military 2??

hank_rearden said:
what super steel (ex-s30v) would you want as a regular offering and how many of those are you willing to buy (at what price?)
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XHP seems to be a good compromise of toughness and edge retention. ELMAX (with the right heat treat of course) would also be pretty awesome. CTS-204P might be a good candidate. CPM M4 would be very nice for regular production steel, and fits the design philosophy perfectly. I don't think this would add much if any to the S30V price. The brown PM2 with S35VN was $140 new, and the CTS-204P PM2 was the same. If you factor in the color change, and the limited batches ran, that doesn't leave a lot of room to say the steel choice had a huge impact on the slightly higher price for those two over the regular production PM2's. I don't recall how much the XHP Mili was new, but not much more than a regular Mili iirc.

I for one would welcome a deviation from so much S30V, and it doesn't seem like having one of the Carpenter steels, or M4 really adds that much to the price. Second-hand it does, but not brand new.
 
JNewell said:
Negative, it will have the new Stop Lock. You might like it, though - it looks interesting, strong, durable and easy to use...
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It does look interesting. In fact the concept is very, very cool, IMHO. Pardon my ignorance, but am I correct in that it hasn't been implemented on any existing knives yet? Would love to see it in action...
 
A regular millie goes for around 170 euros here in Belgium ( i paid 150 for a 440v twelve years ago and 185 for a Dlc s30v last year)
I would be ready to pay 200-210 for m390 steel and i would buy two or three but i wouldnt do the guinea pig for the stop lock and thus i would wait a bit to see how it fares.
 
not really necessary, but I can see am argument for a four way clip and larger lanyard hole, even if tip up carry makes no sense on a knife this large. comp lock would ruin it IMO, I've heard of far more problems (not safety/failure related) with the para comp lock than I've hard of the military's liner lock. in fact, I don't think I've ever heard of a problem with the current lock, not that problems don't exist.

I agree that I think cpm m4 would be an extremely fitting steel choice, but with modern knife users not understanding the how's and why's of rust and patina, it might just do more harm than good, even though it's an extremely resistant and low maintenance steel. luckily,I already have a Millie in this steel ;) m390 or the cts equivalent could probably work well too.
 
SaintlyBrees said:
It does look interesting. In fact the concept is very, very cool, IMHO. Pardon my ignorance, but am I correct in that it hasn't been implemented on any existing knives yet? Would love to see it in action...
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No existing knife has it. Spyderco has surely made a few prototypes, but none has been seen by the public.
 
If they put a compression lock on the Military then I will hold my breath, lie down on the ground and kick my legs in the air.
You have been warned.
 
SaintlyBrees said:
It does look interesting. In fact the concept is very, very cool, IMHO. Pardon my ignorance, but am I correct in that it hasn't been implemented on any existing knives yet? Would love to see it in action...
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I think you're right. The patent drawings are interesting enough that I'm planning to buy one just for pure curiosity. :)
 
If it had a multi-position clip and a compression lock I'd already have at least two, as it stands I have no desire for the current model.

Be interesting to see if they do one, I know the military is a good seller, but look at the popularity of the PM2, it's been nuts since it came out. You make a larger version, and it's going to sell big time. Heck if they want to keep the military fine, make a PM XL, it was worth it with the Manix, and you know the a PM XL would sell huge.
 
goodeyesniper said:
not really necessary, but I can see am argument for a four way clip and larger lanyard hole, even if tip up carry makes no sense on a knife this large. comp lock would ruin it IMO, I've heard of far more problems (not safety/failure related) with the para comp lock than I've hard of the military's liner lock. in fact, I don't think I've ever heard of a problem with the current lock, not that problems don't exist.

I agree that I think cpm m4 would be an extremely fitting steel choice, but with modern knife users not understanding the how's and why's of rust and patina, it might just do more harm than good, even though it's an extremely resistant and low maintenance steel. luckily,I already have a Millie in this steel ;) m390 or the cts equivalent could probably work well too.
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What are the problems with the compression lock? I have a PM2 and a Yojimbo 2 and have never had or heard of any problems. The comp lock is my favorite lock thus far.
 
hank_rearden said:
both compression and liner lock can get jammed in the open position with dirt and sand.
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Is there a lock that couldn't get jammed in the open position with dirt and sand? If dirt and sand were a major issue, I would not want my mechanical folding knife exposed to that anyway, a fixed blade would be the answer. Also, if I were to have a malfunction this would be the one. I actually had my Sage 3 get jammed opened because I was putting a lot of downward force on it and the bolt traveled farther than normal. It was annoying and difficult to get it to close, but better than having it close and lose some fingers.

I would think it really has more to do with the knife design than the lock design. Every lock has at least one moving part, and if you block the path of the moving part from traveling one way or the other it will malfunction. About the only knife I know of that addresses this is the ZT MUDD. I know the pivot is completely sealed and I think the Hawk Lock is sealed as well. The design of the knife around the lock is how you fix that problem.
 
Another vote for compression lock. Just keep handles at existing thickness and not fat like PM. New pocket clip like on Endura 4 8r Manix 2 would be nice as well.
 
Andre said:
Another vote for compression lock. Just keep handles at existing thickness and not fat like PM. New pocket clip like on Endura 4 8r Manix 2 would be nice as well.
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Are the handles of the Military thinner than on the Para? That's kinda nice, I didn't know that.

BTW, I'd also like to know what problems anyone has with the compression lock (having difficulties closing it doesn't count, because any non arthritic person who has problems closing the compression lock is very likely doing it wrong). I've heard people complaining about sticky locks and getting pinched while opening, but those also sound like pretty marginal problems to me.
 
I don't want a compression lock. Don't get me wrong I love the lock, but it belongs to the Paramilitary series
 
Dr Heelhook said:
Are the handles of the Military thinner than on the Para? That's kinda nice, I didn't know that.

BTW, I'd also like to know what problems anyone has with the compression lock (having difficulties closing it doesn't count, because any non arthritic person who has problems closing the compression lock is very likely doing it wrong). I've heard people complaining about sticky locks and getting pinched while opening, but those also sound like pretty marginal problems to me.
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I have irreconcilable blade play on both my pm2 and yojimbo 2-vertical and horizontal. I own three millies and not one of them has blade play issues. I, personally, like the simpler/older lock designs: liner, frame, or mid/back.
 
Murdamook said:
I have irreconcilable blade play on both my pm2 and yojimbo 2-vertical and horizontal. I own three millies and not one of them has blade play issues. I, personally, like the simpler/older lock designs: liner, frame, or mid/back.
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In what way would horizontal blade play ever have anything to do with the lock?
 
Dr Heelhook said:
In what way would horizontal blade play ever have anything to do with the lock?
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I seem to have missed the part where I claimed the horizontal play had anything to do with the lock type. It's beautiful that you ascertained that from my statement. I simply said that I have both horizontal and vertical play. The vertical is being caused by lock slippage while the horizontal is being caused by the poorly produced bushing system.
 
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