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On a model that is over a few months old I expect to pay Market price...if there is such a thing with Busse's... or what ever I am willing to pay.

But if it just came out in the last week or two I wouldn't pay much over cost.

I scored two nice knive's this week that I've been hunting for a while. So I am about to put a .220 satin GW on the exchange. I will ask only my cost plus the $10 to ship it prioity ins. I have done that several times in the past and it would just bother me to mark a knife up that just came out. Think most here feel about the same.
 
I think what most people, including me, are tired of seeing is scalper mentality. There are quite a few people who sit on BCS and buy up all the available INFI with the explicit intention of re-selling for profit. That is the direct cause of the flip inflation (fear of loss) and it is this very real supply drop that creates the immediate demand. Piss poor actions by people creating a middleman for profit.
 
I just bought a GW with a way jacked-up price... Am I stupid? Yes probably. Did I really want a blue Game warden? Yes. I work 11 to 12 ours a day, I have a 9 year old daughter, a 3 year old son, and a beautiful wife. I don't have time to f5 at the store.. No offence. Sometimes I would rather pay a little more to get exactly what I want when I want it. Hassle free. I understand about people being mad about making such great profits, but look at the time and effort some of you guys got into this?? Probably not very good dollar per hour ratio.. But if you enjoy it than do it. I'm not trying to knock anybody, just giving a different side of the story. I'm going to love my new GW, maybe more than some of my customs that I paid 3,4,5 hundered for. Was the knife worth what I paid. To me Yes. I also posted in the wanted to buy section, no responce except one, and it was a diffent color. But thank you very much!!
 
kdizzog6 said:
I just bought a GW with a way jacked-up price... Am I stupid? Yes probably. Did I really want a blue Game warden? Yes. I work 11 to 12 ours a day, I have a 9 year old daughter, a 3 year old son, and a beautiful wife. I don't have time to f5 at the store.. No offence. Sometimes I would rather pay a little more to get exactly what I want when I want it. Hassle free. I understand about people being mad about making such great profits, but look at the time and effort some of you guys got into this?? Probably not very good dollar per hour ratio.. But if you enjoy it than do it. I'm not trying to knock anybody, just giving a different side of the story. I'm going to love my new GW, maybe more than some of my customs that I paid 3,4,5 hundered for. Was the knife worth what I paid. To me Yes. I also posted in the wanted to buy section, no responce except one, and it was a diffent color. But thank you very much!!
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why are you screaming at us??? ;);):D



i dont buy if the price is outside my range.

ive made very little profit on the knives i have sold, overall.

i normally sell stuff for what i have in it, plus shipping. i have my reasons for doing this.

i have bought stuff for more than they originally cost, we all have.

if someone is behaving like a dealer, and it can be proven, they should be reported to mods. it is against bf rules unless they have a dealer membership.

what happens on ebay has no bearing on what happens here, per se. if we think someone is acting like dealer over there, we can tell jerry or skunk, but it is up to them to pursue a course of action.
 
It is obvious to me from the previous posts of late in the Busse forum threads (by numerous parties) what this is about and it most certainly has the remaining stink of "personal" lingering in the air. Even the lead in is a clue to the lingering issue this stems from. Some may just be afraid to cross the big dogs and therefore remain silent. I am not afraid so here I go.
If you don't like the flipping, don't do business with the people that you feel are flipping. I have paid more than store cost for a few knives. They were pretty inflated prices at the time but..........you could not get your hands on them elsewhere as is usually the case when they bring a higher price. I am not crying because I paid more than the store price and I am no longer complaining about the selling practices that go on in the exchange. We are all adults here and can do with our money as we choose. I have sold several at cost and several at a profit. I make no apologies for it nor am I going to slam someone else for it at this point. I learned it right here after complaining about it myself early in my Bladeforum membership. I was new then so I will use that as somewhat of an excuse for whining but I ceased to complain about it fairly earl on. Some of the complainers now are certainly not new and should know better.
I usually try to remain out of these senseless arguments over the internet but the hypocrisy of some members here drives me crazy and subsequently drove me to post this to VENT a little myself. I am weary of hearing the whining and even more weary of the personal knocks. LET IT GO BOYS. You dont run the forum (hog titles or no hog titles, gold, platinum, high posts, low posts, etc: does not matter, ) and no rules that I am aware of are being violated. If rules were being violated, this is not the way to go about correcting it. The mods and or Spark should address that. If you want to "and can" snag more than your share to sell to the good folks of this forum at cost or at a loss, be my guest. That would certainly do more to prove your character than complaining, making personal attacks, and stirring the pot! It would also stop the flipping as there would be no market for elevated prices on the exchange.
To address the newbies that want a Busse at the original selling price: Stay tuned to these forums. Read the posts. Pay attention when someone gives hints or in many cases outright tells you when they will be available. Pay attention when someone posts what is at the store "now". Learn to F5 and exercise patience. Many a knife has been scored after the initial load appeared to be gone. You will score more INFI than you probably can really afford. I know I can. Most of the people that score regularly spend a lot of time here.

