Mayo TNT?

[DumboRAT]

I smell a troll.......

Allen
aka DumboRAT

 

[Keith Montgomery]

Hilton is a good guy and not a troll. I just happen to be sure that he is wrong here, but a troll... no way.

 

[Stumpy]

I only own one and was lucky enough to get it off of Tom's site a few years back it's a large with a 6k blade.Not that Tom needs me or asked me but I have spent 20+ years in the steel industry hands on and have seen and done plasma ,lazer, water jet ect.and am very familar with lathe and mill work and my slot is milled plain and simple. Meg as usual you have far to many knives at your diposal. Enough yapping from me here are a few pics.

 

[bladezealot]

Tom's knives are, with a doubt in my mind, made as he says they are.

As someone else pointed out from a cost effeciency viewpoint, it would be ridiculous. Each TNT I have seen, and I've seen and handled more than my share, is an individual and unique work of functional art.

Thay are as Tom says they are. Tom is a true master of his craft. His knives know no peer.

I'm with Gig, along with his $ he is willing to put up, I'll give you one of my personal TNTs. All you have to do is prove that drivel you espouse.

 

[FrankDL]

I'm still here . . .
and I stand by my first post.

By your last statement Hilton, it would appear that you are calling Tom a liar!
Tom has explained in detail the milling of his ovals, and you, from looking at a picture, are going to call the maker of the knife a liar? That is uncool man.

Hilton you need to put the pipe, bottle or joint down man and apologize big time. And if your ego won't let you do that, Gig1 posed a challenge to you...so why don't you put-up or shut-up!

 

[HiltonP]

Phew! thanks Keith, clearly I’m outgunned here in this testosterone filled room . . . I may have been expressing an opinion based on a photograph, but some here are making judgements without any base.

The reactions have been misguided because it’s NOT the laser cutting I have a problem with, but rather the finish. I couldn’t care less if a knifemaker has his pieces profiled on the planet Zog by green men using ray guns. I’ve never believed that we should lock knifemaking into a pre-computer era, it limits the potential for development and growth. I do however understand that it is an emotive topic in some circles, and a hostile one in others.

I like Mr Mayo’s folders, I think that little semi-Wharncliffe is a magic piece of design. I was blunt (!) in my post. If the expression of a personal opinion offends, then so be it. It is my view, and I would not wish to see a rough finish on the thumb hole of my folder at that price point.

 

[GigOne]

Posted by HiltonP:

. . .clearly I’m outgunned here in this testosterone filled room. . .

It has nothing to do with testosterone !

Food for thought Hilton. . .

This was posted by Chris Reeve some time ago. Look carefully at the sentences highlighted !

Any post needs to be considered carefully because, while it is all fine and well to enjoy freedom of speech, that freedom does not come without the responsibility of the ramification of your post. Each person sitting at his or her keyboard has tremendous power to inflame, insult and cast aspersions in an arena where they can be anonymous. A seemingly innocent question asked here turned out to be loaded with implication and the subsequent responses, some of which were very impulsive, were full of implication and accusation. Consider carefully what you write before you write it. How you phrase your questions and comments can make all the difference with what implications it might have. All these posts are written into posterity and all of us are accountable for what we have written. No one has the right to destroy someone else’s character or, potentially, his livelihood.

You made and hold to an unsubstantiated claim. . .even after Mr. Mayo made it very clear, several times, that his blades aren’t laser cut !

Clearly, Mr. Mayo is well thought of, as a person and maker. He’s a stand-up person and people don’t like it when someone makes a claim like you did and insinuate that he's lying. Based on this last sentence. . .it's easy to see how you can be thought of as a troll.

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[DumboRAT]

Mr. Montgomery and Mr. HiltonP -

I apologize for my jumping to conclusions and calling Mr. HiltonP a troll - but still, I believe that his/your last series of posts reflect nothing other than the behavior of trolling.

Clearly, Mr. Mayo is well thought of, as a person and maker. He’s a stand-up person and people don’t like it when someone makes a claim like you did and insinuate that he's lying. Based on this last sentence. . .it's easy to see how you can be thought of as a troll.

I agree with GigOne. With such insinuations and tone of expression as per your previous posts, HiltonP, it's indeed hard -NOT- to think of you as such.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, definitely.

However, your first statement (at 05-21-2004, 05:31 AM) of, and I quote:

...I was quite disappointed to see in photos posted in the other Mayo TNT thread that the laser cutting marks are still clearly visible....

Along with your post yesterday at 10:37 AM, and I again quote:

I'm still here . . .
and I stand by my first post.

- which itself rather harshly insinuates that Mr. Mayo may be lying about his not having used laser-cutting in crafting his works -

Simply does not mesh with your current statement:

...The reactions have been misguided because it’s NOT the laser cutting I have a problem with, but rather the finish.

...I may have been expressing an opinion based on a photograph, but some here are making judgements without any base.

Actually, I do have a basis for reference. Although my beginner's collection may be modest, it does contain several pieces in this price-range, and Mr. Mayo's work is among them.

And from Mr. Mayo's own statements, it would rather seem that you are the one who is coming to conclusions based on false data and incorrect assumptions.

If you are complaining about the overall fiinsh detailing of the knife, that is fine and proper - we each are entitled to our own opinions.

But to try to back up your views with incorrect data and then to insinuate that a man's lying about his works?

If that's not trolling behavior, I honestly do not know what is.

