Maxace IP Theft Claim

[danbot]

If he does it better or cheaper that's the free market at work

I don't see the problem beyond again the presumption the state would protect him. If the original producer didn't have that expectation there would be nothing wrong here. It's how humanity did things for a long time

Patents aren't cheap. they are paying for that limited protection. Once the patent expires, it's free game.

 

[91bravo]

Bigwillie is all for theft! Nobody likes a thief...

 

[BigWillie]

If you made an awesome, cogent, enlightened post, I'd steal it and call it my own just so you could feel what being victimized by IP theft felt like...

Our lives has been wayyyy too soft

The idea you could just give up good ideas because of some arbitrary law from the state woudl be laughed at by our ancestors.

And people do steal ideas like that, which is again why it's absurd to say you can own a string of words or music. Because it ends with Monsanto owning gene sequences in pigs

 

[BigWillie]

Patents aren't cheap. they are paying for that limited protection. Once the patent expires, it's free game.

If we didn't give people the assumption their patent would be enforced.

nothing would be wrong. That would be just the way we did things.

Owning an idea is the height of absurdity. And it certainly isn't something that would exist in a truly free market.

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

Innovation is hard work, often involving a year or more of hard thought, experimentation, and related costs. Patents make ideas requiring that kind of work feasible. Without such protections that kind of labor-intensive process loses economic feasibility because your competitor can just wait for you to do all the legwork then copy said innovation at pennies to the dollar because they don't have to amortize R&D across the life of the final product. Consider these protections a reward for putting in the effort. Our IP protection system at the moment does have some problems, but nothing is perfect. It's all a matter of striking the right balance. One need not throw the baby out with the bath.

 

[danbot]

If we didn't give people the assumption their patent would be enforced.

nothing would be wrong. That would be just the way we did things.

Owning an idea is the height of absurdity. And it certainly isn't something that would exist in a truly free market.

Well, like it or not, it's our reality now and it's here to stay.

 

[Hackenslash]

Very strange that you think you're qualified to gauge my argument knowing where you fall on the IQ scale

But OK

Cool. You assume you're smarter than me. I may have already won the argument.

Our lives has been wayyyy too soft

The idea you could just give up good ideas because of some arbitrary law from the state woudl be laughed at by our ancestors.

And people do steal ideas like that, which is again why it's absurd to say you can own a string of words or music. Because it ends with Monsanto owning gene sequences in pigs

I agree that our lives are too soft.

In your "world view" of free market, our lives would also be very dull.

There would be no hit songs or blockbuster movies.
There would be no "great American novel".
There would be no Shelby Mustang.
There would be no Benchmade Axis Lock.

Now, follow along...
There would be no reward for innovation or creativity.
There would be no financial incentive to improve, the true definition of a free market world, which you seem to be failing to grasp.

Anybody, anywhere could claim a top 40 hit or a knife or a handbag.

Those few who still tried to invent and improve would rapidly be trodden down by those better equipped to copy, manufacture and bring to market.

Your views are incredibly wrong, even in a hypothetical sense, but somehow I sense you'll never see it that way.

 

[Hackenslash]

And on topic, I think Maxace is full of BS. I'd quit really even looking at their knives a while ago anyway.

 

[Mo2]

Innovation is hard work, often involving a year or more of hard thought, experimentation, and related costs. Patents make ideas requiring that kind of work feasible. Without such protections that kind of labor-intensive process loses economic feasibility because your competitor can just wait for you to do all the legwork then copy said innovation at pennies to the dollar because they don't have to amortize R&D across the life of the final product. Consider these protections a reward for putting in the effort. Our IP protection system at the moment does have some problems, but nothing is perfect. It's all a matter of striking the right balance. One need not throw the baby out with the bath.

I think his argument is that he doesn't care as long as he gets a better or just cheaper product. So it makes it okay. Or am I reading his posts incorrectly on the subject ?

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

Cool. You assume you're smarter than me. I may have already won the argument.

Your views are incredibly wrong, even in a hypothetical sense, but somehow I sense you'll never see it that way.

I think the term you're looking for is "fractal wrongness".

I think this thread has lost any semblance of usefulness. I'll be bowing out now, but may come back as a spectator with some popcorn.

 

[Hackenslash]

I think the term you're looking for is "fractal wrongness".

I'd never heard that term. I need to get out more.

I particularly like this quote on Fractal Wrongness from Wikipedia:
"Debating a person who is fractally wrong leads to infinite regress, as every refutation you make of that person's opinions will lead to a rejoinder, full of half-truths, leaps of poor logic, and outright lies, which requires just as much refutation to debunk as the first one—kind of like a recursive Gish Gallop, where each point both surrounds and is surrounded by an equally wrong argument. It is worth noting that being fractally wrong can be handy for the losing side in a public debate, since you are likely to leave your opponent looking baffled and unable to deal with each level of wrongness."

I think in my day we called this "wrestling with a pig in the mud".

 

[knarfeng]

Thread closed. Warnings to follow.