Manix and Strider SNG Why?

[rover]

I'm gonna remove my comment.

 

[Cliff Stamp]

Do you consistantly push on the spine of your blade?

It can happen if the blade wedges, Joe has described failures cutting cardboard, and even doing minor tasks like weeding in the garden, not always pressure on the spine, but just wedging on the blade which produdes the same force.

If the complaints were about about small stockman style knives then there would be an arguement to say hey maybe you should not be so demanding of the knife, but the complaints mainly center on knives promoted for tactical and heavy duty use.

When you get a blade which takes a massive amount of force to break, and big heavy and thick handles, and a lock which can be released by tapping the spine it kind of points to a lack of consistency in design.

You asked if their customs were any better than the mass produced Buck?

Dude, it was totally like in regards to the lock security, dude.

-Cliff

 

[rover]

Man, I realize that it was in regards to lock security.

Isn't that cool? Masters in English and I'm not so uptight that I can't call somebody dude.

 

[BH]

Joe has described failures cutting cardboard, and even doing minor tasks like weeding in the garden, not always pressure on the spine, but just wedging on the blade which produdes the same force
-Cliff

So, you're generalizing lock failure from one persons experience? And how much cardboard does one encounter on a normal day? Yeah, I'm sure that there are people that do use their knife to cut cardboard, but the overall population of knife users? You are talking about a very small sample of users, and an even smaller one who have had an unintentional lock failure. Are you sure you're not preaching an agenda, rather than something unbiased? You state that "it could fail under tactical use". There are a lot of assumptions, in your statements, just because you can get a knife to fail by abusing it on purpose, doesn't mean that you will experience it in everyday use. I mean, that's like saying if you're driving your car and all of a sudden the wheel falls off, it could happen, but how often does it unless you are trying to put undue stress on your wheels by weaving unneccessarily

 

[Thomas Linton]

So, you're generalizing lock failure from one persons experience? And how much cardboard does one encounter on a normal day? Yeah, I'm sure that there are people that do use their knife to cut cardboard, but the overall population of knife users? You are talking about a very small sample of users, and an even smaller one who have had an unintentional lock failure. Are you sure you're not preaching an agenda, rather than something unbiased? You state that "it could fail under tactical use". There are a lot of assumptions, in your statements, just because you can get a knife to fail by abusing it on purpose, doesn't mean that you will experience it in everyday use. I mean, that's like saying if you're driving your car and all of a sudden the wheel falls off, it could happen, but how often does it unless you are trying to put undue stress on your wheels by weaving unneccessarily

What described conduct constitutes "abusing it on purpose"? Cutting cardboard? Cutting off weeds?

In "tactical use," large, excited Americans have snapped Ka-Bars in half. Twisting forces are hardly unknown in "tactical use."

If the information is not important to you, disregard it.

 

[Cliff Stamp]

So, you're generalizing lock failure from one persons experience?

No, Joe wrote the knife faq's, including one on lock testing and thus got a fair number of reports from users along those lines, that was what the above referred to. I have seen them myself, more so in evaluations as I won't carry them for heavier use because they can disenage readily.

And how much cardboard does one encounter on a normal day?

Well it only needs to happen once for the user to consider it significant, and do you really want to argue that cutting thick cardboard should be off limits for a heavy tactical.

...how often does it unless you are trying to put undue stress on your wheels by weaving unneccessarily

The kinds of loads which can disengage liners and integrals are hardly undue stress for heavy tactical knives.

-Cliff

 

[BH]

I could see that if this is happening on a day to day basis, or even much less then it would be considered a problem, but with that being said, most of the higher end companys that produce the locks you are saying are so bad, sell all they can make. If liner/frame lock failure is such a rampant problem, why are they still so popular?

Thomas,
I'm sure lots of knives break in hard use. I thought we were talking about lock failure? I'm also sure there are a lot of factors involved, temperature, was it being used for it's intended purpose and so on. I'm just saying that the overall average knife user is not going to push these folders to their limits, and I still think it's comical to read some of the things here. This stuff really is good entertainment.

 

[Cliff Stamp]

... why are they still so popular?

Because they sell. Sal Glesser noted for example in regards to sabre hollow grinds vs flat grinds a lot of people visually will pick the former, but from a performance point of view it is the complete opposite.

Now if you want to make the arguement that for the vast majority of users, a well made liner lock is not likely to have disengagement problems, I don't think many would oppose you, but this isn't the arguement.

What is being discussed if that if a user does want a knife to handle this type of work, are there intrinsic disadvantges to particular lock types and yes there are. If you actually were to use a heavy utility / tactical as it is promoted are there concerns.

-Cliff