Mercworx Knives...

Dave,

You're right.

I guess I meant that I'm sure the marketing guy's at MW are probably not the one's making the knives.

Sooooooo, just cuz you might think the marketing guy's are overzealous, doesn't mean that the guy's and hopefully gal's who are making the knives are unqualified.

;)
 
No Sir,
I'm not thin skinned.
And I would like to know what you think of your knife.
After all this I sure hope we find out.
I'm not here for you either, and and it doesn't offend me to hear your opinion.
To answer the only pertinent question you asked, I meant Shilling, as in to act as a shill. You may have heard the term "a corporate shill", It may be a slang advertising word. It means to shamelessly plug something. Usually because one has been paid or unduly influenced in some way.
I would be happy to form an opinion on his knife company by the performance of their product. I just haven't seen it yet. It seems somewhat odd to me that you've formed such a strong allegiance with this one brand sight unseen.
I hope the anticipation pays off.
For me those kind of dollars spent would require that folks around here thought it was a good idea as well.
Guess Ive spent a lot of time here, but for some reason my tastes, favorites, and opinions run sort of middle of the road around here.
Hope I haven't been brainwashed! I do tend to have a very high opinion of all of the knife makers in this community and I appreciate among other things their forthrightness and amiability. Down right nice folks. If you haven't done it yet make a point of buying a knife from the man or woman who actually made the tool.
You will find it is a rewarding experience that provides value long after the glow from the marketing hype of the production knife experience has faded with the credit card payment.
No beef here, nice talking to ya.
 
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

A shill is a confidence trickster's accomplice who pretends to be an enthusiastic customer in order to encourage the victim, or mark. ("I can walk!", or "I can see!", or "I'll buy ten!"). The technique employs group dynamics as an element of crowd psychology: the victim comes to feel that s/he stands in good company, does not lag in social sharpness, and should not delay in latching onto a good thing. One could regard groupies as a sub-class of the class of shills.

In the broader marketing arena, a shill functions as a provider of a testimonial - apparently unsolicited. In sales, the customer reference or the reference site equates to the shill.

The term is also used by illusionists to describe a collaborator in a magic trick.

The word is probably an abbreviation of shillaber, which has the same meaning, and appeared early in the 20th century from an unknown origin.
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The above is for the benefit of bvmjethead (I know, you were probably joking again) and just in case there are others that don't know the meaning of this word.

These knives look interesting. Let's wait and see what the reports are like; maybe they are very good knives. Eventually there will be enough reports that we will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.
 
Originally posted by MC Chan
To answer the only pertinent question you asked, I meant Shilling, as in to act as a shill. You may have heard the term "a corporate shill", It may be a slang advertising word. It means to shamelessly plug something. Usually because one has been paid or unduly influenced in some way.
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Again, I was kidding about that. As well as the camp knife comment. My dry humor is really not to good is it.

I would be happy to form an opinion on his knife company by the performance of their product. I just haven't seen it yet. It seems somewhat odd to me that you've formed such a strong allegiance with this one brand sight unseen.
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You walked right into this one too. Sorry but I can't resist.

It seems to me you've formed quite a strong opinion against this brand sight unseen.

If you haven't done it yet make a point of buying a knife from the man or woman who actually made the tool.
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I have not yet partially because every single knife maker I've contacted to date has yet to return an e-mail or phone call. Except MercWorx. I know that's NOT going to be believed, but that's the fact's. And don't ask me to give names or I will and that will end up embarassing some "respected" knifemakers from this board.

You will find it is a rewarding experience that provides value long after the glow from the marketing hype of the production knife experience has faded with the credit card payment.
No beef here, nice talking to ya.
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HA HA, I hear ya. I hope they're decent they were almost $800 and I've spent alot of time here......uh, talking about them.

Nice chatting with you too. Thanks.
 
Damn, thanks Keith!
Yes Mr. Head, Shilling it is, most literally what you are doing. Because you make such a fuss before actually ruining your reportedly beautiful knife for our edification.
I'd expect you to at least back up these claims with some hard use comparisons.
Just whack it around some and then tell us what you think. Some usefull comparison with a bench mark such as a BK-9, or as you suggest a Busse or Stider in the same size range.
I've got to tell you those are two well respected and worthy brands. You've set the bar up there pretty high.

Now if you'd just said "these are some cool designs, I bet they are as cool as some customs" I doubt you'd be getting such strong reactions.
Just my opinion.
 
bvmjethead
Go to a knife show.
Expect to pay somewhere between 100 and 250 if thats what you'd like to spend. Sort of my range.
Try to only buy a few knives.
Try not to spend all your money.
Realize you had a blast and got to talk to a lot of Knife makers.
THats what I meant about buying from the Maker.
It can be hard to get hold of a popular knifemaker because he is usually a small business and handles all the roles. THats why its so nice when they make the effort.
But I gaurantee you will see knife makers if you go to a knife show.
And they will be stuck there. THey are almost forced to talk to you.
Im sure you'll like it.
 
