minimalist Izula

I just don't see where you are basing this price in your head. It's not just a peice of junk steel stamped out and hit with some krylon.

I guess were all confused because the izula is already a great deal and a minimalist knife.

The sto k sheath doesn't look pleasing to the eye, but I carried the knife in one for almost six months without issue. The price is more than fair enough, and i don't think there's a huge waste of money on the sheath. If it's too much, there are other knives
 
I have seen sheaths advertised at $16 and change so if I can buy one for $5 assuming I would want to who's selling at these prices? The prices for these knives as is the case for all easily obtainable mass produced items is all over the board but lets take $45 as an average.Back out the sheath at $16 retail and that leaves us with a knife valued at $29 retail. So if we are to use these numbers which are approximate the cost of the sheath represents over 35%of the total purchase price. I realize that many like the factory sheath and the carry options it provides. To me its a worthless piece of plastic that adds to the cost of a mass produced knife. I wont use it anymore then I will use the pieces that come with the optional kit which thankfully is an optional purchase. Kinda like the optional scales. Some like to wrap the knife, some leave it as is, me I like the scales but if you don't like or want the scales and are going to remove them any way why pay the additional freight. Your choice.
As far as having a sheath for each knife-why? I store my fix blades in my gun cabinet unsheathed so if I have a couple three Izulas in there and pull one out to use in the custom made sheath that I like whats the difference? I'm not advocating carrying the knives around unsheathed. I suppose its my perception of the knife as a handy do it all little blade that you can customize the way you want. Want the kit okay buy the kit. want scales okay buy the scales, want another plastic sheath you wont use well you get the idea. Just saying it would be nice to have a choice.
 
sachmo7 said:
...want another plastic sheath you wont use well you get the idea. Just saying it would be nice to have a choice.
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I think we understand, I think you underestimate the mass production plastic injection molded pricing.

What the sheath sells at alone says much more about the sellers, taxes, overhead, stocking (warehouse) taxes, and mark-up than you are accounting for. (though i have never seen an official ESEE sheath sell alone, thats maybe just me) ESEE's profit margin plays very little in that. I don't think it can get more clear than that, the money you want to save just isn't there in the product itself.
 
Your taking the knife at street price and the sheath price at retail. How about talking apples to apples and using the Izula's retail price in your equation?
 
sachmo7 said:
I have seen sheaths advertised at $16 and change so if I can buy one for $5 assuming I would want to who's selling at these prices? The prices for these knives as is the case for all easily obtainable mass produced items is all over the board but lets take $45 as an average.Back out the sheath at $16 retail and that leaves us with a knife valued at $29 retail. So if we are to use these numbers which are approximate the cost of the sheath represents over 35%of the total purchase price. I realize that many like the factory sheath and the carry options it provides. To me its a worthless piece of plastic that adds to the cost of a mass produced knife. I wont use it anymore then I will use the pieces that come with the optional kit which thankfully is an optional purchase. Kinda like the optional scales. Some like to wrap the knife, some leave it as is, me I like the scales but if you don't like or want the scales and are going to remove them any way why pay the additional freight. Your choice.
As far as having a sheath for each knife-why? I store my fix blades in my gun cabinet unsheathed so if I have a couple three Izulas in there and pull one out to use in the custom made sheath that I like whats the difference? I'm not advocating carrying the knives around unsheathed. I suppose its my perception of the knife as a handy do it all little blade that you can customize the way you want. Want the kit okay buy the kit. want scales okay buy the scales, want another plastic sheath you wont use well you get the idea. Just saying it would be nice to have a choice.
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I think the sheath probably sells for more alone than it is worth when together with the knife.
 
Guys and gals, it's official. This is not a topic that we're going to make any headway on. I say we collectively throw in the towel. If telling sachmo he's right means that we can move on, fine with me. You're completely correct and you should be running the company. Now just sit back and wait for Jeff to call shortly to sign all the rights over to you. Go sit by the phone. It'll just be a minute or two.
 
I am not a huge fan of the sheath either, but I consider it part of the deal and don't complain. I am already getting an awesome knife for $45 and a free sheath so why bother?

But I am on the lookout for a new sheath for my Izula. *Hint*Hint* to you sheath makers out there.
 
roar-k said:
I am not a huge fan of the sheath either, but I consider it part of the deal and don't complain. I am already getting an awesome knife for $45 and a free sheath so why bother?

But I am on the lookout for a new sheath for my Izula. *Hint*Hint* to you sheath makers out there.
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Hit up Hoopster, Mr.Shotgunner11, Kiah... That's all I can think of right now. There's a bunch of dudes out there making good Izula sheaths.
 
