Mission Knives: "Toughest knives on the planet"?

They make their blades out of titanium...so, I'm not sure. You could probably test their claim by taking a Mission combat knife and seeing if you could chop up a Battle Mistress with it. ;)
 
Don,

Actually, they make them out of Ti or A-2, both of which are supposedly very tough indeed.
Why they may not be able to actually chop up a Busse, I would be very interested in seeing a comparative review.

KWM,
Why do you doubt it?
 
Busse once used A2...now they use INFI...because A2 is tougher? As for titanium...IMO it's fine for frames (the CRKT S-2 is a good example) because of its light weight; also makes nice watch bands and cases.
 
Don,

You get no arguments from me on the subject of Busse toughness, but I would still like to see a comparative review betwixt the two.

From what I have read, Ti has a lot to recommend it over steel, the least of which is the "no magnetic signature" benefit.

The only drawback that I can see is the low RC at around 45, which would simply mean having to sharpen it a bit more frequently than a steel blade.
 
Everyone Knows that COLD STEEL makes...um contracts... the toughest bestest, most unbreakable, sharpests, cutting the mostest, blades in the world.

And Emerson has the Number 1 hard use blades on the planet! (but me thinks they number 10)

Ti doesnt sound like a great blade material though, sure its not as hard as steel, and it's not as strong as steel (per volume), and it tends to fail if it gets nicked, and it is much more expensive, and it is harder to hold tolerences in, But it is lighter and it is more corosion resistant, but i could also use 420J2, and have a blade that is oh so much cheaper very corosion resistant and could out cut Ti anyday, and of corse there is always Talonite and Stelite 6k, and for no magnetic signature there is always ceramics and plastics.

on the subject of A2, yes it's tough, but it sure isnt that hard-i would take S30 over it, ever look at whats in A2? its iron and Carbon and little else.

But i think that mission is pretty cool cause they can really get that Ti hard, even though it really doesnt want to be, now if they were really hardcore they would use Titanium silica carbide (a metal matrix composit).
 
420J2? Why that's cheap **** that wouldn't cut butter. I'd rather spend 10 or 20 times more for one o' them space-age, magical Ti knives. You know they can cut through rocks in one blow! And once there was this guy who had a gun and pointed the gun at a guy and the guy that the gun was pointed at had a titanium knife and he cut the guy holding the gun and it went through the gun and straight through the guys head and then cut into the brick wall behind him!!!
 
I have a Mission MPK-TI, and a Busse Battle Mistress, in reference to the above, I am confident I could chop the MPK in half with the Busse, though this would leave the edge on the Busse in sad shape. This, while entertaining, just shows the difference in RC, and there is more blades than that one aspect.

Mission's Ti is very durable, its only real weakness is the low RC which means that the edge will impact much more readily than steel blades of similar prices which are usually ~15 RC points harder. The Ti is a lot more flexible than many steels though, and has a high impact toughness. It is also very corrosion resistant, basically immune under normal conditions.

Ti is also very light which means you can have the stock thickness 1/4", and yet the blade is very light and thus easy to carry and use, for people who are concerned about weight. The thickness also gives you a lot of prying strength, more so than many knives with similar hefts.

Mission also uses an excellent handle material, which fully encloses the grip. The texture is also decently aggressive, and the handle well shaped.

I made some comments about the MPK-Ti awhile ago :

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=184219

I'll eventually get around do doing the second part. Any specific questions just ask.

Are they they toughest knives on the planet? Well HI offers 8-9 lbs khukuris that are one inch thick, differentially tempered spring steel. They pretty much have that position locked up. However if you go by weight, then Mission will score very high indeed.

The serrations, by the way are also a strong point. They cut very aggressively, but don't catch and hang up like a lot of patterns, and can actually chop and push cut decently well. Though you are better off using the straight edge part for both of those activities.

-Cliff
 
If its a well made knife and has an excellent heat treat, it couldnt help but out cut Ti. The problem is knife like that dont exist since people that use 420J2 usually dont give a poop how well they cut.
 
Mission also uses an excellent handle material, which fully encloses the grip. The texture is also decently aggressive, and the handle well shaped
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Hytrel-good move on their part not to use it's "other name" i dont know how the kevlar is integrated into the handle, anyone else know what Hytrel's other name is? :)
 
What is the definition of tough?