OK, here goes.

I bought the Shiva and the Sniper from MercWorx. I ordered both blades in the 154CM steel not the optional S30V. The S30V was a $50 option, I decided against it. I wanted to give MW a chance with their stock blades.

I'm certainly not going to sit here and say these are the best knives in the world, cuz I've not seen or used all the knives in the world. I'll say this though, these knives are built to get the job done. These are heavy knives, the tangs are not tapered and are 1/4" thick. The grind work is good and symetrical. The polish while not mirror smooth is pleasing to the eye. The look is as if someone lightly brushed the finished blades in one direction with 2000 grit sandpaper from handle to tip. The MW logo and style of the knife looks to be laser etched into the steel. I never have liked stamped logo's, and I think this is a classy way of marking the knives.

The sheaths are really nice. They are obviously made for compatibility with military web gear. There is a plastic buckle at the very top of the sheath for attatching to the drop latches of any tac vest. Right below that is the belt loop which has velco and is completely adjustable. There is a snap strap with velcro adjustments for holding the blade in the sheath, and above that there are some buttonholes in the sheath where you could use para cord to further secure the handle to the sheath. A sidearm magazing pouch on the front of the sheath, more velcro here, should fit most size magazines. On the back of the sheath is a velcro loop for keeping the sheath from flopping around on you leg. This loop would work well with the leg straps you may already have on your tactical holsters. Some para cord is hanging off the bottom of the sheath to tie to your leg, western style.

My roomate saw the Shiva and the first thing out of his mouth was "If you decide you aren't going to keep this knife I'll buy it from you." I hadn't said a word just pulled the knife out of the shipping box and handed it to him. The handle on the Shiva is a little small for me. I wish that the palm swells, were just a bit bigger, more rounded. But that's me, YMMV. The Shiva is a killing machine. There is no nice way of saying it. In my opinion daggers are for sticking into things you want to kill. I see no reason why this blade would not do the trick. It's thick, I doubt anything in the human and most animal bodies would break or damage this blade. $375, in my opinion is a little high for this knife. It's a quality product, and my life is worth it, but, again, IMHO it's a little high for this dagger. I think this one will get sold to my roomate. I don't really NEED this blade not with the Sniper on my hip.

The Sniper is a sweet knife, I really like this blade. It's big, it's bad, it rock's. The shape of, and the grinds on the blade itself are just elegant, it's a beautiful weapon. It speaks to me, pick me up, use me for anything, I'm ready. Beauty does not in itself get things done, but I thought it was worth sharing. The handle feels good in my hand, in many differnet positions. I see no reason why this knife could not be used for anything from a sidearm in battle, to butchering big game, to a camp knife. I own nothing I can compare this knife to, so you guy's who have the Striders and other customs I'm sorry. I'm very happy with the Sniper purchase. I feel it's well worth the $400 price tag. This one is a keeper. I Really like this knife.

Once I find a person who I trust to sharpen my Sniper I'll begin some testing with it.

Will somebody please direct me to a person who can sharpen this knife for me here in the Hampton, Newport News area of Virginia. I suck at sharpening, I'm to anal and end up just obsessing over it. It's bad, bad, you don't want me sharpening a knife.

Also, if anybody has any specific questions for me I'll be glad to try and answer as best I can. Thanks for looking.
 
Here's my recommendation on someone to sharpen your knive, the artisans at MercWorx! For $400.00 the knife should come dangerously sharp. Since you felt it was well worth the money as you received it, could we have your opinion as to it's estimated value had it come sharp?
 
Once I find a person who I trust to sharpen my Sniper I'll begin some testing with it.
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Bvm if you need to sharpen that blade, there is some thing wrong in knife paradise. The mother should have cut its own way out of the box.


And to think that there is a thread about the TOPS knives and value. My 220.00 TOPS came razor sharp and same material. So did my Nealy`s, Busse`s, Reeve`s, Simionich`s and on and on.

Hey Brownshoe, you paying attention to this.


:D :D :D

I don`t believe bmv is a shill anymore.
 
You may be right, and frankly I was initally a little disapointed about that. My roomate who is way more into knives than I am informed me that this is a somewhat common practice in production knife companies. It was my understanding (from his advice anyway) that many manufacturers do not ship knives razor sharp due to some liability issues. I don't think MW is alone in this. If I'm wrong, oh well. These knives are at least as sharp as any other knife I've purchased at any local store, just not razor sharp like I want it.

Point is I'M HAPPY with MY purchase, I don't give a hoot if you are or not.

