being withheld, but simply because there wasn't any.

Reading the news report, it should have been obvious that this participant was in need of serious medical attention. If that wasn't the time to use the emergency water rations, then when?

Another factor I don't understand, the group had water at Deer Creek in the morning. Why did they not stay along the creek throughout the day? Perhaps the creekbed was dry in other areas? A specific destination that involved traveling cross-country?

And of course it's always interesting how circumstances that might be mildly uncomfortable for some people are fatal to others. Walking five-miles in the desert, even with no food or water, would not normally be a life-threatening situation. I worked in the desert for several years as an archaeologist, and it was not unusual to drink all of my water in the morning (before the bottled water got too hot), and continue to work/walk the rest of the day.

-Bob

Edited to add: There's a big difference between participating in an organized group activity and setting out on your own. In the guy had been on his own, it would have been entirely up to him to make it to the next water location. But when part of a group, there should be some responsibility on the guides to make sure the group functions as a group. Specifically, if someone is falling down repeatedly do to dehydration, how hard would it have been for three some of the better-off hikers to fetch some water?
 
Even the navy SEALS get checked out if they're acting goofy and they're the most highly trained and conditioned around.
 
What a mess up. To bad those guys weren't doing their jobs. How can some be so ignorant?
 
This story is truly tragic. Life sustaining water was 2 feet away in the guides pack but he didn't recognise an emergency when it stared him in the face. I wonder if the guides called the students to view the body and said "what have we learned from HIS mistakes". Emergency water my a**.
 
"The guides did not want him to fail the $3,175 course."

What? :confused:

That's just dumb. There's training, and there's stupid training. He died from stupidity, and not his own. They should sue the hell out of those guides.
 
Scratch what I said earlier. Apparently this is the guy they kill late last summer, and someone is doing follow up on it.
 
Even the navy SEALS get checked out if they're acting goofy and they're the most highly trained and conditioned around.

Seals are human :rolleyes:.

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This situation is pure neglegence plain and simple. I hope they sue their asses off.

When I teach courses the student's welfare comes first and foremost. Students are there to learn not suffer.

Pisses me off and gives other courses bad press by association.

SKam
 
I took a BOSS (Field Course) it is very demanding. They make it very clear how difficult their survival field courses are. Before you sign up you have to get a written "okay" from your doctor and pass a physical running test in a certain period time. I really got alot from this class, and I am hoping to take another one in a few years. I am very sad to see some thing like this happen.

Here are my notes from my class:

http://www.freewebs.com/myakka/boss7dayfieldcourse.htm
 
I will have my groups hike in with no water to emphasize the point that it is a necessity. We aren't spending the day like that though. They hike in to water and get good and sweaty, to the point that all of them would want to take a drink. They then stop at a creek and we learn about filters, chemicals, consumption, dehydration etc. We then fill up and have to wait a half hour to drink.

I find that the experience is sufficient to impress upon them the need to hydrate. They also have to fill, and maintain filled, a five liter water bag for each pair of guys.

I have found that if I let students take nice clean bottled water with them then they will try to conserve it for the three days and they get dehydrated. By not letting them take water in they are forced to drink what they make and they take the whole thing seriously. If you are teaching them about filtered creek water and they have a 1.5 liter bottle then they tend to think, "Well all that's intresting but I'll stick with this 1.5." That works out to 500 ml of water a day and that ain't wise.

I watch them very closely to make sure they are drinking. Mac
 
This was a BOSS course a year ago. Really to bad. When I went through the course a few years ago I lost a shit load of weight, didn't learn a whole lot, and didn't stop eating or drinking for days.
 
Even the navy SEALS get checked out if they're acting goofy and they're the most highly trained and conditioned around.

And you learned this from

(A) BUDS
(B) movie
(C) workout video
(D) book
(E) guy at gunshop
 
Hey Guys...

Yaa Sad story..

Instructors should have been paying attention..

Adrenjunky...

Good to see you here my friend!

ttyle

Eric
O/ST
 
Sorry but to me these guides were complete failures and were negligent at the very least. There are some things you just don't screw around with and dehydration is definitely one of them! I would call the guide's choice not to give water sadistic behavior. They were trusted by the folks and paid for their expertise in part to teach and in a larger part to watch over the students. If they weren't, then the students could have stayed at home and suffered by themselves while reading a good survival book. Instead they paid over $3000 to suffer with what they believed was a safety net of having guides along to monitor a dangerous situation. They were all lied to. It sounds to me as if BOSS is lucky more haven't died.
 
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