Martinez family scammers in Imperial Beach CA - Bad and Ugly

Hey all,

Thanks, again, for the general support and for all your comments. And I do mean *all* your comments. I would chip in that:

1) eBay protects buyers (as has been pointed out earlier by some savvy folks) from these types of transactions so there really isn't significant risk. Out of respect (at the time) for the seller I paid immediately after winning the knife at auction. I think this is just the reasonable way to do business. In fact, when this thing started to go South I called eBay and they recommended this practice - counting on buyer protection when bidding on an item with low seller feedback. It is part of their business model.

2) This post is really meant (also pointed out above) as a warning to anyone dealing with these specific people. I have transacted 100's of deals online and really can point to maybe 2-3 that were bad. This just happened to be one. IMHO MattWRog hit the nail on the head from *both* my perspective and eBay's - this is exactly why eBay is built this way and why PayPal is structured as it is....to give a measure of protection to their customers so that there can be trust (in the economic theory sense) and therefore business. If these commercial practices result in de facto endorsement of fraudulent practices since buyers are encouraged to participate in the market via risk mitigation by eBay (as Gastonknife seems to comment above) well that sounds like a great economics thesis project, if it hasn't already been done.

3) I take the critical or negative comments above this way: If you believe I was blindly handing over cash and hoping for the best, I wasn't (nor would I recommend that). What I was doing was engaging in a transaction, with guaranteed protection from eBay, in good faith with people who later turned out to be fraudsters.

Once again, thanks for the support.

Mark
 
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It's a valid post.

Mitch(braillediver) has been around for a long time, and all of us see this happen from time to time.

Thankfully, gratefully, and always, hopefully, the people who frequent the knife community are good people who don't engage in predatory behavior...we are fortunate for that.

Best of luck to the OP, and thanks again for posting this up!

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
I have had this happen before with a knife from someone that had over 100 feedback, I think it was about 3 weeks before they issued me a refund.
 
It's a valid post.

Mitch(braillediver) has been around for a long time, and all of us see this happen from time to time.

Heh, not that it's not a valid point, but I would point out that the OP has been around BF almost a decade longer than braillediver. Not picking at anyone, by the way... it just struck me as funny.
 
It's a valid post.

Mitch(braillediver) has been around for a long time, and all of us see this happen from time to time.

Thankfully, gratefully, and always, hopefully, the people who frequent the knife community are good people who don't engage in predatory behavior...we are fortunate for that.

Best of luck to the OP, and thanks again for posting this up!

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Heh, not that it's not a valid point, but I would point out that the OP has been around BF almost a decade longer than braillediver. Not picking at anyone, by the way... it just struck me as funny.

Old Mitch should know then, provoking comments like "how's that working out for you?" Are best left for whine and cheese.
 
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