This is a friendly forum. It can and should remain that way. Take it to PM's or email or better yet.............LET IT GO and post some pictures of an outdoor adventure with knives.
 
kdizzog6 said:
I just bought a GW with a way jacked-up price... Am I stupid? Yes probably. Did I really want a blue Game warden? Yes. I work 11 to 12 ours a day, I have a 9 year old daughter, a 3 year old son, and a beautiful wife. I don't have time to f5 at the store.. No offence. Sometimes I would rather pay a little more to get exactly what I want when I want it. Hassle free. I understand about people being mad about making such great profits, but look at the time and effort some of you guys got into this?? Probably not very good dollar per hour ratio.. But if you enjoy it than do it. I'm not trying to knock anybody, just giving a different side of the story. I'm going to love my new GW, maybe more than some of my customs that I paid 3,4,5 hundered for. Was the knife worth what I paid. To me Yes. I also posted in the wanted to buy section, no responce except one, and it was a diffent color. But thank you very much!!
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Well said:thumbup::thumbup:
 
I'm a (fairly) new poster here, so go easy.. Ok? This seems to be the perfect thread to ask two questions (ok, four questions, if you're counting) that have been bugging me for the past month or so.

1) Why do so many of you guys buy knives from the store only to turn right around and sell them for cost? It seems that if you don't want to keep it, why buy it?

2) Is it only my perception, or is it fact, that the DC and Satins are more desireable knives? If it's fact, why aren't more made?

FWIW, I agree with kdizzog6 above.... I just bought a Smog Warden for $275 because it's harder to find the satin blade, and it was a color combo that I really liked. Plus, I had the opportunity to get Tom Krein to make the kydex sheath for it so I jumped. It was worth it to get the knife now and not spend hours, days, or months hunting for it... so I'm willing to pay someone else for their time.

Steve
 
I have sold a few the day after I received them. It depends on how they feel. You cannot feel or "play" with them anywhere so you have to go sight unseen on the new issues. That is one reason. I am sure there are more coming.
 
I'm feeling a deja vu from a thread seven days ago rehashing the very thing the content toward which this thread has turned. I liked Cobalt's response best.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=502796

Cobalt said:
Well, I only got 1 SH1 SE and stillhave it. It is not going anywhere. But as some may know, I have a weakness and I would trade anyting for it if it rears it's head. In any case, I got rid of the BATAC SE's because I do not care for the design, I have not bought any other BATACS for the same reason. I had a chance the other night to buy LE's but refrained as they would only be for trading or reselling and I am not into that typically.

The only SE's I have remaining are the FBM SE's and I really like those, so they are not going anywhere.

Jaxx, if you will remember, I was one of the few who defended you during that whole 27 thing. I believe that everyone has the right to do whatever they want with their knives. If I feel they are being abussive, then it is my perogative to not deal with them. There are some people on this forum who I will not deal with at all, because of personal reasons, but that is between me and them and there is no need to air it out. you all have that right.

