McAhron Verrinder has not sent my knife

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Well, since i had to find out the hard way about Paypal policy i need to put this once respectable man in the Hall of Shame.

this knife build was supposed to start in Nov. 2013 and should have been completed by march of 2014.
Payment was paid in full by end Dec. 11 2013. he said he'd try to get it to me before christmas. I told him i didn't want him to rush and after the new years would be fine. So, i expected the knife by march 2014.

since then he has had issues at home with the wife supposedly, loss of income etc. , then he says that he has had a heart operation etc. etc. I felt for him & his wife and tired to give them both useful info to help assist them with their troubles. this was before his heart operation mind you.

Since then we have talked and he said he was going to fill his last orders and then retire. he says he obviously has to go slow because of his physical situation and i under stand that. Yet there was no reason that this knife was not akready finshed that he told me about at all. That is the big issue that sticks in my craw :mad:

So he tells me the knife came back from boss heat treat and he was going to send picture updates etc. never happened, said he would contact me soon, and never did.

So, as some may know Paypal won't protect you after 45 days from final payment. or at most if you have a 6 month extension. so they advise you to deal with your bank to try to recover your $$ . paypal will verify and cooperate with them as much as possible, but that is all.

So, all told I paid McAhron $650.00 + the cost of the scales $77.30 for a total of $727.30
Yup, totally guilty of paying in full ahead of time. I didn't think it would be an issue with him as he was well known & respected in the knife community.

I hope's still alive frankly. obviously for both humanistic and practical reasons alike.

I still want my knife. i have passed on many because of this knife that was supposed to be a very awesome 1 off
Balisong. He has a new answering machine message, and it's always let's you leave a message too. his voice sounded good on it also... i told him i might have to catch a plain to deal with him on this issue... ; also i only went the paypal route cause he left me know choice... guess the egg is on my face concerning that but i'm not done yet.
 
Well, since i had to find out the hard way about Paypal policy i need to put this once respectable man in the Hall of Shame.

this knife build was supposed to start in Nov. 2013 and should have been completed by march of 2014.
Payment was paid in full by end Dec. 11 2013. he said he'd try to get it to me before christmas. I told him i didn't want him to rush and after the new years would be fine. So, i expected the knife by march 2014.

since then he has had issues at home with the wife supposedly, loss of income etc. , then he says that he has had a heart operation etc. etc. I felt for him & his wife and tired to give them both useful info to help assist them with their troubles. this was before his heart operation mind you.

Since then we have talked and he said he was going to fill his last orders and then retire. he says he obviously has to go slow because of his physical situation and i under stand that. Yet there was no reason that this knife was not akready finshed that he told me about at all. That is the big issue that sticks in my craw :mad:

So he tells me the knife came back from boss heat treat and he was going to send picture updates etc. never happened, said he would contact me soon, and never did.

So, as some may know Paypal won't protect you after 45 days from final payment. or at most if you have a 6 month extension. so they advise you to deal with your bank to try to recover your $$ . paypal will verify and cooperate with them as much as possible, but that is all.

So, all told I paid McAhron $650.00 + the cost of the scales $77.30 for a total of $727.30
Yup, totally guilty of paying in full ahead of time. I didn't think it would be an issue with him as he was well known & respected in the knife community.

I hope's still alive frankly. obviously for both humanistic and practical reasons alike.

I still want my knife. i have passed on many because of this knife that was supposed to be a very awesome 1 off
Balisong. He has a new answering machine message, and it's always let's you leave a message too. his voice sounded good on it also... i told him i might have to catch a plain to deal with him on this issue... ; also i only went the paypal route cause he left me know choice... guess the egg is on my face concerning that but i'm not done yet.
 
Man, sorry to hear this. I knew he had health problems.
There must be others who have orders from him. Maybe you will get more info soon. Good luck.
I have a one-off from Ahron.
rolf
 
A very, very, very common story. So common, we could write it into the Playbook of Worrying Behaviors. You know, that handy guide we all use to know how to work with strangers to buy products that don't exist yet. We have one of those, right?
 
