Man, Women, Wild any one watch it

I really enjoyed the Tasmania episode. It was packed with skill demonstrations, from solar stills, boiling water with rocks, wild edibles that weren't completely focussed on furry meat. Great episode! Even the 'shake test' to figure out if a scavenged carcass is edible or not was really valuable. This episode pretty much blows all of the duel survivor ones away for me because of the focus on the skill. Ruth in nothing but a bra certainly didn't hurt the entertainment factor either ;)
 
harpoon41 said:
This show, to me, is about the best of its genre. The interaction between them is like any other married couple and it's easy to see yourself in them.
One thing I really like is if you go to Myke's blog he details their knives used and their clothes right down to socks and underwear.
Usually it's a mix of mil-spec and I kid you not Armanni.
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Got a link to his blog?
 
Cpl Punishment said:
Or maybe, just maybe, they figured the target audience would have no clue about properly starting and administering an IV, and Discovery doesn't want to get sued when some dumbass with no medical training tries to IV himself or his buddies in the boonies and dies.

This is a show aimed at John Couchpotato, not EMTs or other SF guys -- they already know what to do.
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Well when they call a medic from the support crew in for emergancy treatment for an emergancy situation you kinda expect that the "show" ends there and they are treating her for a problem, to get the show rolling again and not to teach people first aid for heat stroke. You would have to be a whole new breed of tard to kill anyone by trying to run fluids anyways. Not the most dangerous treatment lol...
 
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Have you read any of the articles that get posted from time to time here about how people get lost and the ways they died? LOL

Yes, I agree, the show is over when they use the safety net. But you have to understand it's TV. TV is business. Business has a LOT of litigation and risk avoidance involved.
 
DWK2 said:
Did I hear incorrectly or did he say that he aims to average 4 mph through swamp terrain?
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Cpl Punishment said:
He might have misspoke, probably meant 4 miles per DAY, which is really moving in a swamp.
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DWK2 said:
I may have mis-heard him.
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Nope, watched it again, he said 4 MPH. Maybe it's just my short legs, but I can't move my legs fast enough to top 3.5 MPH walking. I'd have to jog to make 4 MPH.
 
Cpl Punishment said:
Nope, watched it again, he said 4 MPH. Maybe it's just my short legs, but I can't move my legs fast enough to top 3.5 MPH walking. I'd have to jog to make 4 MPH.
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I'm pretty sure I walk everyday at 3.73MPH (6KPH) - this is a fast walk and it certainly warms me up, I do this for 1 hour and it is on footpaths. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't even try to walk that fast in the swamp, certainly not as an average speed. After walking 6 kilometers in an hour from home back to home I am dripping in sweat and need a shower - no way would I aim for the same speed if I had to do it for several hours and definitely not if I am trying to make my way through a swamp.

Maybe he meant 4 kilometres per hour (2.5MPH) and simply misspoke?
 
j williams said:
No joke ROCK.......Mike said it right when he said you dont survive in the desert, you barely exist!! I enjoyed the show.

Yeah IV fluids are the best, and most standard tx for Heat injury/deyhdration. Makes me think maybe the guy was an EMT, and couldnt start a line. Or maybe they didnt have ALS protos...
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The medic that helped out Ruth was SF medic and paramedic. His name is in the credits as Rick "The Viking" Erickson (i think is his last name). He is listed on the specops website and gives his resume. They might have gave her an IV off camera also. Good episode all around.
 
j williams said:
I have no idea why the medic helpin Ruth out tonight didnt start an IV. Kinda strange. Cool that she toughed it out though. The desert is some hardcore terrain.
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In general, at least from my experience, military medics are less aggressive in starting IVs than civilian paramedics. (I used to be both). Military medics also vary widely in skill level and experience levels. Many haven't seen anything but blisters or sick call time stuff, some have spent tours in hell and know more than some surgeons about trauma. The SF medics have at the least done some time in an ER and handled a goat that took one to the chest.

However, I think you'd agree that once she started vomiting, they undoubtedly gave her IV fluids off-camera. That solution she drank was immediately puked.

Which brings up a point guys, sip that water once you get severely dehydrated. I've seen plenty of people in the desert do exactly as she did, drink too much and vomit. You're worse than you were before the gulps of water.

If you don't have an IV remember the rectal route, but even cooling the person off (water to the skin doesn't have to be potable water... could be urine even) may help get them to the point of being able to sip some orally. You can also hold water in your mouth without drinking it.
 
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Good points. I did find it hard to believe that she was all better the next day from drinking one (looked like half liter) of electrolyte solution. They might have done an IV, or they may have given her a lot more fluids to ingest off camera and spent more time than they made it look like on camera.

