Military carry in the Motherland.... Colorado!

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I'm blown away with the shear utility and just comfy size of the Military... I WANT TO CARRY IT!!! If you can, please help me out!

So, here is the law. I see where it defines a "knife" as being a cutting device of over 3.5", but I do not see an illegal length. I do see that it is illegal to carry a "knife" concealed, but that is it.. I have the pertinent part here and a link to the complete Law at the bottom...

Colorado - Criminal Code Section 18-12-101. Definitions...
(e) "Gravity knife" means any knife that has a blade
released from the handle or sheath thereof by the force of
gravity or the application of centrifugal force, that when
released is locked into place by means of a button,
spring, lever, or other device... (f) "Knife" means any
dagger, dirk, knife, or stiletto with a blade over 3-1/2
inches in length, or any other dangerous instrument
capable of inflicting cutting, stabbing, or tearing
wounds, but does not include a hunting or fishing knife
carried for sports use. The issue that a knife is a
hunting or fishing knife must be raised as an affirmative
defense. (j) "Switchblade knife" means any knife, the
blade of which opens automatically by hand pressure
applied to a button, spring, or other device in its
handle... (a.3) "Ballistic knife" means any knife that has
a blade which is forcefully projected from the handle by
means of a spring-loaded device or explosive charge.


- 18-12-102. Possessing a dangerous or illegal weapon - affirmative defense.
(1) As used in this section, the term "dangerous weapon" means a firearm silencer, machine gun, short shotgun, short rifle, or ballistic knife.
(2) As used in this section, the term "illegal weapon" means a blackjack, gas gun, metallic knuckles, gravity knife, or switchblade knife.
(3) A person who knowingly possesses a dangerous weapon commits a class 5 felony. Each subsequent violation of this subsection (3) by the same person shall be a class 4 felony.
(4) A person who knowingly possesses an illegal weapon commits a class 1 misdemeanor.
(5) It shall be an affirmative defense to the charge of possessing a dangerous weapon, or to the charge of possessing an illegal weapon, that the person so accused was a peace officer or member of the armed forces of the United States or Colorado National Guard acting in the lawful discharge of his duties, or that said person has a valid permit and license for possession of such weapon.

- 18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons.

(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully:
(a) Carries a knife concealed on or about his or her person; or
(b) Carries a firearm concealed on or about his or her person; or
(c) Without legal authority, carries, brings, or has in such person's possession a firearm or any explosive, incendiary, or other dangerous device on the property of or within any building in which the chambers, galleries, or offices of the general assembly, or either house thereof, are located, or in which a legislative hearing or meeting is being or is to be conducted, or in which the official office of any member, officer, or employee of the general assembly is located.
(d) (Deleted 1993.)
(2) It shall not be an offense if the defendant was:
(a) A person in his or her own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under his or her control at the time of the act of carrying; or
(b) A person in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who carries a weapon for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling; or
(c) A person who, at the time of carrying a concealed weapon, held a valid written permit to carry a concealed weapon issued pursuant to section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or, if the weapon involved was a handgun, held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the provisions of section 18-12-214; or
(d) A peace officer, as described in section 16-2.5-101, C.R.S., when carrying a weapon in conformance with the policy of the employing agency as provided in section 16-2.5-101 (2), C.R.S.; or
(e) (Deleted 2003.)
(f) A United States probation officer or a United States pretrial services officer while on duty and serving in the state of Colorado under the authority of rules and regulations promulgated by the judicial conference of the United States.


http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/co.txt

Thanks Fellas!!
 
Ive wondered about this as well as I have a CCW and access to a few folders over 3.5inches and an auto or two and was wondering if my CCW covered them (I dont think it does).. Im pretty sure it would put my CCW in jeopardy If I got caught, which is why all Ive been carrying as of late is my CQC-14 and my Native. I really need to call the Sherrif's department..
 
- 18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons.

(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully:
(a) Carries a knife concealed on or about his or her person; or
(b) Carries a firearm concealed on or about his or her person; or

That means that if you carry unlawfully a knife (over 3.5 inches) you can be charged with a class 2 misdemeanor.

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I think. ;)
 
at least in VA the CCW permit if for PISTOLS ONLY. i asked two police officers how to go about getting a permit to carry my knife and they said they had been wondering the same thing for years and never found anything out... go figure.
 