When I see knives being purchased at Blade and being immediately flipped while blade is still going on, that is a money making scheme plain and simple. You cannot couch it in any other way. Do I care? no, unless I did not get one because that schmuck took several only to flip them the next day, then it pisses me off. But it is still a free trade system. I will remember that guy and when the time comes to help a bro out, he may not be on the christmass list.

What comes around goes around and that is what we do here. Tony helped me out with a Game Warden even holding it for an extended period of time. I would have done the same for him. I got an extra AD SE at blade and Tony got none. When he told me that several weeks later I sent him one for my cost. I know he would have done the same for me and has. When I scored the custom SH1 at blade I did so for Ducci. But he changed his mind so I kept it. He's made such offers to me if they came up.

Anyway, I am rambling.

Chuck, good luck with your 1 of 3.:D

Tony, is definitely a hog in his way of thinking. He is not in it for money making scheme, he's in it for the knives.
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My own words, not just to quote another's no matter how eloquent they were... (think that's the first, and last, time Cobalt's been call eloquent?! ;))

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4248265&highlight=howling#post4248265

Micky said:
Mulder,
It wasn't diricted at you or anyone in particular. I checked my email the next day and had over 30 responces. The majority of them saying I had no right to buy something if I didn't intend to use it and was just trying to make a profit on it. This is the second or 3rd thread that has brought it up again. If someone feels that strongly about it then by all means they should post about it. All I ask is that they read the posts already covering the subject. Believe me if I have a comment diricted at an individual I have no problem naming them. If someone has a comment diricted at or about me then all I ask is they do the same.
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Paddling_man said:
You must be joking! :mad: That's taking things way, way too far! :thumbdn: To people who would do that? Get a life outside of the 'net and your knife safe.

The whole moral standards of resale are pretty loosey-goosey.

I have sold limited knives, immediately after receipt upon deciding I didn't like it, for exactly what I paid for it. (Howling Fat) I have bought limited knives from someone who knew I was looking for exactly their purchase price. (Desert Jack - Jody/Voracious) Ditto, others have ("sold to me at cost" edit:10.10.07.. ..with additional offers from others to do so (Guyon, TonyG, Jaxx, LilFoo, westllen) while I have "sold at cost" edit:10.10.07 for others too (Terry Newton a couple of times and offers made to others.)

At the same time, I have sold knives I've owned for a bit in order to buy new knives. A couple of times on ebay (one was to Gravelface, which was his first Wauseon purchase... I created a monster) for somewhat more than my original purchase. A couple of times on the forum as an outright sale but I usually look for a trade first.

There was at least one instance that I was shocked to see how much a rather limited knife I owned sold for... an example of that blade hadn't sold on the secondary market for some time. I immediately put mine up for sale! :D I did end up with a completed deal but it was cash and trade, not the original asking price. The buyer was happy and the details were no one else's business. I heard a lot of bi**hing and whining in the swamp about that one. Part of those complaints came from people whom I see actively selling on the forum for a healthy profit. :rolleyes:

I think the place where people get in trouble around here, happens when the perception is you are "flipping" a blade.

1 - No one takes offense if you buy a blade then, upon receipt, decide it is not for you. Sell it. Certainly recoup your funds with some extra for your shipping but, beyond that, it doesn't tend to win friends and fans at the trough/swamp/pound.

2 - You've had the blade for a while. Say 2 - 3 months. You want to buy another piece of INFI. Put it up for sale. How high you price it may positively or negatively effect your reputation. Your reputation will play some part in how others treat you and deal with you when YOU want something.

3 - After six months or so of a blade being unavailable, you may start to see a "market price" established for a blade. A range that a particular knife sells for on the forum. I typically find the last three or four sales... mark mine a little below the higher range and post away. This is viewed as fair by me and I've heard no complaints from others. Again, I'm usually looking for a trade.

In general, a HOG doesn't want to rip anyone off nor do they want to be ripped off. The Game Warden sales have gone EXTREMELY well. (I don't know that I would make that statement today, but I won't buy from those I perceive as flipping for a quick profit... heck, I probably wouldn't sell to 'em either. My perogative.10.10.07) A variety to choose from, a lot of trading going on, and market prices established quickly. The quick turn-around on them seems to be seen as generally acceptable since they are most often traded for a missing link in the collection.