Not to be too hard on her, but if you're in survival training, or a scenario with a safety net like that, consider that a fail. It probably would have been bad for ratings, and like Myke said, he's proud of her for sticking it out, but for scenario purposes, they would have been better off medevacing her and having him go through the rest of the exercise as if she hadn't made it (which would have been the case in real life). Heat stroke is no joke.

I do like in this series how he points out several times that there's no reason not to carry at least a lighter with you, and to take at least 5 liters per person per day when going in the desert. His attitude seems to be "primitive is great, but when survival is on the line, don't screw around".

I also agree with his statement that "Survival isn't fun. If survival is fun, you're camping."

Another plug for my philosophy of carrying all the gear I think I'll need -- if something happens I'm in a very boring impromptu camping situation, not a survival situation -- one of the reasons I don't have many great survival stories.
 
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I think you guys are falling into the 'over analyzing' thing on this one. Main point, if this were a real survival situation, Ruth would have likely succumbed. Mike would likely have went also because he wasn't doing so well in the luck department finding water. I think that this bears no reflection on Mike's training. Sometimes nature comes at overwhelming odds. They chose to show reality biting you on the ass which I think is a good thing.
 
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Good points. I did find it hard to believe that she was all better the next day from drinking one (looked like half liter) of electrolyte solution. They might have done an IV, or they may have given her a lot more fluids to ingest off camera and spent more time than they made it look like on camera.
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They probably gave her loads of fluids off-camera. Remember, its 4 days of shooting that they have to cut into a 45 min episode.

Good episode, very realistic. :thumbup:
 
I'd agree this episode was very realistic. With her getting fluids to come in, it shows just how serious that it is, and you can't go out and do what they do just because you think it would be easy. (I know many people who think it would be :rolleyes: )
 
kgd said:
I think you guys are falling into the 'over analyzing' thing on this one. Main point, if this were a real survival situation, Ruth would have likely succumbed.
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You're probably correct, about over-analyzing and the rest too. At least they avoided the usual Discovery Channel method of miraculously finding a river in the desert. Showing someone getting bitten in the arse is unfortunately all too realistic.
 
Gadgetaholic said:
I'm pretty sure I walk everyday at 3.73MPH (6KPH) - this is a fast walk and it certainly warms me up, I do this for 1 hour and it is on footpaths. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't even try to walk that fast in the swamp, certainly not as an average speed. After walking 6 kilometers in an hour from home back to home I am dripping in sweat and need a shower - no way would I aim for the same speed if I had to do it for several hours and definitely not if I am trying to make my way through a swamp.

Maybe he meant 4 kilometres per hour (2.5MPH) and simply misspoke?
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He is a Ex Soldier, we walk and average of 4.0 miles per hour with 45 pound Ruck plus other gear usually total for a 12 mile Ruck march around 75 pounds, so what he can do and what I have done in my Infantry career is different from someone that has not been trained for that.


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RickJ said:
He is a Ex Soldier, we walk and average of 4.0 miles per hour with 45 pound Ruck plus other gear usually total for a 12 mile round march around 75 pounds
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Wow, that would be a pretty good workout - you must burn a lot of calories doing that! That sort of exercise would put you in good shape for a survival situation too I would think.
 
The term “Hay Baby” seems to have been cut back some or maybe I blocked this out in the last few episodes. In any case given the never ending pile-o-trash that is TV it’s not that bad of a show.
 
nemoaz said:
In general, at least from my experience, military medics are less aggressive in starting IVs than civilian paramedics. (I used to be both). Military medics also vary widely in skill level and experience levels. Many haven't seen anything but blisters or sick call time stuff, some have spent tours in hell and know more than some surgeons about trauma. The SF medics have at the least done some time in an ER and handled a goat that took one to the chest.

However, I think you'd agree that once she started vomiting, they undoubtedly gave her IV fluids off-camera. That solution she drank was immediately puked.

Which brings up a point guys, sip that water once you get severely dehydrated. I've seen plenty of people in the desert do exactly as she did, drink too much and vomit. You're worse than you were before the gulps of water.

If you don't have an IV remember the rectal route, but even cooling the person off (water to the skin doesn't have to be potable water... could be urine even) may help get them to the point of being able to sip some orally. You can also hold water in your mouth without drinking it.
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Good point. My former boss taught tactical medicine to the troops here.

There are three ways to introduce fluids in the body: oral, intravenous and the non-invasive is rectal. Coconut juice, because of its isotonic properties is best.
 
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