Military Knife Forum?

BladeScout said:
I take it you didnt bother reading the thread I referred to:D
A 'burn it with fire!!' comment was just one post in reaction to a HJ youth organisation knife with the diamond swastika handle insert.
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Someone will always try to play the troll. Clearly, any kind of historical forum will have to deal with history, including the good, bad and occasionally politically incorrect. But, that is the nature of things and we should be able to review the facts without getting into the politics. The objective would be to try to understand/discover what happened; and, not to pass judgement on those events. Political digression, as we do in other sub-forums, would still be redirected to the Political Forums.

n2s
 
not2sharp said:
Someone will always try to play the troll. Clearly, any kind of historical forum will have to deal with history, including the good, bad and occasionally politically incorrect. But, that is the nature of things and we should be able to review the facts without getting into the politics. The objective would be to try to understand/discover what happened; and, not to pass judgement on those events. Political digression, as we do in other sub-forums, would still be redirected to the Political Forums.

n2s
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I agree.
 
BladeScout said:
I take it you didnt bother reading the thread I referred to:D
A 'burn it with fire!!' comment was just one post in reaction to a HJ youth organisation knife with the diamond swastika handle insert.
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Did, but didn't need to. Your words tell all there is to tell. It's unfortunate that some may not agree with or even understand the loathing many have for icons of the Third Reich. The young must often be reminded of what it symbolized.
 
BladeScout said:
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Not that there is anything wrong with that but there will be some Third Reich blades posted and MODs will have to deal with the inevitable hysterical PC outbreaks of forum members in foetal positions hugging their knees and general derailing of threads.
Just look at the latest reactions to a German WWII knife and youll see what I mean.
You have to read some of the comments supposedly from adults to believe them.
Nope, aint nobody got time for that.
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Exactly. Who needs name calling, right?
 
Night Rider said:
It would make for. Much better read when you don’t get side tracked by some guy asking about a K Bar he bought from Wally Mart.
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Out of curiosity, why would that not be appropriate content for the proposed subforum? Are you proposing that only vintage issued knives be discussed?
 
marcinek said:
Out of curiosity, why would that not be appropriate content for the proposed subforum? Are you proposing that only vintage issued knives be discussed?
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It is not inappropriate content for such a sub-forum. But, it may not be appropriate to the subject of a specific thread. It is a common problem that rises when military items are addressed on random threads. Someone wants to learn about US Springfield Bayonet, and the thread gets diverted by others who would like to discuss unrelated items. Obviously, those later participants are just trying to get the attention of those with an interest in military history, but lacking an appropriate mechanism for that, they tend to derail the initial discussion. If we had a military sub-forums then all of these items could be discussed under their own threads and those with an interest would know where to go to find and discuss these subjects.

n2s
 
GronK said:
Did, but didn't need to. Your words tell all there is to tell. It's unfortunate that some may not agree with or even understand the loathing many have for icons of the Third Reich. The young must often be reminded of what it symbolized.
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That has absolutely NOTHING to do with my point.
1. I have nothing against a MIL thread per se. (Obviously not, that would kind of silly with all the vintage and modern MIL knives and bayonets I have and with my background as a professional soldier).
2. What I have a problem with is the PC kneejerk reflex of some people. Comments like "Destroy it!!!Burn it" is over the top and prevents any rational debate of a historical item - no matter whether it be it US or German.
Your posts proves my point just fine, thank you. What you are saying, is that you will condemn a WWII German knife in an upcoming MIL knife thread and huff and puff, if one such item is posted in potential thread dedicated to military knives.

So it is to be a MIL knife thread of US knives only …. or are German knives the only ones to be excluded (which would be silly, since Solingen was pretty much the center of German knifemaking many decades before an ugly little Austrian fellow reared his ugly head)?
Honest question.

Further more, to address your post although what you say is neither here nor there in regards to my POV.
Come one. Everybody knows the good guys won the war and the bad guys lost.

History should be taught and discussed, objects from both sides of the conflict should be debated on equal footing EXACTLY because we need to shine a light on what happened and prevent something like it happening again.
Doing away with items because of PC is sending a wrong signal and erasing items from history is a segway for the neo idiots to emerge again because eventually what happened will be forgotten by generations of younger people. Few can fathom the horror of what happened, if you erase history and only spurt PC.

Ive travelled to several of the major Allied cemeteries in France. Seeing US crosses stretching seemingly to the horizon is food for thought and very nearly brings one to tears. Sadly few or fewer today gives a rats ass. Needless to say, its not something which should be repeated.
 
There's a fine line between recognizing the historical significance of a talisman from a genocide and celebrating or encouraging Nazi's or fans of the KKK.

I prefer to err on the side of caution when it comes to war trophies. Most of the folks who took those trophies don't feel any need to talk about what they mean on the net. Most museums who hold and display them don't need to ask what they've got. In the rare case when someone comes across something they can put their question in the Bernard Levin sub to see what they've got.

I wouldn't suggest putting a green mod in the driver's seat in a spot that has the potential to breed like an infection. It would have to be someone for lack of a better term who would show no mercy.
 
BladeScout said:
That has absolutely NOTHING to do with my point.
1. I have nothing against a MIL thread per se. (Obviously not, that would kind of silly with all the vintage and modern MIL knives and bayonets I have and with my background as a professional soldier).
2. What I have a problem with is the PC kneejerk reflex of some people. Comments like "Destroy it!!!Burn it" is over the top and prevents any rational debate of a historical item - no matter whether it be it US or German.
Your posts proves my point just fine, thank you. What you are saying, is that you will condemn a WWII German knife in an upcoming MIL knife thread and huff and puff, if one such item is posted in potential thread dedicated to military knives.

