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The edge donsnt need to be the size of an atom to repel one. The amount of electrons on the edge will repel the electrons on the cutting surface (as long as the edge is harder than the material being cut) which separates the materials.

Well, yeah, and no... There's a few levels of scope involved here. Even when saying the edge separates the bonds of individual molecules, I think people are getting a little ahead of themselves, because much blunter knives can also cut material. It could have something to do with the pressure and compressive forces and is probably some type of thermal reaction that allows the region underneath the edge to become much more excited then the region surrounding it, allowing it to be pushed out of the way, and the rest of the material wedged apart in a mechanical function. Anyway, I'm just offering my own conjecture here, but I think it's much more of a mechanical operation ( planes and wedges ) that takes advantage of the extreme pressures created at the edge.

I think it's more likely a thermal reaction. That much pressure and compressive forces would definitely cause heat exchange, so maybe that just is indicative that the edge and pressure it's creating is actually exciting the material enough to break apart and generate heat... That in itself would have an interesting dynamic at the atomic level. I just don't seeing it having much to do with electrons repelling each other, because that's more along the lines of radiation, fission, fusion, etc. It's more likely to me that at an excited level, the electrons that form the bonds between the molecules become so excited that they cannot maintain, and they separate.

I've really never thought of an edge at this much of a scientific level before though. I wonder if anyone has actually done some real research into the science of a "cut". Is any matter actually "destroyed" (i.e. changed to something else through a thermal or other reaction ) or is it literally all just separated at the molecular level like is the general consensus?
 
I never said that I researched it. This is what i learned in my chemistry class last year, its just in THEORY.

I should change the word fact to Theory.


You applied elemetary chemistry to a physical chemistry scenario...

And please don't use the word theory...What you proposed, if anything, is just a hypothesis.
 
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Well, yeah, and no... There's a few levels of scope involved here. Even when saying the edge separates the bonds of individual molecules, I think people are getting a little ahead of themselves, because much blunter knives can also cut material. It could have something to do with the pressure and compressive forces and is probably some type of thermal reaction that allows the region underneath the edge to become much more excited then the region surrounding it, allowing it to be pushed out of the way, and the rest of the material wedged apart in a mechanical function. Anyway, I'm just offering my own conjecture here, but I think it's much more of a mechanical operation ( planes and wedges ) that takes advantage of the extreme pressures created at the edge.

I think it's more likely a thermal reaction. That much pressure and compressive forces would definitely cause heat exchange, so maybe that just is indicative that the edge and pressure it's creating is actually exciting the material enough to break apart and generate heat... That in itself would have an interesting dynamic at the atomic level. I just don't seeing it having much to do with electrons repelling each other, because that's more along the lines of radiation, fission, fusion, etc. It's more likely to me that at an excited level, the electrons that form the bonds between the molecules become so excited that they cannot maintain, and they separate.

I've really never thought of an edge at this much of a scientific level before though. I wonder if anyone has actually done some real research into the science of a "cut". Is any matter actually "destroyed" (i.e. changed to something else through a thermal or other reaction ) or is it literally all just separated at the molecular level like is the general consensus?


Are you guys serious...now we're talking about thermodynamics?!?!

Heat "reaction"?!?


in a nut shell: pressure = force/contact area, sharpening of a knife is to minimize the contact ares so even the minimal force can generate large amount of prssure.

The excessive physical force one applies becomes enormous amount of pressure on the edge of a knife and it splits the material apart, simple as is!

There's no magic heat reacation of electron repulsion...
 
Are you guys serious...now we're talking about thermodynamics?!?!

Heat "reaction"?!?


in a nut shell: pressure = force/contact area, sharpening of a knife is to minimize the contact ares so even the minimal force can generate large amount of prssure.

The excessive physical force one applies becomes enormous amount of pressure on the edge of a knife and it splits the material apart, simple as is!

There's no magic heat reacation of electron repulsion...
This^
 
Not in my house! Hate those stupid things with a vengeance! :grumpy:

Outside of my house, I've been carrying and using a serrated hawkbill (Spyderco Tasman Salt SE) that I've polished using a felt wheel loaded with Flitz. The serrations make it extremely toothy (ala a 10 and 24 grit finish depending on the scallop size) and the Flitz finish makes it very polished.

I use it for cutting whatever needs cutting and cardboard. The problem is that its simultaneous mixture of being extremely polished and extremely toothy has caused fluxes in the space time continuum that aren't always pleasant.

Sure, one time a being from the future who could levitate appeared from the future and asked me to sharpen his Kershaw JYD II pocketknife and Konosuke HD kitchen knife and that was very cool. One other time, though, and I was just opening a bag of navel oranges, a bunch of Sleestacks came out of nowhere and ate every last kibble in my cat's dish and that sucked.

sleestak1.jpg


FACT!

I tried to buy a bag of Naval Oranges last week (They were out of the Army Oranges) I asked for a bag of "innies" and they gave me "outties" - it was obvious to me this was an attempt at intra-service embarrassment so I asked them Polished or Toothy? They threw the oranges at me and called security.
Very stressful.:eek:

These are the two most rational posts in this thread. Well done, guys.
 
