Ahhh... Thanks for the correction. I just checked the Spyderco catalog, and the S110V version is indeed FRN. The texture and rigidity of the handles feels noticeably different than my Delica/Endura/Salt, so I assumed it was FRCP, like the other Manix2 LW.
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Ahhh... Thanks for the correction. I just checked the Spyderco catalog, and the S110V version is indeed FRN. The texture and rigidity of the handles feels noticeably different than my Delica/Endura/Salt, so I assumed it was FRCP, like the other Manix2 LW.
The handles seem to be pretty stiff to me, and they are very strong as discovered by someone that wanted to remove the blade for a swap.
But if you plan on "torqueing" the blade a little bit, you risk breaking it so that is not recommended.
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By torque-ing I mean just to pop a chip out. You know, giving the handle a little twist just to pop it from the grain. Not like batoning in a log and putting a wrench on the handle and trying to sheer the pivot
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You may notice a slight bit of flexion, but not much at all. IF you do and you just can't bear it, you can get your $100 back from the exchange easily, or buy a g10 body and put it in that.
Take a look at my sig.
Take a look at my sig.
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I have a LW in BD1 which I don't like. I gave it to my grandfather for his yard work. He loves it. It is light, ergonomic and has enough blade length to be effective. The steel holds a working edge and is easily returned to that edge, but the edge retention is lacking dearly. I'm sure this is the real reason I don't like it, but the S110V will surely remedy that.
Yes and by breaking I mean breaking. It has already been reported online with someones S110V version. S110V is not a tough steel. If you are at all concerned with deflections of the handle you are already in dangerous territory with this blade.
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Yeah the owner was honking on the blade very hard sideways with it wedged in a large piece of wood.
Most folders and steels would have broken just as easy doing the same thing with the same geometry and hardness level.
That was more lateral strength, not toughness by the way.
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ive not seen the video so i cant say one way or the other but i will say this, if i pay $100 bucks the knife better be able to flip a chip from a piece of poplar maybe even mahogany. if it breaks the knife ill send it in with a letter stating my use and let them decide what to do
A few pics never hurt no one,
The Manix2 Lightweight CPM S110V combines the ultra-lightweight construction of our award-winning Manix2 Lightweight with a blade ground from premium Crucible® CPM S110V.
This state-of-the-art powdered metallurgy steel contains high amounts of vanadium and niobium—alloys that give it exceptional wear resistance and higher corrosion resistance than many other stainless steels.
The full-flat-ground, leaf-shaped blade offers a superior combination of strength, low-friction cutting performance, and point utility.
It also features a forefinger choil and strategically placed jimping (texturing) that enhance control during use and Spyderco’s Trademark Round Hole™ for swift, ambidextrous one-handed opening.
The handle of this knife is injection molded from tough fiberglass-reinforced nylon (FRN) and features Spyderco’s distinctive Bi-Directional Texturing™ pattern to ensure a secure grip in all environmental conditions.
A reversible wire clip provides convenient left or right-side tip-up carry and an oversized lanyard hole allows the easy attachment of fobs and lanyards.
Linking the blade and handle is Spyderco’s patented Ball Bearing Lock mechanism.
This high-strength lock consists of a ball bearing nested within a durable textured polymer “cage.”
When the blade is opened, a spring-loaded steel plunger drives the ball bearing forward to wedge between a ramp on the blade and an “anvil” in the handle’s steel insert.
Drawing the caged ball bearing to the rear releases the lock and allows the blade to close smoothly while keeping your fingers safely away from the sharp edge.
Smooth, strong, and easily operated, the Ball Bearing Lock is also completely ambidextrous.
The Manix2 CPM S110V Lightweight is an exceptionally advanced folding knife that combines light weight, durability, strength, and high-performance cutting capability into a single dynamic package.
The Manix2 Lightweight CPM S110V combines the ultra-lightweight construction of our award-winning Manix2 Lightweight with a blade ground from premium Crucible® CPM S110V.
This state-of-the-art powdered metallurgy steel contains high amounts of vanadium and niobium—alloys that give it exceptional wear resistance and higher corrosion resistance than many other stainless steels.
The full-flat-ground, leaf-shaped blade offers a superior combination of strength, low-friction cutting performance, and point utility.
It also features a forefinger choil and strategically placed jimping (texturing) that enhance control during use and Spyderco’s Trademark Round Hole™ for swift, ambidextrous one-handed opening.
The handle of this knife is injection molded from tough fiberglass-reinforced nylon (FRN) and features Spyderco’s distinctive Bi-Directional Texturing™ pattern to ensure a secure grip in all environmental conditions.
A reversible wire clip provides convenient left or right-side tip-up carry and an oversized lanyard hole allows the easy attachment of fobs and lanyards.
Linking the blade and handle is Spyderco’s patented Ball Bearing Lock mechanism.
This high-strength lock consists of a ball bearing nested within a durable textured polymer “cage.”
When the blade is opened, a spring-loaded steel plunger drives the ball bearing forward to wedge between a ramp on the blade and an “anvil” in the handle’s steel insert.
Drawing the caged ball bearing to the rear releases the lock and allows the blade to close smoothly while keeping your fingers safely away from the sharp edge.
Smooth, strong, and easily operated, the Ball Bearing Lock is also completely ambidextrous.