So it is to be a MIL knife thread of US knives only …. or are German knives the only ones to be excluded (which would be silly, since Solingen was pretty much the center of German knifemaking many decades before an ugly little Austrian fellow reared his ugly head)?
Honest question.

Further more, to address your post although what you say is neither here nor there in regards to my POV.
Come one. Everybody knows the good guys won the war and the bad guys lost.

History should be taught and discussed, objects from both sides of the conflict should be debated on equal footing EXACTLY because we need to shine a light on what happened and prevent something like it happening again.
Doing away with items because of PC is sending a wrong signal and erasing items from history is a segway for the neo idiots to emerge again because eventually what happened will be forgotten by generations of younger people. Few can fathom the horror of what happened, if you erase history and only spurt PC.

Ive travelled to several of the major Allied cemeteries in France. Seeing US crosses stretching seemingly to the horizon is food for thought and very nearly brings one to tears. Sadly few or fewer today gives a rats ass. Needless to say, its not something which should be repeated.
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To be clear, I am not for or against a military knife forum nor the inclusion or exclusion of one or another country's knives. I am, however strongly against politicizing an already dividing subject with terminology like, "forum members in foetal positions hugging their knees". Better you should respond in a calm, rational manner. . . . like I'm doing. Trust me, I can be the worst firebrand around in a political discussion (ask the boys over in the Pol forum o_O ) but even I know better than to incite with those kind of words.

Thank you for your service. I also served, including four years in SEA back in the good old days. My mil knives were an Air Force survival knife and a Randall given me by a friend of the family.
 
marcinek said:
Exactly. Who needs name calling, right?
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Yes. I should have said, that I hoped we could have a rational debate about knives and avoid emotional outburst in an upcoming MIL thread and left it at that.

At least I didnt call the posts of others 'drivel' ….. or run to W&C and call someone a nazi defender. I mean, the latter would be infantile and something only a troll would do, right Marcie?:D;)
 
Danke42 said:
There's a fine line between recognizing the historical significance of a talisman from a genocide and celebrating or encouraging Nazi's or fans of the KKK.

I prefer to err on the side of caution when it comes to war trophies. Most of the folks who took those trophies don't feel any need to talk about what they mean on the net. Most museums who hold and display them don't need to ask what they've got. In the rare case when someone comes across something they can put their question in the Bernard Levin sub to see what they've got.

I wouldn't suggest putting a green mod in the driver's seat in a spot that has the potential to breed like an infection. It would have to be someone for lack of a better term who would show no mercy.
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Well stated.
And that fine line could be a make it or break it for content in a MIL thread.
Which items should be excluded - if any?
Is the current situation better, where we only occasionally/rarely have WWII German knives popping up with the ensuing 'bruhaha' (since we dont have a dedicated MIL thread which attract many with a vested interest).
As you say, it certainly should be a MOD worth his mettle at the helm.
 
BladeScout said:
Yes. I should have said, that I hoped we could have a rational debate about knives and avoid emotional outburst in an upcoming MIL thread and left it at that.
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OK. You think peoples' reaction to Nazism is an "irrational emotional outburst."

Enjoy your knives and discussion.
 
GronK said:
To be clear, I am not for or against a military knife forum nor the inclusion or exclusion of one or another country's knives. I am, however strongly against politicizing an already dividing subject with terminology like, "forum members in foetal positions hugging their knees". Better you should respond in a calm, rational manner. . . . like I'm doing. Trust me, I can be the worst firebrand around in a political discussion (ask the boys over in the Pol forum o_O ) but even I know better than to incite with those kind of words.
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Got ya. We are on the same page sorta;)
I could say, that I find your the use of the word 'drivel' just as offensive but you are right; I used the wrong words and I shouldnt have done that.
Let me rephrase it; I fear, there will emotional outbursts since the thread obviously will attract more people showing off all kinds of MIL knives from all over the World.
Im obviously not against a MIL thread but ohh boy, will a MOD have his work cut out for him/her.

What is your solution to the conundrum; Should 1933-1945 German blades be excluded, since you dont care for the symbols of that era?

GronK said:
Thank you for your service. I also served, including four years in SEA back in the good old days. My mil knives were an Air Force survival knife and a Randall given me by a friend of the family.
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Thank you and likewise.
I have a beat up old Jet Pilots Survival Knife. Sadly not a gift from a family friend.
Its an ugly brute with a charm of its own:D​
 
marcinek said:
OK. You think peoples' reaction to Nazism is an "irrational emotional outburst."

Enjoy your knives and discussion.
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marcinek, you are skirting slander in open forum. You stepped over the line here and you are outright lying.

You now invent things out of thin blue air.
- I have said, that I dont like political correctness (i.e. people yelling for the destruction of knives in threads).
- I havent used the word 'irrational' in this thread.

Having had the closest family involved in the fight against the Germans and having had their friends harmed/killed by nazis back in WWII, I dont appreciate you slandering me. This hits especially close as just a few days ago a near and dear family friend died. He was a civilian drawn into the conflict and hurt horribly by the memory of the things he did and the people he killed. It marked not only his life but those of his family and friends.

I have of course not defended nazism nor attacked peoples critique of the nazi movement as an 'irrational emotional outburst. That would be insane.

Ive hitherto never reported a single forum member (except for SPAM) and Ill give you a chance to delete your post and apologize.
 
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