It also says "does not include a hunting of fishing knife carried for sports use. The issue.... must be raised as an affirmitive defence." 18-12-101-f
 
It also says "does not include a hunting of fishing knife carried for sports use. The issue.... must be raised as an affirmitive defence." 18-12-101-f

This is not an out. It means you must provide an explanation or justification. If you were not hunting or fishing then it seems it would be hard to justify, especially in a bar or shopping mall after sunset.
 
The only place I see "unlawful" and "knife" (meaning over 3.5") is associated with "concealed."
 
I'm not sure how, with a clip and 3/4" of knife handle sticking out, it could be considered concealed.
 
This is in californis but may apply in texas as well. Generally speaking if your carrying your knife cliped in your pocket then its not considered concealed. Just be careful about wearing long coats


The other thing you have to think about is how often your stoped and searched by cops...
 
I carry my Milie or my Composite JYDII everyday. The one officer I met didn't have a problem with it. Neither did my older brother, a Cpt Texas State Trooper. They say its ok, so I carry them.
 
I'm not sure how, with a clip and 3/4" of knife handle sticking out, it could be considered concealed.

This is the issue right here. I live in CO, and the LEO's I've spoken to (city cops, and Sherriff's dept) have mixed opinions on this. Some say it's not concealed as long as the clip is somewhat visible, but others say a certain amount of the knife itself must be visible before it's not considered concealed (i.e. the clip doesn't count). The upshot is, the code seems deliberately nebulous, so the officer has some discretion in deciding what is concealed or not. My experience with LEO's in this state, and knives, is don't act like a mall-ninja jerkoff flipping your knife in peoples faces, and you won't get hassled. I wouldn't want to be facing a jury in CO trying to justify the use of a knife like that in a case of SD, though.
 
If I ever used my knife in SD, it would be as a kukaton... and that'd be if I was on the ground getting choked out or something... All things considered, I'm a a discreet dude.. I try not to be a mall ninja jerkoff, and am well aware that someone might be offended by even my UKPK.. The last thing I would do is take the Mil out unnecessarily.. but if I'm at the post office sorting through mail, I might take it out to open a package. When I'm at work, I would definitely take it out for use. The upside is that I'm 6'5", so if really does not look toooo big as long as I keep my hand on the handle... The handle is one thing that makes this knife look soooo big. I really like it! This knife feels more "sure handed" than any other knife I've owned. I think part of it is the "tip down" carry.. There's just less fumbling. The ease of use with gloves is also great!... But if you're wearing gloves, the last thing usually on your mind is keeping your pocket knife visible... Who knows... At least I camp a LOT, so that could be a good "reason" to carry.. I wonder if Skiing would classify as being out in the backcountry enough... If you were walking to/in the same place I reckon it would be ok... hmmmm..?
 
I tried to edit my post but did something wrong. I wanted to include that when I move to a new city or state it is usually pretty easy to find an attourney that gives a free consultation and they fill me in on what the regs are.
 
All things considered, I'm a a discreet dude.. I try not to be a mall ninja jerkoff, and am well aware that someone might be offended by even my UKPK.. The last thing I would do is take the Mil out unnecessarily..

LOL! Dude, I hope you know I wasn't implying you were a mall-ninja jerkoff:D I think we both know the kind of person to whom I refer. I hear exactly what you're saying, though, and I don't think in regular use (especially since you're a big guy), you will attract much notice with the Military. Of course, my rule of thumb for EDC knives is: only carry what you don't mind being taken away from you. That's a reason why I don't carry a Sebenza. So rock on with the Millie. It's a fantastic knife. I have been carrying it's little bro, the Para, and am loving it! Now, if the Millie only had a tip up clip, and compression lock, I'd be in love!
 
It all boils down to the cop who catches you. :)

Excellent point.

When I visited Colorado, I carried my S30V/G10 SE Military while in full Boy Scout regalia en route to the Philmont Scout Ranch. I could hardly imagine being charged with a class 2 misdemeanor for being prepared.
 
^ +1 It's surprising how much cops will let you get away with when your wearing the BSA uniform. :)
 
we're getting off track.. ILLEGAL or NOT illegal? I think not.. as long as it is not concealed. If you think an over 3.5" knife is Illegal, please let me know HOW you interpret it. I just don't see it... also there are other "loop holes" because the law is so poorly written... the definition of a "knife" is an over 3.5" blade... so would a switchblade with a sub 3.5" blade NOT be considered a "knife" as the term "switchblade knife" includes the word "knife." ...or does this use of the word "knife" have its own undefined meaning including a blade UNDER 3.5???" ...ummmm don't answer that... let's stick to the point... Military legal or illegal in CO???
 
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