Medievil Assault Knife

Well, guess we're going to have to disagree on some of this.

Before I go any farther, I'd sure like for any LEOs to chime in here, and express what their reaction would be to a fantasy knife -- the first they've ever seen -- that has been used to commit an assault on themselves. Yes, I know that many police are behind the pressure to remove weapons from civilians. But many others are open-minded forumites who are genuine knife knuts also. Or, for that matter, anyone who can remember their first glimpse of a multi-bladed, multi-pointed fantasy knife. I can clearly remember that my response was, "What in the hell is that? What could you possibly do with it?"

We all have different tastes in art or "art". For instance, I do not get excited by black velvet paintings of Elvis. They do not qualify within my definition of art.

I believe that if there are going to be any fights which the knife world becomes involved in, that those fights need to be carefully chosen. In this instance, particularly since the language used by the media allegedly came from LEOs, the characterization of a fantasy knife as an assault knife seems perfectly logical to me. Like it or not, the media is going to rely on the word of police when it comes to describing weapons with which they are not familiar. I don't think that a knife advocate striving to make them understand that an assault weapon -- remember it was used to assault several people including LEOs -- isn't actually a weapon, but is just a plain, everyday tool for cutting is likely to succeed. I am totally unable to see this minor incident as proof of any large scale conspiracy against knives being owned by individuals. When such situations arise, I believe that as many of us as possible should do whatever is realistically helpful. But, I remember a recent thread involving something legal about knives. The suggestion that AKTI or individuals get involved was answered with many posts counseling that any action would bring negative attention on knives and that we should lay as low as possible.

Oh -- one last thing, I knew a woman once who was stabbed 52 times with an icepick and survived it. I don't have that much faith in them as weapons.


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Bugs
 
Bugs,

Art is a subjective thing.

However, that an item used to assault another person does not make that item an "assault weapon." We do not have special catagories of "assault baseball bats", "assault chains", "assault automobiles", or even "assault frying pans", yet all of these items have been used to criminally assault others. So what is so special about an "assault knife"? Clearly, the word has been incorrectly used to raise undue alarm.

By far the most common knife used in interpersonnel attacks is the standard kitchen knife... Fantasy knives are well down the list (probably somewhere below butter knives and breadsticks).
 
That's like my Springfield M-61 Assault Rifle. It's an 1861 Springfield Rifle Musket, Cal. .58, that fires Minie balls after being loaded from the muzzle. And it has been used in many assaults at various locations such as Gettysburg and Antietam, etc. P.S. it does not have a bayonet lug, the bayonet locks around the front sight.
Snarl!

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Hugh Fuller
 
The way the media uses the word "assault," anything can become an assault weapon. An "assault shoe string." That would be the camouflage colored one.
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How about an assault Ford Pinto? (Most of us could out run this one
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) It is whatever the media chooses to sensationalize. And no, they don't care about our opinion. Call all you want, I would hope it would make a difference...I really doubt it will. The word "assault" is a catch word they want to use...presumably for stirring up public emotions and upping their ratings.

Regarding "fantasy knives," art is subjective, but I've never personally warmed up to them. But to the sheeple, these knives must look wicked and evil, with only one purpose...homicide. If they only understood that they were designed with "art" in mind. Many products are turned away from useful product and into artistic expression. Have any of you seen ornate, porcelain thimbles? (I have a wife...OK?) They are 100% useless as an active thimble, but very decorative and great as a collector's item. Try drawing this comparison (or others similar) for the media.
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They won't buy it!

Look at the implements used in homicide. True "assault" items are rarer than the media wish the public to believe. Commonly it is whatever the aggressor can find.

Ron
 
Thank you Ron, for saying so clearly much of what I was trying to convey. "But to the sheeple, these knives must look wicked and evil, with only one purpose...homicide. "

I think that when the media call the basic little SAKs assault weapons, or 2 3/4" slip joints are referred to as something other than what they are, that it may be time to put out some effort to obtain more honest, factual, reporting. But when a fantasy knife has been used to assault a person and police officers, and one of the officers labels the knife something we don't want to hear, it is just wasted effort to try to change it.

There are/will be situations where the journalists have a devious agenda. Those are where we need to stand up for what is right. This just isn't one of them, IMHO.

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Bugs

[This message has been edited by Bugs3x (edited 04-23-2001).]
 
Wild Bill,
Sadly, you've been given your answer by the media.
"People don't know the difference." followed by the classic gaelic shrug which implies both apathy and the suggestion that you perform a sexual act with yourself.

As for truth and accuracy,
C'mon now, do you really expect these bottom dwellers to care about such foolish things as truth and accuracy?
They're not in the business of telling the truth with any accuracy, their business is to sell advertising, and the more lurid and sensational their content, the more they will cater to the vast majority of Americans.
(Most of whom don't care about truth or accuracy either.)
The more they cater to the "great un-educated" the more advertising they sell.
It's a simple equation really;

Selected Truth + sensational distortion = Ratings

Ratings = Advertising = Revenue

I have more respect for street walking prostitutes than for the media, the street walkers at least, do not pretend to be other than what they are.

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Tráceme no sin la razón, envoltura mi no sin honor
Usual Suspect
 
Ken is right. It is just another sad case of intentional inflammatory wording because Selling the news is more to the point than the truth.

Ken is one person whose opinions on 'medievil assault weapons' should be respected by all, especially at close proximity where Ken's pointed opinion has been know to bring more than one worthy opponent to their knees begging mercy at the point of Ken's insistance, not to mention his sharp, pointy, and dangerous medievel assault weapon aimed carefully at the blood of life pulsing in the carotid artery at the tender juncture of his victims neck and shoulder.

Medieval Assault Knife, ya gotta admit, it is evocative and has a certain flare, quite unlike the namby pamby weak-minded sheeple who actually let such drek form their opinions for them. Someone ought to go medieval on their sorry ****** and show them what fer...

Someone ought to show them how to use a misercorde, a Real medieval assault weapon.

Paracelsus, spinning out of rhetorical control
 
"Misericorde" = a slender dagger used in the middle ages for giving the death stroke to a mortally wounded knight. (Per Webster - I admit I had to look it up)

Para,

That's a mighty long winded way to say propaganda.
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Your're right though; that is what passes for news these days. Zero analysis, zero balance, just whatever point of view has the most dramatic impact. It's clear most of the population operates on the low end of Maslow's hierarchy. Feed them, protect them and act in a friendly way and very few will expend the additional energy to understand what is going on, or to really concern themselves with the direction we are headed in.

Just keep telling them "don't worry about it baby ... mommy will take care of everything", and they will just sit there like ducks in a shooting gallery.

N2S
...off to sit like a duck in a shooting gallery


 
Aw gee Para!
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I never actually run them through, I just leave little poke marks all over'em so they can't fib to their wives about losing when they get home!
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Tráceme no sin la razón, envoltura mi no sin honor
Usual Suspect
 
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