modern mountain man rifle

macgregor22 said:
Remington 700 in .270, good light rifle in a cartrage with a flat trajectory.
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I haven't waded into this, but I'm going to agree w/ you. ..on the plus side, it's fairly cheap to shoot and learning your rifle and being good w/ it makes the difference.
 
hi, the gun i carry most on my saddle in the mountains is my marlin 94 in 44/40 it can be loaded with anything from 160grain bullets to 300 grains, it will take most anything you want. now for larger game you got to get closer within 100 yards but for dear and anything smaller no problem to 200 yards with tailered handloads. the marlin 45/70 is another that i've taken alot of game with again with handloads you can go light with a 300grain or heavy with a 500 grain bullet which will flat put a elk down like nobodys business. but you need to really know your gun and spend alot of time on the range with it. of course thats true with any gun if you want to eat on what you shoot.
i also carry a pistol all the time when hunting in the mountains mostly horseback and i carry a ruger stainless bisley vaquero in 44/40 nice to have the same ammo as the rifle, and very accurate and quick. the bottle neck of the cartrige also feeds better than a straight walled case like the 45 or 44 and can be loaded just as hot in a strong gun. although the 45 will have the edge in bullet weight.

take it easy
cricke
 
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I took some pictures of the Remington model 141 that I am rehabing. This thing was nearly 100% covered in rust, there was a long spilt in the forearm and beaten bad like the buttstock.

I cleaned, reblued the metal, refinished the wood, and polished the innards. Its a new rifle. But I still am working on a feeding issue. So I haven't taken it to the range yet.

But my understanding the model 141 was designed for east coast thick woods deer hunting. So it should be suitable up here in the western Sierras. It can be taken down into two pieces via thumb screw. Although ammo is hard to find and expensive, I hear its plenty stout for big game short -medium range. I have a few 150 gr JSP to test when its working. And will give the 200 gr ammo a try as well.
 
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i guess my interpretation of a "modern mountain man rifle" would be a
marlin 1895 chambered in 45-70
 
yoz's friend said:
isnt it true that the 45-70 can be loaded down for small game also?
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I have used 410 shot shells in mine for small game--you need to hold off to the side a little because the rifling make it shoot a doughnut pattern...but having a few shot shells in your pocket does add a lot more versatility to your gun....Steve
 
For Canada the gun of choice has been a no brainer for 90 years ,the SMLE sporter.
A .303 Enfield is cheap incredibly durable ,the no4 has good iron sights ,it holds 10 Canada legal rounds,99% of other rifles are only legal for 5. It is light and handy especially when the full length military stock has been cut down like so many have. It is ubicutious and .303 is the 30-06 of Canada ,they have it at my favourite gas station this time of year.
They are very fast actions and while not quite mauser accurate are still a real long range rifle bullet.

The original scout rifle Jeff Cooper designed was inspired by the .303. He said the least important part of a scout was the forward mounted scope so long as it has good iron sights because it was supposed to be an intermediate range handy rifle.

You can get one for 100$ or if you are clever and shop around you can find a Parker hale custom no4 for well under 500$. It is like a fine English safari rifle built on the Enfield action with walnut stock ,custom PH barrel and a butter smooth action drilled for a PH scope mount. It has a 5 round flush mag but the 10 rounders fit fine.
Right now most Enfield collectors regard them as little more than a slightly less incompetent bubba rifle so they are very cheap. I learned to shoot on one and have always liked them. The bubbad No4 is a better SHTF rifle though because it can still be loaded with stripper clips but a PH no4 with good handloads is at least close to 1 MOA.
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Why get a hacked up enfield when you can have the real deal, an Enfield No.5 "Junlge Carbine"?
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Its light, handy, fast shooting, holds 10 .303 Brittish, takes strippers, accurate enough, and just incase you are feeling lucky it has ladder sights graduated out to 800 yards.
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J_Curd said:
We should go sheep hunting together :) You'd owe me a bottle of Kentucky finest and a hundred dollar bill after the gambling commenced :D
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You should go bear hunting with me. ;) :cool: :D I seem to vaguely remember some other people discussing this same thing a few years ago. :p

All jokes aside, that we can still discuss this, and that both calibers are still some of the most popular in the world is testament to the versatility and usefullness of either. Chris
 
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11x11x said:






I took some pictures of the Remington model 141 that I am rehabing. This thing was nearly 100% covered in rust, there was a long spilt in the forearm and beaten bad like the buttstock.