Wanted to say that I got a call from a rep (Nigel) of MW yesterday just to see if I had recieved the knives yet. I informed him that I had not because I was not home when the mailman came yesterday. Nigel called me again today just to check on the shipment. I've RARELY had a company call me twice to check on product arrival. MercWorx customer service has been well above average in my experience.

I also found a nice coffee mug in my box I had not seen when I pulled the knives out. Nice touch.
 
hdiller--

You bought 4 dagger/fighters for $1500,and now want
to test them.Daggers & fighters are built for stabbing &
killing.How will you test them?

The only poster who received his,had to have them sharpened.
Will you re-sharpen yours?
 
bvmjethead,

Thanks for posting the report on your new MercWorx knives. Since reading it and thinking about it for a while I have reviewed this thread from its start and am still unable to get a satisfactorily definitive sense of your presence and intent.

Considering the overall content and tenor of what you have posted I am compelled to go with my gut-feeling which is that you are either hopelessly naive and overenthusiastic or have some ulterior motive. You came unbidden into this matter as a rude and demanding, unknown quantity and aggressively pushed aside and attempted to override any question about MercWorx knives and related identity, quality and/or identification that arose and consistently adopted an, at the least, appologist position on any doubt that any of us dared express.

That is only my opinion. However, it is carefully considered and is the result of the impression made by the content and manner of presentation of your posts.

Your report continues sound to me like rather slick, professional grade guerrilla ad-copy.

"bvmjethead" should be read "bvmje THE AD".
 
Wray,

If you have read this thread from beginning to end you would see that time and time and time again I have only sought an opinion from someone who actually OWNED a MW product. Someone who had actually held the product in their hand, NOT just read an ad. 99% of the post's here on this thread are from people who have never even seen a MW knife in person, let alone used one.

You are right that I came here with a rather abrasive attitude. No question about it. I brought it here with me, because I had posted on several other sites and got a bunch of negative responses about MW again based on their ad campain. Nothing about the construction, finish, durability or quality of the actual knives.

I am NOT a knife expert by any stretch of my overactive imagination, nor have I ever claimed, alluded or suggested that I am. That is precisely why I came here looking for an honest opinion of a PRODUCT, NOT a critique of an ad campain. Hell, before today I owned a Buck hunting knife, and a couple of Swiss Army knives.

bvmje THE AD, ha ha ha ha that my friend is a good one. At this point I honestly can say I wish I was on somebodies payroll other than my own.

I know it seems like I'm fighting for MW, but the truth is I'm searching for the truth. I still have yet to feel like 99% of the post's here on this thread are anything other than personal attacks against the new and unknown manufacturer on the block. That's how I FEEL, notice I didn't claim that to be true, that's just my "gut feeling". Jimminey freaking Christmas will you guy's lighten up and just give these guy's a chance? I'm not asking you to buy their products, I'm just asking you not to slaughter their reputation based on some print ad's alone.

So what if their print ad's are geared toward mall ninja's? If they are producing a quality product what difference does the ad campaign make?

This brand loyalty runs deep. People are unwilling to step out of the ruts they get into. I see it all the time in my field. Guy's start out cutting grass with Dixie Chopper mowers and they're gonna die cutting grass on a D.C. mower. They will tell you it's the best thing since sliced bread and EVERY other mower on the market is junk next to a D.C. I started my business using Toro mowers. I love them. Do they work better than a D.C.? I dont know I've never used a D.C. Do my Toro's get the grass that I have to cut done in a manner where I can make a profit? Yes, does that mean I'm never going to try any other mower besides a Toro, I hope not. I just spent $11,500 on a Walker mower last fall. I love it to. It's a totally different mower though for totally different accounts.

Again, Anybody in the Tidewater Virginia area know a place where I can get a knife expertly sharpened? Thanks.
 
So what we have so far are two knives that look like they can do the job and come dull out of the box with one of them in consideration of being sold already. :rolleyes:

As far a rudeness, I have been on the internet since 1977 when baud rates above 300 were high through accustic couplers. I currently work in IT for a world wide company that has transactions numbered in the millions each day communicating with well over 400 people a week most of whom I have never met. I know rudeness and lack of common courtesey when I see it as well as foolishness too.


So what if their print ad's are geared toward mall ninja's? If they are producing a quality product what difference does the ad campaign make?
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uhh :D - It would logically follow that the mall ninja's are their target customers.
 
"Whatever
I'm done."

Quite profound.

Accounts can not be locked. Every once in a while the owner prunes inactive accounts
 
GREAT! We've PO'd one of the only two people in the world, that we know of, that own MW products. Now how are we going to get an objective users report on how great these might be as killing machines.
I'm bummed!
 
LOL, this guy came in here PO'ed.
 
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