Toooj -
Thank you very much in advance for all of your information and clarification (I'm kinda slow at times).
Sorry, I am really trying to understand this timeline (in regards to Only the SRK and Only the Carbon V steel used by Cold Steel). Most of us (I believe) thought only Camillus made Carbon V for Cold Steel.
Just a little clarification to your (and Mike Stewart's) below timeline which was copied from another posting.
Please see questions below - some of this is obvious, but I just really want to make sure - thank you.
Here is the correct time line:
1) Cold Steel Carbon V was first produced in the Alcas Factory (Cutco and KA-BAR) Mid 1980s, Carbon V was originally 1095CV/0170-06/50100B.
A.) Cold Steel's Carbon V was produced by the Alcas Factory in the Mid 1980's ?
B.) Cold Steel's Carbon V steel composition in the mid 1980's was "1095CV/0170-06/50100B" ?
C.) Both Cutco and Ka-Bar used this same exact steel composition ?
2) Cold Steel moved to Ontario early 1990s. Carbon V started out as 1095CV/0170-06/50100B but while at Ontario, Dan Maragni removed the small amount of nickel from the formula.
A.) Cold Steel had the Ontario Factory (is this the - Ontario Knife Company OKC ?) make Carbon V in the early 1990's ?
B.) Carbon V was composition "1095CV/0170-06/50100B" in the 1980's. Then in the 1990's (do you know the exact year ?) all the nickel was removed - now became composition is "0170-06" ?
3) Cold Steel moved to Camillus approx. 1995. Carbon V stayed 0170-06 minus the nickel.
A.) 1995 approx. Cold Steel's Carbon V is now composition "0170-06" which has no nickel, being produced by Camillus - so there are ( 2 ) versions of Cold Steel's Carbon V, produced at ( 3 ) different factories ?
- - - - "1095CV/0170-06/50100B" - Alcas Factory
- - - - - "0170-06" minus [all] the nickel - Ontario Factory and the Camillus Factory
Maybe you can also clarify some of Mike Stewart's info (copied from a different post) ?
Please see questions below -
CV--Chorme Vanadium Steel and Carbon V are all the very same steel. It had been made by the hundreds of tons for many years and used by ALL the major Knife Companies for Decade.
It is 0170-6 cutlery Steel...It was developed in the 1950's by Sharon Steel specifically for Knives.
It is an enhanced 1095. They added Nickel--Chromium and a trace of Vanadium. it was a patented steel of Sharon Steel.
A.) Cold Steel's version in the 1990's is - "0170-06" minus [all] the nickel - produced by the Ontario Factory and the Camillus Factory - So slightly different than all of the other companies mentioned by Mike Stweart ?
This was the original Steel chosen by both Lynn Thomson for his Trailmaster and me for the Old Mamba. We all used it until 1988.
Sharon Steel went Bankrupt in 1988. None of us could get it and no other mill would duplicate it because the patent was still in effect. We all switched to other steels.
B.) Alcas Factory (Unmodified) and the Ontario Factory used Sharon Steel (modified as described Above) ?
A couple of years ago Case and Camillus Found a mill that would duplicate the Chemistry and they ordered a heat lot--+/_ 100,000 lbs.
C.) Camillus did not use Sharon Steel in approximately 1995 as this was a new order/heat lot (do you know the mill Camillus used) ?
Case had their portion of the heat lot rolled to pocket knife sizes and Camillius had their portion rolled to use for Lynn on his U.S. made knives and the Becker line.
D.) During this time period Case, Becker and Cold Steel were selling the same composition steel, "0170-06" minus [all] the nickel. Cold Steel called it "Carbon V" ?
Thank you So much ! I'm sure I am not the only person interested in this information and clarifications.