Excuse my lack of knowledge, but who is McHaron Verrinder?!

Where did you here of this guy, and where did the trust come from to pay up front?

Just curious....
 
Custom or not,Famous or not I would not wait too long for a knife to be made. and I darn sure wouldn't pay the entire amount up front.
 
If it's true that he's not scamming you, then I would put it under "life happens" and consider your money as a "donation" of compassion.

If you can afford $700 for a knife, then I would think the loss isn't going to put you in the poor house. Yes, I understand the value of your money but consider what happened to him also. Why add more stress to him? It's not like $700 is going to make him rich either.

If the situation were reversed, how would you want him to deal with you?
 
A few pivotal POINTs are being COMPLETELY overlooked.
Mistake by KD for paying upfront (Lesson learned)

Life happens my butt--YOU as a Reputable Maker
WILLINGLY take my cash.. And make excuse after excuse..?? That
is the part that amazes me...
How about being upfront.. I spent your cash I will keep you updated
on my ups and downs in my life and OF COURSE let you know
when the knife I promised will be completed...?? Really........?

THE point is..
HE paid for a knife to be Custom Built
Either the knife needs to be completed and sent
OR the cash needs to be refunded..

700 is a HUGE chunk of change for anyone these days.
Guessing that isnt the case for some members.?

Of course see what PayPal can do for you.. That simply is BS....................

I wish you well with a resolve......
 
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Rey HRH said:
If it's true that he's not scamming you, then I would put it under "life happens" and consider your money as a "donation" of compassion.

If you can afford $700 for a knife, then I would think the loss isn't going to put you in the poor house. Yes, I understand the value of your money but consider what happened to him also. Why add more stress to him? It's not like $700 is going to make him rich either.

If the situation were reversed, how would you want him to deal with you?
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Really a compassionate response. I guess you treat people the way you want to be treated on a daily basis…..right?
Now the big question for me is have you, or do you plan to send the OP $700 ?? (to show your true compassionate nature). You might take a very different view of the maker if it was YOUR money on the line. Just something to consider.

Best regards,

Paul
 
Rey HRH said:
If it's true that he's not scamming you, then I would put it under "life happens" and consider your money as a "donation" of compassion.

If you can afford $700 for a knife, then I would think the loss isn't going to put you in the poor house. Yes, I understand the value of your money but consider what happened to him also. Why add more stress to him? It's not like $700 is going to make him rich either.

If the situation were reversed, how would you want him to deal with you?
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You are kidding right?
 
Rey HRH said:
If it's true that he's not scamming you, then I would put it under "life happens" and consider your money as a "donation" of compassion.

If you can afford $700 for a knife, then I would think the loss isn't going to put you in the poor house. Yes, I understand the value of your money but consider what happened to him also. Why add more stress to him? It's not like $700 is going to make him rich either.

If the situation were reversed, how would you want him to deal with you?
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Ummmm....ya, this, because it makes so little sense that you have to respect anyone who could actually write something like that, it's a gift of some kind to be so kcabsdrow.

Quick question, who is McHaron Verrinder?!

I have to ask so I can try to understand why someone would trust him with that much $ up front......

Just trying to find some relevance here....
 
Rey HRH said:
If it's true that he's not scamming you, then I would put it under "life happens" and consider your money as a "donation" of compassion.

If you can afford $700 for a knife, then I would think the loss isn't going to put you in the poor house. Yes, I understand the value of your money but consider what happened to him also. Why add more stress to him? It's not like $700 is going to make him rich either.

If the situation were reversed, how would you want him to deal with you?
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^^^
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Your highly illogical post, rank's right up there with thee all time most ridiculous comments I think I've ever read here.

