Monterey Bay Knives, love?

I think what people don’t like is the communist ruling party and their ideology, politics and totalitarian rule and not the Chinese people as a whole. People do not want to prop up an evil regime like so many did for pre WW2 Nazi Germany.
 
I wanted the full size OG with the inset lock. Sadly they sold out before I could get one. Does anyone know who their maker is in China?
 
Owen K. said:
I'm another "china isn't cool guy." I don't care how magical thier product is, I'd rather support our guys.
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betzner said:
Just another "made in China" folder, like so, so many others. Nothing at all to set them apart.
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Posting negative comments about Chinese-made knives just isn't helpful. If this kind of issue really matters to you, and you really feel compelled to be an activist about it, then do your due diligence. Look into what actually shaped the current market circumstances. Look into which actions might actually do something to help and which actions are just spitting into the wind.

(I'll save you some time. It has everything to do with politics. This economic situation exists because of the policies of government over time. Effectively answering this situation will only happen via political action. Since this forum is not the place for that, please pack up the anti-Chinese rhetoric and go put your energy towards doing something that might actually help American manufacturing.)

Sonnydaze said:
I feel your pain. It would be wonderful if we could separate the fine knife builders from the country which is planning our demise.
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Mister Coffee said:
They are, indeed, planning our demise, and I fully expect that my grandchildren will find suitable employment in a Chinese work camp with a million uighurs, but, with regard to Monterey Bay Knives, I was just thinking that it must be hard for a small-to-medium shop to manufacture production knives without outsourcing, either inside the U.S. or outside. Spyderco started by having their knives made in Japan. Lon Humphrey Knives are manufactured by Bark River.
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As with the above, do your due diligence here. Is China really plotting our demise?!? Even if that was a thing, how would they accomplish it? It's the same issue as above and the answer is much closer to home. The people who are really "plotting our demise" have been right here the whole time, advancing the policies to get us there.

As I just read on another small company's FAQ earlier this evening: "We've attempted to produce high quality affordable production knives here in the USA, but it's unfortunately not possible in order to meet our price points for the customer..."
 
Chronovore said:
Posting negative comments about Chinese-made knives just isn't helpful. If this kind of issue really matters to you, and you really feel compelled to be an activist about it, then do your due diligence. Look into what actually shaped the current market circumstances. Look into which actions might actually do something to help and which actions are just spitting into the wind.

(I'll save you some time. It has everything to do with politics. This economic situation exists because of the policies of government over time. Effectively answering this situation will only happen via political action. Since this forum is not the place for that, please pack up the anti-Chinese rhetoric and go put your energy towards doing something that might actually help American manufacturing.)




As with the above, do your due diligence here. Is China really plotting our demise?!? Even if that was a thing, how would they accomplish it? It's the same issue as above and the answer is much closer to home. The people who are really "plotting our demise" have been right here the whole time, advancing the policies to get us there.

As I just read on another small company's FAQ earlier this evening: "We've attempted to produce high quality affordable production knives here in the USA, but it's unfortunately not possible in order to meet our price points for the customer..."
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On this, I wonder what US factory is available for makers to contract out with at all? What US companies offer to produce limited runs or production for knifemakers under the knifemaker's label? Getting them out at competitive prices is another story on top.

Or is the idea knifemakers grind away for years at customs and midtechs until they can afford a couple employees, then grind away like that many more years until maybe some day they can afford to start their own plant? From a quick look through Spyderco history, it seems that took Sal Glessler about 15 years between release of their first model and release of a domestic folder.

Meanwhile nowadays we have folks like Monterey Bay Knives, Ferrum Forge, and other US designers/makers doing what they can to raise money to increase their own production, and people shit on them for it. Back to Spyderco, even now they're using overseas factories and funneling the profit into increasing production in their domestic plant. Still, probably should shit on them for it and boycott the company.

Me personally, I don't trust anyone who even has a passport. Probably in China getting re-indoctrinated during the week and Al Qaida training camps learning bomb making on the weekend. Plus Monterey with MIIS, NPS, and DLI is considered one of the top areas in the country for foreign intelligence agents. MBK is most likely a con to trick military folks into debt buying knives, then exploited to get out classified intel.

But I am planning to risk the communism infection and get a Slayback soon. That looks like a really nice design, and therr aren't many folders with ZDP189 anymore. I would appreciate more pics and reviews on that one!
 
It really is funny to see so many criticisms of the results of capitalism misidentified as actually communist activity done to hurt us on purpose. Our things are now mainly made overseas, it's not a result of any individual's choice and it's not something that can or will change just because some of us are wrapped up in our national identity to the point of having no other notable personality traits.

If you have an issue with that, take it up with your senator and congressional rep. Not every single person who mentions a knife made in a country you identify as the real problem on a hobbyist forum.

I'm pretty sure the no politics rule is just completely ignored as it relates to attacks on China and specifically Chinese manufacturing and it doesn't lend to a good atmosphere here. It gets in the way of sharing useful information on build quality or design styles, and it leads to threads full of pointless comments that are antagonistic to the thread itself.
 
I learned about the EWC from Nick Shabazz. He did a very nice review of it. I'm impressed with how a folder can be made in such a way that a locking mechanism isn't a necessity. Slip joints can be annoying though, since they're not one-handed operation. But this? Best of both worlds! Hope to own an EWC one day.
 
Chronovore said:
As with the above, do your due diligence here. Is China really plotting our demise?!? Even if that was a thing, how would they accomplish it? It's the same issue as above and the answer is much closer to home. The people who are really "plotting our demise" have been right here the whole time, advancing the policies to get us there.
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They really aren't. We are codependents -- USA & China. China's reliance on the USA will shift as the standard of living rises and significantly more revenue is earned in-country. But that's a very long game. Right now, China is facing some significant financial challenges.
We can curse them for having attracted most of the world's manufacturing duties, but the USA & EU let it happen. And frankly, it's not a bad thing. They've upped the game on efficiency. They're also starting to be technology pioneers. They DO want to help solve the energy problem. We all have to work together. China is more of an asset than a detriment. I wish people would realize the folly of xenophobia...
That said, it is a good feeling to see USA made knife producers making good headway. I will tend to give them my business; I'd rather pay a little more for home built.
 
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