Allen
aka DumboRAT

 

[GigOne]

Nicely put DumboRAT !

 

[Keith Montgomery]

Mr. Montgomery and Mr. HiltonP -

I apologize for my jumping to conclusions and calling Mr. HiltonP a troll - but still, I believe that his/your last series of posts reflect nothing other than the behavior of trolling.

Ok, I'm a little confused by the above statement. Are you accusing me of trolling or am I just not getting the right meaning from your statement above? When you addressed the statement to both myself and to Hilton and then used "his/your" when referring to who it is that you think is behaving as a troll, you have caused me to not be sure of who your comment was directed at.

The reactions have been misguided because it’s NOT the laser cutting I have a problem with, but rather the finish. I couldn’t care less if a knifemaker has his pieces profiled on the planet Zog by green men using ray guns. I’ve never believed that we should lock knifemaking into a pre-computer era, it limits the potential for development and growth. I do however understand that it is an emotive topic in some circles, and a hostile one in others.

I like Mr Mayo’s folders, I think that little semi-Wharncliffe is a magic piece of design. I was blunt (!) in my post. If the expression of a personal opinion offends, then so be it. It is my view, and I would not wish to see a rough finish on the thumb hole of my folder at that price point.

Hilton, this brouhaha would not be occurring if you had just stated that you thought the hole's finish was not what you would accept on a knife the price of one of Tom's. That would be a statement based on your expectations and you could not be held at fault for having that view. Others may well disagree, but it is only you that can decide what is important in your decision of whether to purchase a knife.

 

[Architect]

Keith - agreed

HiltonP - at the very least, you should either retract the "laser cutting" element of your statements, or provide some insight as to how you came to conclusions regarding Tom's manufacturing processes.

 

[db]

What a bunch of bs. I clearly understood that H had a problem with the marks in the hole and not how they were put there. His first post is just fine. Personally the marks don't bother me, but H surly has the right to his opinion.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

What a bunch of bs. I clearly understood that H had a problem with the marks in the hole and not how they were put there. His first post is just fine. Personally the marks don't bother me, but H surly has the right to his opinion.

db, you sure don't mince words, do you?

 

[tom mayo]

from what everyone else saw in his post...........he clearly implied that I was using a CNC to make my knives................and when questioned, he insisted he was right.........thats the bs........I have NO problem with him posting whatever he wants......


BUT I dont like to be called a LIAR!!!

 

[GigOne]

Posted by db:

. . .H surly has the right to his opinion. . .

Nobody is disputing his right to have an opinion. In this case, Hilton doesn't like the marks in the thumb hole opening of the knife pictured.


But. . .to accuse or make claims that a custom maker is using laser cut parts is nothing more than bovine scatology. Especially, when the maker has made several posts refuting the accusation.

Yet, Hilton stands firm on his original post and has yet to provide any proof to back-up his claim.

Actually, Hilton proving his claim is very beneficial. My $1,000 offer is still open and Bladezealot is willing to fess up a TNT.

Hilton wants a turn at bat. . .but he's not willing to step up to the plate. This type of behavior leads to sever :footinmou conditions.

 

[db]

Mr. Mayo you surely have a right, and maybe even a duty to correct a comment on how your knives are made. However, to say Hilton was clearly implying you made your knives by CNC from that post is ridiculous. He called milling marks as lazar marks but he was clearly talking about the marks and not how they were made. For all the rest of the bandwagon warriors who think they can tell whoever what they can or cannot say, or how it should be said can…it’s not worth my time. Maybe we should try and understand WHAT someone is saying, instead of how they say it.

 

[wolfmann601]

Mr. Mayo you surely have a right, and maybe even a duty to correct a comment on how your knives are made. However, to say Hilton was clearly implying you made your knives by CNC from that post is ridiculous. He called milling marks as lazar marks but he was clearly talking about the marks and not how they were made. For all the rest of the bandwagon warriors who think they can tell whoever what they can or cannot say, or how it should be said can…it’s not worth my time. Maybe we should try and understand WHAT someone is saying, instead of how they say it.

When one refers to Laser marks, it's a safe assumption to conclude a LASER was used to make them. I would think that on a knife forum, Laser marks mean marks left by use of a laser, mill marks are marks left by a mill, and file marks are marks made by use of a file.

Hilton stated that the marks were "Laser marks" and then stood by his claim.

there is simply no way any knife made by Tom Mayo had "laser marks". The only laser Tom owns is worn on his hip attached to his Glock

 

[db]

When one refers to Laser marks, it's a safe assumption to conclude a LASER was used to make them. I would think that on a knife forum, Laser marks mean marks left by use of a laser, mill marks are marks left by a mill, and file marks are marks made by use of a file.

Hilton stated that the marks were "Laser marks" and then stood by his claim.

there is simply no way any knife made by Tom Mayo had "laser marks". The only laser Tom owns is worn on his hip attached to his Glock

Keep on assuming, and then totally miss the point of the post. . Good to see. The over reaction to this makes me wonder.

 

[joeshredd]

Is this the pic in question? (sorry - it's too big!)
If I managed to get the right one from the previous thread.. yes, I see some marks... only they look to me like they belong... aides the opening motion with a little better surface texture inside the hole?
Tom makes some sweet stuff...

Well... at least I saw what y'all were talking about... :grumpy:

 

[tom mayo]

I give up.........hopefully I will survive this and be able to sell some knives in Atlanta next week..................