If this situation were reversed, I would expect the money to be 100% refunded. It isn't the OP's responsibility (medical issues or not), to just GIVE this knife maker over $700 of his hard earned money...& FWIW: $700 is a lot of money!

sheathmaker said:
Really a compassionate response. I guess you treat people the way you want to be treated on a daily basis…..right?
Now the big question for me is have you, or do you plan to send the OP $700 ?? (to show your true compassionate nature). You might take a very different view of the maker if it was YOUR money on the line.
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^^^
THIS!
 
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Nevermind.

Google is my friend!

I know this had been repeated many times, but I have yet to meet a respected maker that takes any money up-front....

The most would be a small deposit to hold your spot.

I guess that's all that needs to be said.
 
KELAMA said:
^^^
:thumbdn::thumbdn:

Your highly illogical post, rank's up there with thee all time most ridiculous comments I think I've ever read here.

If this situation was reversed, I would expect the money to be 100% refunded. It isn't the OP's responsibility to give this scammer over $700 of his hard earned money...& FWIW: $700 is a lot of money!



^^^
THIS!
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He did make one hell of an argument though, I mean you can't argue the logic:

"If you can afford $700 for a knife, then I would think the loss isn't going to put you in the poor house."
 
JR88FAN said:
He did make one hell of an argument though, I mean you can't argue the logic:

"If you can afford $700 for a knife, then I would think the loss isn't going to put you in the poor house."
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No Alex, I can't argue that! ;)

However, if this were me- you could get your bottom dollar, that I would expend every resource possible to recoup my money. Then again, I would never pay that kind of money up front.

Best of luck, knife dragon, finding some type of positive resolution.
 
sheathmaker said:
Really a compassionate response. I guess you treat people the way you want to be treated on a daily basis…..right?
Now the big question for me is have you, or do you plan to send the OP $700 ?? (to show your true compassionate nature). You might take a very different view of the maker if it was YOUR money on the line. Just something to consider.

Best regards,

Paul
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Yes, I aim to treat people how I would like to be treated. My advice was contingent on the knife maker not being a scammer.
If I was in his position and the facts are as they are, yes, i would take my own advice. Sending the OP money wouldn't show my compassionate nature; he admitted he didn't protect himself. It's not my duty to protect him.

But regarding compassion and my money, yes, I'm not rich. I can't think of justifying spending $700 for one knife, but I suppose I've spent more than that in total. But, yes, I gave a family I'm not related to or are friends with at least $700 early this year because the main bread winner had a aneurism and is still currently recovering. And, I didn't expect even a toothpick much less a knife from the transaction even. That's why I was able to imagine that for someone who could afford a $700 knife isn't going to be in the poor house for losing it. It's like the knife fell through down a street storm drain right after he got it.

I'm just taking my cue from the OP. He admits he's guilty of having paid the money up front. The guy is well-known and respectable. The guy is now citing several issues to do with his wife, or himself, or the whole family situation. A guy who is well-known and respectable isn't going to con just one customer. So I'm still going with the assumption that the issues are real. If they're not, then my advice doesn't apply. If the guy turns out to actually not be respectable and scamming a good number of his customers, that's the OP's faulty research.

So yes, I considered the situation as if it were my money and the knife maker wasn't scamming. What's the OP going to do? Go to the knife maker's house, force him out of his sick bed or from taking care of his wife and to make the knife or to dig around for the $700 that isn't available because he's spent it on medical care?
 
Even if the problems are real I am certain that the maker has had a spare minute or two to wire the OP's money back to him and any respected maker would do just that
 
Paying up front isn't a crime, so the OP isn't guilty of anything. If the OPs post is genuine then he is owed. He didn't give the maker money, he paid in advance for a product. While compassion and understanding are good they shouldn't be confused with what supposedly happened here.
If a maker charges money up front they take on the responsibility of delivering regardless of their personal circumstances. If he couldn't deliver he shouldn't have taken the cash. As soon as he thought he might not be able to deliver he should have refunded those who are owed. Health problems suck but it's been years.
 
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