The Manix2 CPM S110V Lightweight is an exceptionally advanced folding knife that combines light weight, durability, strength, and high-performance cutting capability into a single dynamic package.
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I tried to quote stays sharp....hmmm
I so hope i get mine for x mus . Been waiting for over 6 months for one and my girl is playing tricks with my head . We will see in 2 more days ! Got my DMT's ready and waiting !
Now that i think about it , I may be crazy . I bought new DMT's for a knife and i dont even have it yet . They make fast work out of s30v so that helps my head .
Now that i think about it , I may be crazy . I bought new DMT's for a knife and i dont even have it yet . They make fast work out of s30v so that helps my head .
OK, if you wish...
Yeah the owner was honking on the blade very hard sideways with it wedged in a large piece of wood.
Most folders and steels would have broken just as easy doing the same thing with the same geometry and hardness level.
That was more lateral strength, not toughness by the way.
I think it depends on the geometry of the blade in comparison with which direction the stresses are applied. The harder steel is stronger, but when it reaches its limit there is less ductility, it goes more directly to fracture. The steel with some toughness will have the ability to yield before it fractures. So if you bend a blade sideways and it has a geometry that creates stress concentrations, such as the holes that Spyderco puts beside the pivot hole, it can initiate a fracture there and fail the blade. A steel with more toughness would be less prone to initiate a fracture at the stress concentration and could actually sustain more lateral load before failing than the harder steel that theoretically is stronger. This is all theory, I would like to see tests as to how it works out in reality. I had suggested this to Spyderco when the pictures of the broken S110V blade were first posted, I don't know if they followed up on it or not. Even among structural engineers the effects of stress concentrations are not widely studied.
I recall the blade that was broken by sticking it into a piece of wood but I thought I recalled another person that broke a blade by twisting it sideways (torqueing it as the OP said).
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OK, if you wish...
I think it depends on the geometry of the blade in comparison with which direction the stresses are applied. The harder steel is stronger, but when it reaches its limit there is less ductility, it goes more directly to fracture. The steel with some toughness will have the ability to yield before it fractures. So if you bend a blade sideways and it has a geometry that creates stress concentrations, such as the holes that Spyderco puts beside the pivot hole, it can initiate a fracture there and fail the blade. A steel with more toughness would be less prone to initiate a fracture at the stress concentration and could actually sustain more lateral load before failing than the harder steel that theoretically is stronger. This is all theory, I would like to see tests as to how it works out in reality. I had suggested this to Spyderco when the pictures of the broken S110V blade were first posted, I don't know if they followed up on it or not. Even among structural engineers the effects of stress concentrations are not widely studied.
I recall the blade that was broken by sticking it into a piece of wood but I thought I recalled another person that broke a blade by twisting it sideways (torqueing it as the OP said).
It was sideways pressure.
That's lateral strength.
A steel or the same steel at a lower hardness level would take more of a bend before it snapped, but the difference would be small unless it was HT so it would have lot of flex, that would be a lot lower hardness than 62 and a simple spring steel.
But steel at the same geometry and hardness would have broken the same for the most part with small differences in pressure, would have to be measured really and that would get expensive very quickly.
Give or take 1/2 dozen to the other.
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Yes and many feel the same way. The Chinese maker (Sanrenmu maybe?) Does not have the desire and/or capability to HT foreign-to-them steels to Sal's/Spyderco's standards and liking. Down the road it has to happen though
It was sideways pressure.
That's lateral strength.
A steel or the same steel at a lower hardness level would take more of a bend before it snapped, but the difference would be small unless it was HT so it would have lot of flex, that would be a lot lower hardness than 62 and a simple spring steel.
But steel at the same geometry and hardness would have broken the same for the most part with small differences in pressure, would have to be measured really and that would get expensive very quickly.
Give or take 1/2 dozen to the other.
Yes it's lateral bending, lateral bending causes tension stress in the extreme fibers, tension stress leads to yielding and/or fracture. I'm a structural engineer so I can tell you all about bending stresses. I studied fatigue and fracture in graduate school so I can tell you a little about that too.
If you have smooth bars of steel the bars with the higher heat treat will be the strongest in bending. My contention is that if you have a geometry with stress concentrations the harder steels can fail at lower bending stress than the steels with more toughness. I have read where knife people complain about certain knives that have stress concentrations where there is a sharp corner at the junction of hidden tang and blade. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. In the case of teh Manix 2 this would be the small identification holes that Spyderco puts in the blade around the pivot hole.
How does this work- take a smooth glass rod and see how much force you have to put into bending it before it breaks. Now put a scratch in it and see how easy it is to break. Now take a steel rod and see how much force it takes to bend it. Now put a scratch in it and see if this changes the behavior. In this case the glass would represent a relatively brittle steel at high hardness. It is very much influenced by the stress concentration (scratch). The more ductile material, the mild steel rod, is not affected. Put all of this together and you would expect the S110V blade at high hardness to break easier under lateral force than a blade of Cruwear or M4 or even 440C.
Lateral bending vs. torque- lateral bending will produce tension in the extreme fibers of the blade, the tension stresses primarily acting along the longitudinal axis of the blade. Torque will produce shear stresses around the perimeter of the blade. An analysis using Mohr's circle will show that shear stresses cause tension and compression. This is how torque will break something just like bending will.
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