What will raise the ire of people and tend to get you blacklisted?? Obviously purchasing a blade that you didn't want in order to make a buck off someone who does. Most of us like to believe we are in this for the admiration and love of the blade; not to profit from another in the hog lot.

Moral?

Help others out. Be nice to others. Not just because they may help you later but because it is the right thing to do.

Don't take all the cookies on a tray; leave some for others. To do otherwise is selfish and no one plays with you then.

Don't whine. It's unbecoming and other kids will think you're a wuss. (You probably are. :o )

Lastly, don't pick out a toy you don't want **just** because you know lil Johnny wants it. That's just mean. No one will play with you later because you are a brat.

What is the little diatribe worth? Far less than I would have made, spending the same time to compose, at my regular job. Take it for what you will.

I like you guys. I will help, given the chance.

Right now, I need another 2 Below.


Cheers!

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sgrove said:
I'm a (fairly) new poster here, so go easy.. Ok? This seems to be the perfect thread to ask two questions (ok, four questions, if you're counting) that have been bugging me for the past month or so.

1) Why do so many of you guys buy knives from the store only to turn right around and sell them for cost? It seems that if you don't want to keep it, why buy it?

2) Is it only my perception, or is it fact, that the DC and Satins are more desireable knives? If it's fact, why aren't more made?

FWIW, I agree with kdizzog6 above.... I just bought a Smog Warden for $275 because it's harder to find the satin blade, and it was a color combo that I really liked. Plus, I had the opportunity to get Tom Krein to make the kydex sheath for it so I jumped. It was worth it to get the knife now and not spend hours, days, or months hunting for it... so I'm willing to pay someone else for their time.

Steve
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1) alot here will buy differant color combo's and keep the one they like best...and I'm no dealer so I wouldn't mark it up if resold within the week.

Also when you get the INFI madness you may buy a few before the one you ordered even shows up. Happened to me this week so I just sold one at cost that arrived yesterday.

2) The satin and DC is more desirable to most. Some want to keep the cost down and go with coated. Busse can make many more of the coated at a much better price, which many want.

You got the SMOG at a fair price...I paid the same for mine a few months ago.
If I keep a knife a while I would expect to get more than I paid if I got it at cost. Only when I have a recent knife do I put them up at cost. Make's some people feel better to help other's. You will find it's a pretty tight group here. Many help others if they can.
 
Tony G said:
I had hoped not to go there. Really just trying to understand the deal... mostly from the buyers side.

I do understand the F5 thing.
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I didn't think you were. ;) It just went that way once the momentum of other questions began. There's no way to make threads like this a sticky but it sure is tempting! It just tends to flash on a routine basis.
 
I want to stick in my two cents worth on the issue of “flipping” these Busse knives. I am talking specifically about what’s going on with the Game Wardens on ebay and right here on the exchange.
I realize that the notion of purity and honor is just that, a notion. This is America, and the freedom to make money within the confines of the laws and regulations is what makes it such a great place. But just because it is legal doesn’t make it right, or ethical. When I first happened on Busse knives and found this forum, I thought I had found something that was rather pure and honest, made up of those who love these knives and were happy to see new people get involved and would help them any way they could, and for the most part I think this is true, but then I saw that people would buy these Busse knives and the same day offer them for sale at huge profits, and I realized there were the kind of people involved in this that I really wish would stick to selling cars or copiers.
I would like to see the blue and black wardens at the company store for $197 available to newcomers instead of in the hands of a greedy soul that will inevitably cause Jerry to raise his prices. He will have to, or his knives will become nothing more than a commodity that are only available at ridiculous prices from some cornhead who would sell his own mother for a profit.
There are so many ways to make money without taking Busse knives away from those would enjoy them, but may never get the chance to own one because some loser decided that he can’t make enough money at his chosen career, and has to infect a wonderful hobby with his disease.
Wouldn’t it be nice if people bought Busse knives because they love them and not because they are greedy?
 
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