I cleaned, reblued the metal, refinished the wood, and polished the innards. Its a new rifle. But I still am working on a feeding issue. So I haven't taken it to the range yet.

But my understanding the model 141 was designed for east coast thick woods deer hunting. So it should be suitable up here in the western Sierras. It can be taken down into two pieces via thumb screw. Although ammo is hard to find and expensive, I hear its plenty stout for big game short -medium range. I have a few 150 gr JSP to test when its working. And will give the 200 gr ammo a try as well.
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What cartridge??
 
RescueRiley said:
for a do it all gun... not a rifle I'd take a rem 870 or a mossberg 500 in 12 gauge.. effective for small and large game, and defense
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I agree. I have two mossberg 500s, one for over 12 yrs. You can use low brass game loads for small game and birds, high brass loads for waterfowl and turkey. And I dought if many modern rifles have the knockdown of a 3" slug at short range. And a combo of slugs and 00 buckshot is a very effective defense load. I would include a shorter barrel with no choke and rifle sights for hunting with slugs and possibly a folding stock for defense if canadian laws permit it of course.
 
I don't know about Canada, but here in the States, the shortest barrel we can have without a SBS tag is 18.5". I replaced mine with a 20" barrel that has choke tubes and rifle sights (not ghost rings) on it. So for 1.5" more length than the shortest, I can have a true do-all gun.
 
*This* "mountain man" would look at a .22 like my 10/22 because I wouldn't know what to do with a deer or elk if I killed one. Squirrels and rabbits I can figure out. I'd also look to to my 870 Wingmaster for fowl. I might pick my M4 carbine but the post about an Enfield is intriguing too. I've got a proper Jungle Carbine and it certainly would be easy to carry and maintain. I don't think they're terribly accurate though.

I acquired a repro 1873 Winchester rifle when I was doing cowboy action shooting. I also picked up an 1866 carbine. Both shoot .45 Colt though so I'm not sure how good a round that would be for hunting and such past shorter ranges. Both are accurate and easy to handle though.

I think it would be between the shotgun or .22. The shotgun can do it all if you have the right round for the job.
 
I would opt for my M1 Garand. It's accurate, reliable and 8 rounds of 30.06 will get the job done:)
 
yoz's friend said:
if you where headed out to live in the mountains what would you bring for a rifle? im not talking about a shtf rifle im talking about a modern mountain man do-it-all rifle. for the scenerio lets say mountains of western canada.
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just for living off of?

probably a Marlin Model 60 .22 LR.

it's is terribly un-sexy, i know, but it works.

i can trap everything meaty that i need to eat, if it comes to that.

a hawk and long knife will get me everything else i could need in every conceiveable environment, especially if i screw up.

after a while, i'd have throwing sticks, lances, spears, atlatls, self-bows and arrows, as well as traps all over the place.

you can make a pretty good trap with a rifle, in fact.

the Inuit do that with bears.

vec
 
Interesting post Vec.

That's most of the reasons I don't pick a .22. It's really not needed for grocery getting, and even a .22 is a waste on small game. Traps and snares are better.

My choices tend to revolve around two legged critters and possible four legged defense. Things that are likely to kill me fast if not taken care of. Traps and such can take care of food, with hunting being secondary.

That's for prolonged living off the land. For a couple of weeks or a months. . .different story.
 
Cpl Punishment said:
I don't know about Canada, but here in the States, the shortest barrel we can have without a SBS tag is 18.5". I replaced mine with a 20" barrel that has choke tubes and rifle sights (not ghost rings) on it. So for 1.5" more length than the shortest, I can have a true do-all gun.
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In Canada we can have as short a barrel as we want as long as it's manufactured at that length if it's under 18.5". We can cut a long barrel down to 18" on a manually operated gun or 18.5" on a semiauto and still be non restricted. There is a company in B.C that was making 6 @ 8" bbl'd 870 copy's. I don't have one of those but I do have a 12" bbl'd single shot 12gwhich is great to carry.

My choice would be either a scout rifle in 30-06 or maybe .303 or a browning blr/ marlin 1895 in either .450 marlin, 444 marlin or 45/70. Whatever it is, it needs to be big enough to deal with grizzly/blackbear/Sasquatch.
 
old topic it seems, but i'd throw in my somewhat youthful opinion, that the only rifle id take would be the one im most comfortable shooting.. if i spent my whole life shooting a .22 theres no way you'd see me with a 30-06, and vice versa.
 
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