Marksman 830

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A few screen shots for your amusement.

Buck is just now beginning to build the production run. See Bill Keyes demonstrate the Marksman in a video at post #20 below on this page.

 
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Oregon, now you are just taunting us......hahahahaha!

And yes, release date would be the sweetest news of all :)
 
DesertChris said:
Oregon, now you are just taunting us......hahahahaha!

And yes, release date would be the sweetest news of all :)
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Encouraging you my friend.

In the second screen shot Bill seems to have had his right pinky removed, probably by Craig's ultra dangerous slicer, or I can't count to five. :) (I hope 300 can find the humor here, somebody tell me that he is smiling at least, anybody)
 
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I'd like to see a picture of it closed to see how much of the flipper tab sticks out.

So far, it looks slightly larger than the flipper tab on the Vantage series though.
 
That locking system seems like it would be uncomfortable to hold for long use. Gonna have to see one in person before I buy.
 
Bear Claw Chris Lappe said:
That locking system seems like it would be uncomfortable to hold for long use. Gonna have to see one in person before I buy.
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I think that the lock's lift bar (picklock is what I call it since you pick up the bar to unlock the blade from the open position) would be an aid in flipping the blade actuator. Only in the second screen shot do I think that your index finger would contact the ragged edge of the front portion of the protruding lift bar using the forward grip. In the reverse grip I don't see significant contact with the lift bar's uneven and protruding edge.

With the wide lift bar you have some serious surface area, unlike many folding knives, upon which to position the thumb in the forward grip.

The uneven front edges (jimped) of the lift bar would give you tactile feel for closing the knife when you are not looking at it or in the dark.

Good to be cautious with a new design. Thank you.
 
oregon said:
How is the blade kept closed?
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That is a great question, one I hadn't even considered!

In that closed photo, the flipper looks notched. Perhaps the flipper notch and the picklock have a very small amount of tension to keep her closed???
 
That Buck Blood knife has remained closed since it nipped that pointing finger. I told him it was sharp. He can laugh at me now, a s30v nipped my thumb when I let my hand slide up to blades back corner while cutting tape off my wife's new rolled up rug............. Words were, 'don't get blood on my new rug.....' 300

PS Don't force me to post on these 'tech' knife threads.........I get even soon.
 
Just saw this video on the Marksman.

I believe the lock mech design ("strap lock" they call it?) are the Gavin's take on a old, traditional European design.

For those wanting to see how the lock works and looks in detail, go on over to traditional and search for "Lineraar". If I recall correctly, the poster of the thread said it was a folder popular in the border region between Belgium and Germany.
 
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Untamed I can find no hits using your key word "Lineraar" in Bladeforums or in Google. Shucks.

Here are links to photos of my Italian-made pick lock fish. The button operates the release to open and to close you must insert your fingernails underneath the lock near the pivot and pull it away from the knife so the blade can swing free and be pushed closed. The French were making automatics (Châtellerault) with pick locks in the 19th century. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchblade

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I eagerly look foreword to seeing this modern incarnation of a very old design. When I first saw mention of this knife I couldn't help but think of the Lierenaar from the 18th century in the German/Belgium area.


Galeocerdoshark said:
Then, a couple of years passed. I still didn't really know what kind of knife it was, apart from the fact that it was used by my greatgrandfather, who used it for eating and other everyday tasks until he passed away a couple of decades ago.



What do we know about this knife? Apparently, it's called a "Lierenaar", referring to the city of Lier in Belgium. It seems that knives with this pattern were made in a region that stretches approximately 30 km, from Lier in the North, to Heist-op-den-Berg in the middle, to Aarschot in the South


On to the pics now, shall we?

So, here are some pics of the old Lierenaar from my greatgrandfather:


LierenaarOldClosed2.jpg

LierenaarOldOpened.jpg

LierenaarOldLockface.jpg


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Thread here:http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...sited-comparison-pics?p=12010927#post12010927

See also:http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...belgian-german-border?p=11771720#post11771720

I have the Robert Herder knife from Andi's thread ( Humppa), as Humppa graciously sent it to me as a gift to see how I would modify it. Though rustic in construction, the Lieranaar with the back strap lock is very capable and secure when open.

Another excellent post on the subject of the origin of these knives:

jon_slider said:
good insight. You triggered a search for the location and chronology of these knives:

Spanish navaja originates around 1700. Early navajas had no back spring and no lock, similar to the Pattada and the Opinel.
A) Lier home of the Lierenaar, 1700's
B) Laguiole home of the Laguiole, 1829
C) Pattada home of the Pattadesa 1850's
D) Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne, home of the Opinel 1890
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At the time the Navaja came into existence, Spain was ruled by the Senior Hapsburg family and their territories included parts of Belgium, Sardinia, Corsica, Italy, Sicily, Montpelier and Provence in southern France.
Montpelier is on the way from Laguiole to Pattada, through the port of Marseilles.
Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne is reached from Corsica by going through Monaco, or from Pattada by going through Marseilles. I believe these were all Spanish territories at one time. See the following map, showing the Hapsburg territories in the year 1700

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here is a navaja with a pull ring to lift the external lock spring, before the pivoting lock release lever was developed, note also the leaf shaped blade
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pivot lever navaja, external lock spring.
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modern Spanish made navaja variant with slip joint back spring and no lock, Aitor Castor. Note leaf shaped blade, exposed pivot pin, and drop handle, as well as the back spring set between slab handles
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Belgian Lierenaar originates in Lier in the 1700's
note the drop in the handle, reminiscent of the navaja and pattadesa. Note also the surface mounted lock spring in following image, top, and the older variation, with the lock spring set between the scales.
LierenaarTogetherLockface.jpg


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The marksman looks like a nice knife. I can see a bunch of yahoos on YouTube going out of their way to break it, just to say what a bad company Buck is.
 
Woohoo! 2-3 months isn't much of a wait. Can't wait until some people get these in hand and get some reviews up.
 
sitflyer said:
I eagerly look foreword to seeing this modern incarnation of a very old design. When I first saw mention of this knife I couldn't help but think of the Lierenaar from the 18th century in the German/Belgium area.

Thank you sitflyer for all of your hard work putting this lock into historical perspective. WTG. :)
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Video of Marksman 830:

[video=youtube;pb_PSA--ApI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pb_PSA--ApI[/video]
 
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