I am pretty good at sharpening. I can wave my knife around in the air and I can see streaks of light that are clearly energy releases from atoms being split. All my hair is falling out (radiation poisoning no doubt), but I think it is a fair trade off since I no longer need to search for those crazy batteries for my tac light (all my gear is luminescent now).

Next week I am getting some new strops...perhaps I can hack sub-atomic particles and generate a black hole or something? That would be so sweet! It would pretty much put an end to the other popular debate regarding taking a knife to a gun fight...My money is on a black hole generating knife!
 
This is starting to piss me off, Mods please lock this thread. Obviously anybody with less than 100000000 posts it a jackass that knows nothing at all. Do you feel better about yourselves now that you say a bunch of bullshit that sounds smart to prove me wrong. I used to like the community around here now it a bunch of intolerable assholes that rub it in your face when they think your wrong. I hope you all burn in hell.

Later. I'm not going to be on for a while. In the meantime why dont you all get a chemistry book, read it and grow up.
Ps I'm only 15 And fresh out of chemistry class with a B.
 
Easy fella.... dont take it personally.

The guys on this forum are mostly good.

If you set em up though, they will knock em down..... same thing happens on all internet forums.
 
This is starting to piss me off, Mods please lock this thread. Obviously anybody with less than 100000000 posts it a jackass that knows nothing at all. Do you feel better about yourselves now that you say a bunch of bullshit that sounds smart to prove me wrong. I used to like the community around here now it a bunch of intolerable assholes that rub it in your face when they think your wrong. I hope you all burn in hell.
Later. I'm not going to be on for a while. In the meantime why dont you all get a chemistry book, read it and grow up.
Ps I'm only 15 And fresh out of chemistry class with a B.


Nobody wants to rub nothing in your face...

If there's anything that causes the thread to be locked it'd be the highlited statement in your post.

Most folks here are nice, but seeing you wielding that big' o theory about atom people just want to tease.

Take it easy, man.
 
Well this is frickin hilarious. :D

Oh and just for facts sake the sharpest point ever achieved was 1 atom at the tip. It was accidental in nature, and electron microscope with a small gas leak. The gas slowly carried away atoms of the pointed lens thingy.
 
I like to eat pancakes and fart......... Sorry, but that seems as important as the thread.
 
Poor kid. Stuck on kid things and with a kid's attitude. Learned something new in class. I think he may be learning a far more important lesson in THIS class today.
 
Are you guys serious...now we're talking about thermodynamics?!?!

Heat "reaction"?!?


in a nut shell: pressure = force/contact area, sharpening of a knife is to minimize the contact ares so even the minimal force can generate large amount of prssure.

The excessive physical force one applies becomes enormous amount of pressure on the edge of a knife and it splits the material apart, simple as is!

There's no magic heat reacation of electron repulsion...
Duh, the point is: Why does the material split apart, not how. Just saying, "This here skinny edge split the material with pressure!" doesn't really answer everything. Sorry, but it just doesn't; you've to look at the "magic" principles of physics and chemistry to try to answer why that happens.

jglover, I don't think anyone was trying to talk down to you, but whatever, you apparently can't deal with having someone inform you that you're wrong so I'm not really interested.
 
Duh, the point is: Why does the material split apart, not how. Just saying, "This here skinny edge split the material with pressure!" doesn't really answer everything. Sorry, but it just doesn't; you've to look at the "magic" principles of physics and chemistry to try to answer why that happens.

jglover, I don't think anyone was trying to talk down to you, but whatever, you apparently can't deal with having someone inform you that you're wrong so I'm not really interested.

This was already answered in a very general sense; the "large amounts of pressure" break apart the intermolecular forces that hold material together.
 
Maybe members under 18 should have an identifying label next to their screen name. I'll bet most of the members here wouldn't have posted anything if they knew the OP was only 15.
 
This is starting to piss me off, Mods please lock this thread. Obviously anybody with less than 100000000 posts it a jackass that knows nothing at all. Do you feel better about yourselves now that you say a bunch of bullshit that sounds smart to prove me wrong. I used to like the community around here now it a bunch of intolerable assholes that rub it in your face when they think your wrong. I hope you all burn in hell.

Later. I'm not going to be on for a while. In the meantime why dont you all get a chemistry book, read it and grow up.
Ps I'm only 15 And fresh out of chemistry class with a B.

People tease each other, that's just life. You're going to need to learn not to take it personally. If this is the worst thing thing that happens to you this year then you're having a pretty good year.
 
Poor kid. Stuck on kid things and with a kid's attitude. Learned something new in class. I think he may be learning a far more important lesson in THIS class today.

haha lessons:
1. Guys like to pick on each other, and do so relentlessly.
2. Opinions are like farts; everyone loves their own and just want to share, but anyone else's farts are just gross. :barf:
 
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