1. Has anyone ever seen a broken MPK?
2. How many knives can sit under seawater for many years and look brand new?
3. How many knives can withstand subarctic conditions even up to the climate of Mars?
4. How many knives can withstand being run over by a tank?
5. How many knives are non magnetic, and dont tell me talonite or stainless?
6. How many knives have the above properties and are still a very high quality spring material?
7. How many steel knives withstand bacteria attack?
8. How many knives can be field sharpened with a rock?

Missions knives are all of this. It sounds tough to me with all these properties and more. And dont forget they are almost half the weight of steel.
 
LK, I was being sacrastic. I am incredibly disgusted by the recent trend toward blade snobery. It's not hard to find someone here on the blade forums who will not buy a knife with an AUS-8 blade because it doesn't perform well enough for them but will go out and get a dozen titanium knives. Do they work better? Noooo. They just cost more and are the new hot thing.

I for one am fine with almost any steel and will not delude myself into thinking that just because Ti is more expensive, that it works better.
 
I'm pretty sure "The Toughest Knives On The Planet" is a trademarked term... like Emerson being the "#1 Hard Use Knives in the World" or something along those lines.
It's simple marketing BS and means absolutely nothing, i'll put my Spyderco Chinook up against any and all Emersons any day of the week and see which survives, my money is on the Chinook.
As for the whoopity dooo Mission Knives, i'll put my Becker Combat/Utility 7 up against em and see who wins, my money is on the Becker.
Please note I am not knocking either Mission or Emerson, i'm just saying that hype is just that... hype, the real hard use knifemakers like Strider and Busse don't make outrageous unproven statements like that, they let their products speak for themselves.
 
Maybe it is "hype", but if it's true, I see nothing wrong with bragging about it.

After reading several articles on Mission knives in general, Mission knives do seem to be very tough indeed.

Also, although I'm not a SEAL groupie or wannabe, I do have confidence in the equipment they prefer, and they are issued the MPK, for whatever that is worth.

I have done some extensive searches, and I can't find any mention, anywhere, of a broken MPK or MPF, and that also says quite a bit.

Has anyone here on bladeforums ever managed to break or damage a Mission knife? Anyone know of anyone that has?

From all I have read Mission knives do seem to be worth the money and they do seem to live up to the hype, which is quite a bit more than can be said for a few other companies/knives.
 
Distilled down to the basics, the real question is:

Has anyone ever needed to send back a Mission knife for warranty work/repair?

While a lack of a positive reply to that question is not proof positive, I do think you could ask the same question about ANY other knife from ANY other company and get a positive reply, which does say quite a bit.
 
I said it before and I will say it again, GINSU knives are the tougest, sharpest bestest knives on the planet! Just watch there video/infomercial! :D
 
Ti certainly has it's advantages. Among them are lack of magnetic signature, light weight and corrosion resistance. As a blade steel for cutting and chopping however, one gives up much to acquire the three attributes aforementioned.

Mission does a real good job with Ti both in design and execution.Toughness? Much depends on how you define it. If not triggering a magnetic mine, resisting corrision in and around salt water and such defines tough then yes they are very tough. If, however, taking a beating in the field, cutting, slicing, chopping, prying, digging and the like defines tough, then no, they are not the toughest knives in the world. I do not know if Busse is either, but the Busse knives I have used are the toughest I have ever seen for those types of tasks.

A Caterpillar D-6 is "tough" for pulling stumps but run it down the interstate at top speed for a while and it will self-destruct. In other words, the intended mission (sorry) for the tool defines the success or failure of its design and execution.
 
Originally posted by MSmith
What is the definition of tough?

1. Has anyone ever seen a broken MPK?
2. How many knives can sit under seawater for many years and look brand new?
3. How many knives can withstand subarctic conditions even up to the climate of Mars?
4. How many knives can withstand being run over by a tank?
5. How many knives are non magnetic, and dont tell me talonite or stainless?
6. How many knives have the above properties and are still a very high quality spring material?
7. How many steel knives withstand bacteria attack?
8. How many knives can be field sharpened with a rock?

Missions knives are all of this. It sounds tough to me with all these properties and more. And dont forget they are almost half the weight of steel.
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1. Not me.
2. I would guess not any that were steel.
3. Probably all.
4. Any decent fixed blade. Tanks weigh a ton (ha ha) but don't exert as much pressure as a 100 pound woman in stilletto heels.
5. Stellite, although I can't think of a single good reason I would need a non-magnetic rambo knife.
6. dunno.
7. None of mine ever had an ear infection, or even caught the sniffles.
8. Hmmm, tough one. I would say ... all.

What kind of questions are these?
 
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