I don't remember were I saw the sheath pricing and since prices for this knife are so variable its hard to establish a true market value. But how much do you think it actually costs to manufacture this thing? Lets face it 1095 even with the secret heat treat lovingly applied to every blade is hardly some uber expensive secret steel. There isn't a nice polish to the blade its painted and when you use it it rubs off. There isn't some nicely engineered locking mechanism, its a skeletonized hunk of steel with a flat grind that people seem to like to convert to a convex grind for maximum utility. To me this is $30 knife at most and even at that price the manufacturer is making a profit which he should. I actually like this knife so far and when I get done elk hunting this year I suspect I will like it even more if it preforms up to the hype.
 
sachmo7 said:
I don't remember were I saw the sheath pricing and since prices for this knife are so variable its hard to establish a true market value. But how much do you think it actually costs to manufacture this thing? Lets face it 1095 even with the secret heat treat lovingly applied to every blade is hardly some uber expensive secret steel. There isn't a nice polish to the blade its painted and when you use it it rubs off. There isn't some nicely engineered locking mechanism, its a skeletonized hunk of steel with a flat grind that people seem to like to convert to a convex grind for maximum utility. To me this is $30 knife at most and even at that price the manufacturer is making a profit which he should. I actually like this knife so far and when I get done elk hunting this year I suspect I will like it even more if it preforms up to the hype.
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You're totally right. The company is yours. Like I said, go wait by the phone. I just talked to Jeff, Mike and Shon, the transfer of property to you is a greenlight. Go to the phone. You don't want to miss the call!
 
sachmo7 said:
I have seen sheaths advertised at $16 and change so if I can buy one for $5 assuming I would want to who's selling at these prices? The prices for these knives as is the case for all easily obtainable mass produced items is all over the board but lets take $45 as an average.Back out the sheath at $16 retail and that leaves us with a knife valued at $29 retail. So if we are to use these numbers which are approximate the cost of the sheath represents over 35%of the total purchase price. I realize that many like the factory sheath and the carry options it provides. To me its a worthless piece of plastic that adds to the cost of a mass produced knife. I wont use it anymore then I will use the pieces that come with the optional kit which thankfully is an optional purchase. Kinda like the optional scales. Some like to wrap the knife, some leave it as is, me I like the scales but if you don't like or want the scales and are going to remove them any way why pay the additional freight. Your choice.
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Lets try comparing apples to apples.
you say you can find a hand made custom kydex sheath for the Izula for $16. That's a great deal. jump on it - I haven't seen any that cheap.
MSRP for an Izula is $81.08. $81-$16 = $65, not $25.

This is not a $16 piece of plastic. It may cost them $5 to make, it may only cost $1.50 to make - but it would cost the same amount in time and labor for packaging if it were only a cardboard edge protector. Shipping in a fixed rate container does not cost any more with or without the sheath. Especially if you're ordering from a company that offers free shipping.

online retailers have it at the $45-55 price point, shipped in an "injection molded, mass produced, good enough to keep it from being damaged in transit" sheath. If you don't like the sheath, throw it away or post it on the exchange - see if you can get your $16 out of it that way.

Even if a dealer were to sell you half a dozen knives with no sheath, you'd still be paying $45-$55 each. If you want to spend less, set up a dealer account with ESEE - then you can buy everything at dealer cost. (which is still more than $25 per knife)

If you think all neck knives are worth only $25-$29, you have literally dozens of other products to choose from. Buy one of those.
 
You're totally right. The company is yours. Like I said, go wait by the phone. I just talked to Jeff, Mike and Shon, the transfer of property to you is a greenlight. Go to the phone. You don't want to miss the call!
__________________Sorry didn't mean to offend you I know it can be tough when you try to defend your religion after all Jesus died on the cross for us didn't he. Whats that -gotta go now phones ringing.
 
the only place i've seen the sheath for sale was on the ESEE site, with a retail of 15$...
the izula with sheath on the site runs 81 and change...



KSF has a nice bit of leather for the izula. if you bought it and the knife, you'd be paying just a hair over MSRP. and you'd have two sheaths. (with great customer service)
 
This is my last post on this subject since it appears I have offended the sensibilities of some and a few posters have decided to take this to personal level over what really amounts to a pretty trivial subject. I am not opposed to spending money to get what I want in fact I have been considering one of Murry Carters neck knives and if some of you say your crazy for spending that kind of money I will concede, no argument. I also don't mind spending $25-$30 for a Kydex sheath but enough of that. Anyway gotta go now the phones ringing might be that call from RAT
 
otis williams said:
is it just me, or are the trolls spawning early this year?
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I believe you are correct there.

The sheath may not be great, but the knife likely wouldn't change price, or if it did not that much without a sheath. It is already inexpensive as it is, if you want cheaper, maybe ESEE knives are not for you.
 
The only sensibility that has been offended here is sensibility itself.
 
Sachmo don't be bringing Jesus into this k troll? You only posted that cause I posted bout it in the open discus. You trolls gotta come up with better stuff.
 
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